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Ron Paul Hopes to Crash McCain's Party
ABC News ^ | 5/13/08 | Marcus Barum

Posted on 05/14/2008 8:51:18 PM PDT by advance_copy

Sen. John McCain, taking a victory lap as the presumptive Republican nominee, happily poked fun at his only remaining opponent.

Asked during an appearance on "The Daily Show" last week which of the two Democratic nominees he preferred to run against in the general election, McCain quipped, "Ron Paul."

But Paul might get the last laugh during McCain's coronation at the party's convention in early September.

McCain's nomination may be certain, but he finds himself pressured by different wings of the conservative movement -- from the libertarians and the anti-war activists, to social conservatives and evangelical voters.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008rncconvention; mccain; mnehrlinghateronpaul; mnehrlinghatespaul; paulestinians; ronpaul; rontards; scampi; truthers
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"...the way men live is so far removed from the way they ought to live that anyone who abandons what is for what should be pursues his downfall rather than his preservation..." -- Niccolò Machiavelli

FReepers, the only candidate who can defeat Obama is John McCain. This is a fact. Support McCain for President because:

1. His appointments to the courts will be better than Obama's
2. He will not raise taxes as Obama will do.
3. He will not abandon the mission in our war against terrorists
4. He is committed to reducing spending and eliminating earmarks

We must support John McCain because, if we don't, an anti-American international socialist will become President of the United States.
1 posted on 05/14/2008 8:51:19 PM PDT by advance_copy
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To: advance_copy

#1 is iffy at best. He hates conservatives.


2 posted on 05/14/2008 8:52:53 PM PDT by DEADROCK
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To: advance_copy

So do I get to be the first one to respond by saying something like “a pro-global warming, economically ignorant international socialist if we elect J. Sidney McPain?”


3 posted on 05/14/2008 8:53:31 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (DU: Standing athwart history yelling "$#@$# you mother$#@$#er!")
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To: advance_copy
McCain was my 2nd to last choice (R) above Paul. It sucks. I generally vote against the dem policies. They need to be stopped more than any of my personal agendas need to be advanced.
4 posted on 05/14/2008 8:56:28 PM PDT by allmost
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To: advance_copy
Yep. Just like all the things we were promised with George Bush II...DEFINITELY the LESSER OF TWO EVILS.

In 2008, things are just fine and dandy for our Republic, arent they? Our country has been able to move away from socialism and nanny state and huge taxes and broken borders and political correctness and sellout deals with the North Koreans and Palis, for the last seven years. All because it had an (R) after it's name. Heaven forbid those Dems win. They will be ..... WORSE!

5 posted on 05/14/2008 8:57:20 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Your Free To Vote 4 McCain. I Won't. I Don't Want To Hear Your Gripes Thru His 4 Years of RINO-ism!)
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To: advance_copy

McCain’s ‘party’ has already been crashed.


6 posted on 05/14/2008 8:57:43 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Just like all the things we were promised with George Bush II...DEFINITELY the LESSER OF TWO EVILS.


7 posted on 05/14/2008 8:58:56 PM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: advance_copy

All that is true, but will you allow us to hate the man because he agrees with obama more then he stand up as his own man?

The fact is, there is not a dimes worth a difference between the two.


8 posted on 05/14/2008 8:59:25 PM PDT by edcoil
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To: KoRn
Yep, this election is an opportunity for Non-of-the-Above to win by a landslide.
9 posted on 05/14/2008 9:00:04 PM PDT by WesternPacific (I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils!)
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To: DEADROCK
“#1 is iffy at best. He hates conservatives.”

Right, because Obama’s judges will be so conservative. Hey, by the way, I have a bridge I'd like to show you.

10 posted on 05/14/2008 9:00:13 PM PDT by jpf
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To: advance_copy

I agree.


11 posted on 05/14/2008 9:00:41 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ( Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts.)
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To: advance_copy

More of the same.Mcnutts does not agree with conservatives and I dont vote for moonbats of either party.Goodluck with mcquig.


12 posted on 05/14/2008 9:03:13 PM PDT by imahawk (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: edcoil

“The fact is, there is not a dimes worth a difference between the two.”

