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Broaching That Other Off-Limits Obama Topic
American Thinker ^ | 5-15-08 | Marc Sheppard

Posted on 05/14/2008 10:50:28 PM PDT by smoothsailing

May 15, 2008

Broaching That Other Off-Limits Obama Topic

By Marc Sheppard

When it comes to Barack Obama, only one subject infuriates the swooning mainstream media more than his father's race -- and that's his father and stepfather's religion. Why, the very mention of Barack's early Islamic training -- or even his Muslim middle name -- has become more sacrosanct a PC no-no than disclosing the race of a non-white crime suspect...

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TOPICS: Editorial; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obama; obamatruthfile
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1 posted on 05/14/2008 10:50:28 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

End the controversy by eating a ham samich on camera.


2 posted on 05/14/2008 11:00:07 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: smoothsailing
 

3 posted on 05/14/2008 11:01:54 PM PDT by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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To: Walkingfeather
End the controversy by eating a ham samich on camera.

as if that would do it

4 posted on 05/14/2008 11:03:53 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: smoothsailing

Yeah, I don’t believe the “Barack is a Muslim” BS, but the potbellied peasants in swing districts in WV, OH, and PA will. Score one for McCain.


5 posted on 05/14/2008 11:06:16 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: Walkingfeather
End the controversy by eating a ham samich on camera.

Pork sausage doesn't count?

6 posted on 05/14/2008 11:07:58 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: smoothsailing

I don’t think a guy who spent his teen years getting high was ever a serious Muslim. If he claims to have become a Christian, fine, I’ll take his word for it (though what kind of “Christianity” Rev. Wright introduced him to is worth discussing). But the big unspoken issue is how this all will play in the Muslim world. Right now most people in Islamic countries think he is a Muslim. Once it becomes widely known he is an apostate (a Muslim who rejects Islam) what is going to be the reaction? Muslims are allowed to have dealing with Christians, but not apostates. They must be put to death. What happens then?


7 posted on 05/14/2008 11:26:38 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: Clemenza
the potbellied peasants in swing districts in WV, OH, and PA

You mean "those clingers', don't you?

8 posted on 05/14/2008 11:26:51 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (It takes a father to raise a child.)
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To: Hugin
What happens then?

Why, then it's

Springtime for Mohammad, and the Taliban...


9 posted on 05/14/2008 11:28:21 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (It takes a father to raise a child.)
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To: smoothsailing

B. Hussein Obama is a Muslim? Who would have guessed?


10 posted on 05/14/2008 11:30:42 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: smoothsailing; All
Why don't we turn the MSM's deification of Obama into an opportunity to permanently de-claw the IRS?

This post (<-click), while addressing taxes, helps to explain why government "leaders" like Obama are actually in contempt of the Constitution that they have sworn to defend, foolishly following in the footsteps of FDR's dirty federal spending politics. In fact, the article referenced below shows that Obama is the #1 federal spending proposer in the Senate for '08; Clinton is #2.

Obama, a big-shot federal spender
The people need to reconnect with the Founder's division of federal and state government powers. The people then need to wise up to the major problem that the federal government is not operating within the restraints of the federal Constitution, particularly where constitutionally unauthorized federal spending is concerned.

The bottom line is that the people need to send big-shot, Constitution-ignoring federal spenders like Obama home as opposed to trying to send people like him to the Oval Office. The people need to get in the faces of the feds, demanding a stop to constitutionally unauthorized federal spending while appropriately lowering federal taxes - or get out of DC.

11 posted on 05/14/2008 11:31:48 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Gondring

Wow. That link took me right to pop-up city....


12 posted on 05/14/2008 11:32:14 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Gondring

What kind of crap site is that, anyway?


13 posted on 05/14/2008 11:33:26 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Clemenza

“Yeah, I don’t believe the “Barack is a Muslim” BS”.

You know what? Virtually all the media (on both sides of the fence) always say this disclaimer as well. But the more time goes by and unsettling facts come out, I have to say that, while I don’t KNOW that he is, I also don’t know that he isn’t. (His repeated professing to be a “devout Christian” certainly aren’t reinforced by what we now know of his “spiritual mentor” Jeremiah Wright and his lunatic church doctrine. I DO know that the documented facts of his (chosen) associates/affiliations AND enthusiastic endorsements of many high-profile America-haters and terrorist leaders worldwide are STRONG enough reason to do all we can to prevent him from seizing the most powerful office on earth.


14 posted on 05/14/2008 11:40:27 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: smoothsailing

And now for something completely different:


15 posted on 05/15/2008 12:46:45 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (It takes a father to raise a child.)
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To: smoothsailing

Off limits to a bunch of pansies.That wont be the case with the rest of us “clingers”.


16 posted on 05/15/2008 1:08:05 AM PDT by imahawk (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Hugin
Muslims are allowed to have dealing with Christians, but not apostates. They must be put to death. What happens then?

His vice president inherits the Oval Office while the First Spouse seeks out new interns, both happy that they haven't lost their touch in the removal of those who get in their way./tin foil hat removed

17 posted on 05/15/2008 1:13:40 AM PDT by skr (I serve a risen Savior!)
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To: Lancey Howard
I was leaning more toward a Marxist than a Mussi. Amen.
18 posted on 05/15/2008 2:08:15 AM PDT by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: Amendment10

Tea party anyone? Amen.


19 posted on 05/15/2008 2:09:31 AM PDT by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: llandres

Jeremiah Wright himself was a Muslim before finding that the paycheck was better in a Christian denomination. He was originally a Black Muslim (and is still a friend of Louis Farrakhan), and then brought his black nationalist message into this “church,” which of course is part of an ultra-liberal denomination where any garbage is ok as long as it’s leftwing. That’s hardly a conversion to Christianity. If anything, Wright’s “church” was a sort of syncretist effort combining Black Muslim terminology and beliefs with the “Jesus as radical black nationalist prophet” nonsense that is not at all incompatible with Islam (which does regard Jesus as a prophet).

