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The lesson for Republicans: They didn’t learn the lesson of 2006 (RINOs destroying the party)
Hot Air ^ | 10/14/2008 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 05/14/2008 6:43:50 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Ok. I’m eager to see it. Show me an example of anyone crawling out of the woodwork to extoll conservative principles....

Oh that’s right. Bob Barr just hopped up to save the day. Oops. No. He’s talking through Ron Pauls’ stinky socks claiming that isolationist cut-n-run libertarianism is what we need.

We couldn’t win in 1964 when the Young Conservative club was a big power on the Berkley campus.

You show me the upsurge of conservative values in kids that are going to bring us the next Reagan revolution! I’m eager to see them burn their Che Guevera shirts, revolt against Al Gore, etc.


41 posted on 05/14/2008 7:46:14 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: upsdriver
There will be other elections, we will take our party back.

You're right, there will be other elections and until then we are working on local and state level elections.

42 posted on 05/14/2008 7:47:31 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: processing please hold
I'm a big believer in term limits. That problem would be on the way to being solved.

Best time to buy an umbrella is BEFORE the deluge begins.

Horses, barn doors, all that! =)

43 posted on 05/14/2008 7:47:51 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
I'm really torn as well. I don't depend on the government for my happiness or for a job. I'll always work hard, show up on time and sober and that puts me ahead of 90 percent of the people who will benefit from a Obamalamadingdong presidency.

Having to listen to Republicans spew about stupid RINO cr#p will drive me crazy.

I just don't care anymore. Either way I'm paying more taxes, paying more for gas and put up with the talking heads telling me how we're in a "global" "mortage crisis/global warming/recession/depression/poisoned medicine/illegal alien invasion/black-brown-gay-transgender oppression due to racism/pandemic (insert virus)........ and of course the ever present israel against (insert 3rd world islamic sh#t hole country).

Screw it. I'm just going to hunker down and see how far the country goes down the toilet. I'll vote for conservatives in congress and locally.... as for President, who frickin cares? All three of the candidates are assh#les.

In fact I'd like it to be a tie and have the vote determined by the illegal alien voters that McCain/Clinton/Obamalamadingdong all want to import.

44 posted on 05/14/2008 7:51:36 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: sam_paine
I worked hard for Goldwater and suffered from the loss. I decided that maybe 25% of the voters are hard core Conservatives like me.
45 posted on 05/14/2008 7:53:10 PM PDT by Big Horn (I am bitter, I just want to eat my waffle.)
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To: Boagenes
They don't understand the anger and the fury from the base. They still don't see what has done this to the party.

They don't believe that conservatives as we know them are the base.

That's the disconnect.

They won't continue to lose. They'll just run left faster and faster. Bill Clinton 1992 is the Rockefeller RINO model they think will work. And that's where they're heaaded.

46 posted on 05/14/2008 7:53:20 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
“Show me an example of anyone crawling out of the woodwork to extol conservative principles....”

Ronald Reagan made himself the one choice for conservatives in 1980 by running against President Ford in 1976 - luckily, since Pres. Ford was an unelected incumbent, there was no stigma of disloyalty held against him.

That combination won't happen again in a generation - or maybe ever; conservatives had better start getting used to living in the wilderness, because there's no sign of any white knights showing up for the 2012 election, either.

47 posted on 05/14/2008 7:54:19 PM PDT by decal (Sign over DNC headquarters: Please Check Common Sense And Morals At The Door)
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To: moonman
John McCain and his buy-in to the ‘global warming’ theory really helps the Pubbies. NOT!

Agreed.

Not to mention his being bought and paid for, and stooging on behalf of...the worst foreign scum...the ethically-challenged French firm EADs. He went way, way, way out of his way to make sure that the DOD re-wrote those defense contract specs to favor outsourcing our defense production to EADs.

So complete is the incestuous relationship, that no fewer than three of their top lobbyists are on his campaign staff...taking "sabbaticals" from their day jobs. And they admit to spending $850,000 on lobbying...in just this last Fiscal Quarter. How much before? They also don't seem to count the millions they have put into their deal with Northrup Grumman to "front" for them on the deal. McCain appears to have sold out for cheap.

Meanwhile we get a plane which consumes 24% more fuel, flunked outright five of the eight critical survivability criteria...and oh yeah, costs $8 billion more to procure...before the bribed-off DOD started playing accounting games to conceal that fact.