Spare us, you’re kidding yourself.


13 posted on 05/14/2008 9:03:20 PM PDT by jpf
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To: Rennes Templar

I see the Duncan Hunter and Alan Keyes crowd is up late. Do you seriously want to live under four to eight years of Barry Hussein Obama?

To say there is no difference between the two is a damn lie. The choice is pretty clear for this Reagan conservative.

Who would Reagan vote for?


14 posted on 05/14/2008 9:06:39 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"Yep. Just like all the things we were promised with George Bush II...DEFINITELY the LESSER OF TWO EVILS."

1) During the Bush Administration Libya gives up its nuclear weapons program.

2) During the Bush Administration the black market from Pakistan led by A.Q.Kahn for nuclear weapons technology is broken up.

3) During the Bush Administration North Korea begins dismantling their plutonium enrichment reactors.

4) During the Bush Administration Israel and the U.S.A. destroy Syria's nuclear weapons enrichment reactors.

5) During the Bush Administration, Saddam Hussein who said quite clearly while in jail awaiting his trial that he would have had the U.N. sanctions broken and be in full production of WMDs within a year. That would be the years 2004 - 2005 approximately that Saddam would have been re-armed with WMDs. It now goes without saying the obvious that Saddam will not be getting nuclear weapons anytime soon. Nor will he be directly funding and training the terror group 'Islamic Jihad' which is al-Qaeda and whom blew up two U.S. embassies. (see the recent: Iraqi Perspectives Project).

6) During the Bush Administration the U.S.A. has nuclear weapon ambitious Iran pinned in on both sides from Afghanistan and Iraq which is pure strategic genius.

Under Clinton the countries Pakistan and India successfully test nuclear weapons and North Korea begins plutonium enrichment .

Thank your GWB and Bush family! The world is indeed safer.

15 posted on 05/14/2008 9:08:20 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Patrick1

Ron Paul


16 posted on 05/14/2008 9:08:48 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: Old Sarge

I think McCain might be more actionable on the border. One way or another something will get done it seems.


17 posted on 05/14/2008 9:09:03 PM PDT by allmost
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To: pennboricua

Not a chance.


18 posted on 05/14/2008 9:10:02 PM PDT by jpf
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To: WesternPacific
"Yep, this election is an opportunity for Non-of-the-Above to win by a landslide."

I believe you are right. With the division in the democrat party, and McCain representing republicans, I believe the right 3rd party candidate COULD win this election. They would need allot of money, and would need to craft the right message, but I believe it could be done, and could attract many conservative Republicans AND Reagan type democrats.

19 posted on 05/14/2008 9:10:10 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: pennboricua

Right, and Alan Keyes could be elected President and we look forward to a visit by the tooth fairy.


20 posted on 05/14/2008 9:10:48 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: jpf

I do not believe he would vote for either of the other liberals.


21 posted on 05/14/2008 9:10:56 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: avacado
And, during the Bush administration, my taxes went down. Thank you Dubya. I like paying lower taxes.

If McCain beats Obama, you will not be paying as much in taxes
22 posted on 05/14/2008 9:11:43 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: advance_copy
FReepers, the only candidate who can defeat Obama is John McCain. This is a fact. Support McCain for President because:

1. His appointments to the courts will be better than Obama's 2. He will not raise taxes as Obama will do. 3. He will not abandon the mission in our war against terrorists 4. He is committed to reducing spending and eliminating earmarks

We must support John McCain because, if we don't, an anti-American international socialist will become President of the United States.

Nice try. McCain is an international socialist and we already are nearly a socialist country. Quoting Machiavelli to appeal to our moral principles might not be the best idea.

I'll never vote for McCain and neither will any principled conservative.

This will be worse than Dole in 1996.

23 posted on 05/14/2008 9:11:45 PM PDT by Swordfished
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To: GOP_Raider
Although I agree with you, I have a solution.

We can not change the republican party. We keep getting worse than the last when we let the repubs pick their candidates.

I have therefore come to believe that the only people who can clean the republican party of it rinos and other idiots are the democrats.,

Let the dims have it for 4 years. Let them run the repubs out of town.

Then we start over.

Of course, we will have to listen to those who say that the dims will ruin the country.

So I ask: Who signed the gasahol bill? What is the difference between McCain on drilling off the coast of NC, SC and FL as well as ANWAR and the dims?

What is the difference on global warming?

What is the difference on taxes? (Not what he says, what the record says).

What is the difference in McCain and the dims regarding big oil? Pharmaceuticals?

The only difference that counts is in regard to Iraq. That is important, but the results of pulling out will be so catastrophic that I don't think the dims will dare.

Also I point out that this country has survived the Great Depression WWII, the Korean War, Vietnam, Carter and the two Clinton's.

We will survive any of these three. But if we are ever going to have a conservative Republican Party, it will only cone when we let the present crowd go. That can best be accomplished by voting only for those who are conservative and refusing to vote for those who are not.

I plan to vote. I will mark my ballot one by one, leaving the president blank, one of my senators blank, etc., on down the line.

Flame me if you like, I have voted republican for more years than most of you have lived. My credentials as a conservative are as good as anyone's and better than most.

And I have had enough.

24 posted on 05/14/2008 9:11:45 PM PDT by woodbutcher
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To: advance_copy
FReepers, the only candidate who can defeat Obama is John McCain.

I hate to break it to you, but McCain's got about as much chance as I do of beating Obama (or Hillary for that matter). The way things are going I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if McCain actually comes out and endorses Obama.

25 posted on 05/14/2008 9:13:00 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: advance_copy
2. He will not raise taxes as Obama will do.

Read his lips.

26 posted on 05/14/2008 9:13:21 PM PDT by pupdog
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To: pennboricua

“I do not believe he would vote for either of the other liberals.”

Gerald Ford was MUCH more liberal than McCain and Reagan campaigned for him!

Not to mention that he campaigned for McCain also.


27 posted on 05/14/2008 9:13:21 PM PDT by jpf
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To: Swordfished

I hope you like paying more taxes. Because that’s what you will do if McCain does not beat Obama.


28 posted on 05/14/2008 9:13:49 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: woodbutcher

John McCain believes the United States of America is worth defending and Barry Obama doesn’t. That is good enough for me to vote for McCain regardless of how many silly polar bears he wants to save.


29 posted on 05/14/2008 9:14:24 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: advance_copy

There just are not any good candidates running this year. It’s a vast wasteland.


30 posted on 05/14/2008 9:15:18 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: advance_copy

1. maybe but not by much
2. he wont, he didn’t vote for GWB tax cuts
3. again maybe, but he wants to close Gitmo and stop water boarding
4. doubt it since he is on this global warming hoax


31 posted on 05/14/2008 9:15:28 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: advance_copy
U must be a young’en....the lesser of 2 evils leads ya to evil....U be in charge this time!
32 posted on 05/14/2008 9:15:31 PM PDT by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: advance_copy

You might also mention that he will not gut our military as Obama will (as stated in a campaign video of Obama’s that was posted by his campaign on YouTube).


33 posted on 05/14/2008 9:15:41 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: jpf

Back then the liberal Republicans were the moderate Republicans of today.


34 posted on 05/14/2008 9:16:55 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: advance_copy
We must support John McCain because, if we don't, an anti-American international socialist will become President of the United States.

I do not trust the dislikable old RINO relic any more than I trust ANYONE on this forum who tells me who I MUST support. That is a mighty high horse you rode into town on.

35 posted on 05/14/2008 9:17:02 PM PDT by Biblebelter (If the big blue states got to choose the Republican nominee, I say let them elect him in the fall)
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To: advance_copy
OK, I've been arguing this for a while here, so I'm going to make this clear to those who really are earnest about trying to make this case.

In order for me to have any love of McCain at all, I need to see a reason that is based on something else other than who he isn't. Show me his voting record. Show me his activities. Show me his words that didn't come around one of the times he was running for president. Show me something that doesn't take the form "Well, at least he isn't X".

I've had it with bogeyman rationale. Focus on the positive. Show me what is so great about John McCain. I've looked and don't see anything, but maybe I haven't looked hard enough, which is possible given how much there is to ever know about a man.