48 posted on 05/14/2008 7:54:32 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"The lack of motivation comes from a disgust with a Republican Party that still hasn’t learned why it lost the majority in 2006. They lost those mid-term elections not because voters stopped supporting conservative principles, but because the House GOP stopped supporting conservative principles."

I saw Ann Coulter on tv tonight, she said, lets start right here, "when juan mccain gets beat they will say it is because of the conservatives. They will never say it is because mccain is a liberal."

49 posted on 05/14/2008 7:55:38 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: sam_paine
Paul might have been wrong on the war, but he did bring in new voters and bedrock conservative principles into the GOP.
50 posted on 05/14/2008 7:58:35 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Bipartisanship: Two wolves and the American people deciding what's for dinner)
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To: Big Horn
I worked hard for Goldwater and suffered from the loss.

God bless you for fighting the good fight, and hard.

Life is just a long succession of damned unfair disasters punctuated by glimmers of hope.

Goldwater and Reagan were two of those...but the fact is, as Russell Kirk well described....the natural 'true' conservtive is a TERRIBLE politian, and is destined to be constantly on his heels from progressivism.

I devour books on Goldwater and that period like I relish reading Civil War accounts. Gosh as I read those things I find myself feeling abused like a Cubs fan. I can see where they almost win, but, of course, I know the tragedy happens over and over again every time.

51 posted on 05/14/2008 7:59:49 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Boagenes

Did we ever really have a good candidate? I didn’t care for any of them.
Maybe Hunter. However, anyone but Mclame.

When the crap boils up in the near future, I would just as soon have a candidate with a (D) to blame for all eternity and not a (R) following their name.


52 posted on 05/14/2008 8:00:21 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (I heard it on the grapevine and saw it in the paper, so it must be true.)
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To: sam_paine

I understand what you’re saying just let me add this. If senator X is elected and he goes left, he’ll be voted out next term election and then senator Y can come in and clean up the mess X left in his wake. Eventually that barn door will get closed and hopefully the libs will be stopped from entering it adding more misery to our country.


53 posted on 05/14/2008 8:02:01 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: decal

It’s even worse than you say. Reagan was a big player in politics before 1960...and he was a star at Goldwater’s nomination I believe.

It takes a long time for a giant to grow.

And I don’t even see any beanstalks right now, much less budding giants.


54 posted on 05/14/2008 8:02:48 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Now we know how Ronald Reagan felt when he said he didn't leave the RAT Party, the RAT Party left him.

The problem is we don't have anywhere to go.

55 posted on 05/14/2008 8:04:22 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (Could pacifists exist if there weren't people brave enough to go to war for their right to exist?)
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To: sam_paine
I don’t even see any beanstalks right now, much less budding giants.

The seeds are being planted with this election. Many conservatives are just now coming to terms with the fact that we are not important to the Republican party.

In hindsight, I think we made a mistake in tying our future to any political party.

56 posted on 05/14/2008 8:11:11 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (When you discover rats in your house, you only have two options - fumigate or tolerate.)
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To: pgkdan

You are not going to find and produce that talent in six months.

That’s kind of the whole point, we need to get cracking at developing conservative base politicians, because they aren’t going to come out of thin air.


57 posted on 05/14/2008 8:19:57 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: indylindy
The RINO clowns never learn. They are content in the monority.

We used to call them "Bob Michel" republicans, after a GOP senator who spent a whole long career as minority leader and never so much as caused a ripple while the 'rats did whatever they pleased. But he was a happy healthy and wealthy man, who obviously enjoyed his dhimmi status. No doubt he had many good friends among the 'rat delegation.

58 posted on 05/14/2008 8:20:42 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Boagenes
The party needs to be rid of the RINOS.

I'm afraid RINOs are the party. Big spending, self agrandizing, power hungry, socialists are the Republican party. They have become the true Republicans, and one of their kind will carry the Republican banner in the next presidential election. It has become silly to call liberal Republicans RINO's when they are, in fact, the heart of the Republican party.

59 posted on 05/14/2008 8:24:51 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: upsdriver
John Boehner, the House Minority Leader, issued this warning: Our presidential nominee, Senator McCain, is an agent of change; candidates who hope to succeed must show that they’re willing and able to join McCain in a leading movement for reform.

A complete do-nothing with no agenda, no leadership value, no idea what the hell is going on out here. It's true, the bosses of the GOP like Boehner either don't get it, or get it but don't care.

60 posted on 05/14/2008 8:26:02 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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