So you have the floor. Prove your case.

36 posted on 05/14/2008 9:17:10 PM PDT by pupdog
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To: SoldierDad
You might also mention that he will not gut our military as Obama will (as stated in a campaign video of Obama’s that was posted by his campaign on YouTube).

Worth repeating, in bold.
37 posted on 05/14/2008 9:17:20 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: advance_copy
"And, during the Bush administration, my taxes went down. Thank you Dubya. I like paying lower taxes."

Yep, I too am fond of keeping more of my paycheck. I keep $4k more per year of my paycheck. Also Under GWB I was able to refi my home to a lower interest rate and knocked off $80K that I owed on my mortgage. That ain't peanuts!

38 posted on 05/14/2008 9:17:34 PM PDT by avacado
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To: pupdog

Think about the troops. Do you want their Commander-in-Chief to be Obama?


39 posted on 05/14/2008 9:18:28 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: pennboricua

Whatever, Reagan would be backing McCain not Paul.


40 posted on 05/14/2008 9:18:52 PM PDT by jpf
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To: advance_copy

McCain will fight Islamo Fascism. There you go, the case is made.


41 posted on 05/14/2008 9:18:53 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: svcw
"2. he wont, he didn’t vote for GWB tax cuts"

**sigh**

Because the tax cuts did NOT come with provisions to REDUCE spending!


42 posted on 05/14/2008 9:19:27 PM PDT by avacado
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To: jpf

and I own 2 bridges...Wanna trade????....DA!

that would be...Dbmu sas to u..


43 posted on 05/14/2008 9:19:51 PM PDT by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: Patrick1

Do you want a President that was endorsed by Hamas?


44 posted on 05/14/2008 9:20:03 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: advance_copy

I saw him on the Fox News Network, amusing fellow - reminds me of a Bernie Sanders of the Isolationist Right. Worked up, crusty pale faces who need to smoke a hookah full of pot to mellow out./Just Asking - seoul62......


45 posted on 05/14/2008 9:20:09 PM PDT by seoul62
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To: svcw

Yes, McCain voted against the Bush tax cuts as they were then written on that bill. But, did you pay any attention to his reason for voting against those tax cuts? He voted not against the cuts themselves, but he voted against the bill because there were no provisions for cutting spending. I happen to agree that if we are going to have these tax cuts, we also must cut spending, especially the pork. Do you have a problem with this concept?


46 posted on 05/14/2008 9:20:38 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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Whatever, Reagan would be backing McCain not Paul

I highly doubt that. I'm not even sure he would be a Republican, and you can quote me on that.

47 posted on 05/14/2008 9:20:38 PM PDT by pupdog
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To: Patrick1

Duncan Hunter:’)


48 posted on 05/14/2008 9:21:42 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: advance_copy
Reagan would be considered a huge RINO by today’s standards.

• As Governor Reagan signed into law the nations first No Fault Divorce Laws. Thes laws swept the nation and contributed in the break up of the American Family. "No-fault" divorce was pioneered in the United States by the state of California when Governor Ronald Reagan signed into law the Family Law Act of 1970 on September 4, 1969

• As Governor he also signed into law the right for women to have abortions. 1967 The Therapeutic Abortion Act

• 1986 As President he signed the only amnesty ever granted to illegals.

• As President he made the Federal Government twenty per cent larger .In 1981, the federal government spent $678 billion; in 1989 it spent $1.144 trillion.

• In 1982 alone, he signed into law not one but two major tax increases. The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act (TEFRA) raised taxes by $37.5 billion per year and the Highway Revenue Act raised the gasoline tax by another $3.3 billion. In 1983, Reagan signed legislation raising the Social Security tax rate.

• 1985 raised taxes yet again. Even the Tax Reform Act of 1986

• 1988 appears to be the only year of the Reagan presidency, other than the first, in which taxes were not raised.

49 posted on 05/14/2008 9:22:10 PM PDT by NoLibZone (The Huge Demonstrations by Illegals in 2006 prove they have more of the Spirit of 76 then we do)
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To: pupdog

Who would want to quote something so silly.


50 posted on 05/14/2008 9:22:39 PM PDT by Patrick1
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