So when Barry became a member of Wright’s “church,” he certainly didn’t go very far from Islam.


20 posted on 05/15/2008 2:35:37 AM PDT by livius
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21 posted on 05/15/2008 3:24:05 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: Gondring; Walkingfeather

Obama would look you straight in the eye, eating a ham sammich, wearing a flag lapel pin and holding a shotgun and say, “God bless America” and “Thank you Jesus” if his handlers asked him to, but that don’t make it so.


22 posted on 05/15/2008 4:08:01 AM PDT by Sender ("Why is it that I can't just eat my waffle?" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: smoothsailing

The media trashed Romney over his religion, but said NOTHING about Obama’s dalliance with the middle-eastern cult. The media are 100% biased.


23 posted on 05/15/2008 4:18:17 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Salamander

Exactly.


24 posted on 05/15/2008 4:23:08 AM PDT by livius
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To: smoothsailing
or even his Muslim middle name

Yeah, We were fooled too. My Catholic friend Barack and my Jewish friend Obama had no idea of his Muslim heritage until we learned of his middle name.

25 posted on 05/15/2008 4:35:07 AM PDT by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: gakrak

This ‘Obama is a Muslim’ thing dumbs down an electoral process even lower than it already is (and it already is “reach up to scratch a pregnant ant’s belly” low).
There are a million reasons for conservatives to oppose Obama. Let’s stick to the issues.

BTW, choosing a leader because Middle East Muslims would or would not like him/her is one of the dumbest reasons I can think of. Why give them any say over anything? If something about Duncan Hunter (or Fred Thompson or John McCain or whomever) would possibly offend Muslims, would that cause you not vote for him? Stupid!


26 posted on 05/15/2008 5:02:25 AM PDT by MoreGovLess (If Hillary wins in November, blame Rush!)
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To: smoothsailing

Obama could muddy up the water by changing his name to Osama George “Icepick Trotsky” Washington Obama-Kennedy.


27 posted on 05/15/2008 5:05:51 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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To: llandres
Bingo! There is something so unknowable about this man, so off.

I do think he learned the Muslim faith as a child in Indonesia, and that he lived in a Muslim household. Barry's mom was an avowed atheist, as were the grandparents who raised him after Mom sent him away at aged 9 yrs.

The CAIR mouthpiece, Ibrham Hooper, stated that the intent of Islam in American was to have the crescent flag fly over the White House. He said this in the ‘90s when the idea seemed laughable. I am not laughing today.

28 posted on 05/15/2008 5:07:58 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
The media trashed Romney over his religion, but said NOTHING about Obama’s dalliance with the middle-eastern cult. The media are 100% biased.

That's because followers of Romney's religion tend to be supporters of traditional American values and of America itself. That's why he was trashed.

29 posted on 05/15/2008 5:27:16 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: Steely Tom

I agree. And Huckabee was doing McCain’s dirty work.


30 posted on 05/15/2008 5:32:36 AM PDT by Jane Austen (Boycott the Bahamas!)
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To: smoothsailing

More than a Muslim middle name...

Barak was the name of the horse that the prophet Mohammed supposedly leapt into heaven on...


31 posted on 05/15/2008 5:33:28 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: llandres
“Yeah, I don’t believe the 'Barack is a Muslim' BS."

I don't know what to believe!

His sister is quoted by the NY Times as saying, ""My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim."

I assume Maya thinks of her brother as a member of her family?

And Obama recited the Shahada for the NY Times' Kristof, who described the recitation as "with a first-class [Arabic] accent."

I suppose it's easy for Obama to remember the Shahada for the 35 years since he left Indonesia -- and in Arabic -- especially since he believes the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth."

The fact that Obama can recall the Shahada after 35 years and the fact that he believes that the daily call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth" say that those Muslim prayers run through his head often -- what does that make him?

32 posted on 05/15/2008 5:56:06 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: RedEyeJack

And the name of the jackass this country will slide to hell on.


33 posted on 05/15/2008 5:56:30 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: Beckwith

“what does that make him?”

Hazardous.


34 posted on 05/15/2008 5:59:48 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: livius
So when Barry became a member of Wright’s “church,” he certainly didn’t go very far from Islam.

And he never got baptized anywhere, by anyone, at anytime, either.
35 posted on 05/15/2008 6:03:24 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: Clemenza

Technically as the son of a muslim he is a muslim. And he was listed on paperwork as a muslim although his campaign expressed that the paperwork was wrong but could not explain “how” the error occurred.

He came to Jesus through Pastor Wright, a former muslim who remains in touch with the Nation of Islam. Does his church have much of a Christian message? That is except that Jesus was killed by rich Europeans, “y’know, Eye-talians!”?


36 posted on 05/15/2008 7:01:58 AM PDT by weegee (Vote NO on Marxism in 2008.)
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To: Walkingfeather
End the controversy by eating a ham samich on camera.

Back in April he deliberately ate some big slices of ham with eggs right in front of the media. He did it a couple of other times as well (once was enough, more than that and it's not very classy).

It does raise an interesting question though - while Obama maybe a born-again Christian (belonging to a nutty church), because his father at one time was a Muslim before renouncing it, some Muslims consider Obama to have been born a Muslim and as far as they are concerned, for somebody born to a Muslim to become a born-again Christian, that is worse than murder and is punishable by death. Makes you wonder how they would act towards the US if he becomes President.
37 posted on 05/15/2008 7:02:21 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: MoreGovLess

Can we bring up the Communist influence in Barack’s household instead then?


38 posted on 05/15/2008 7:04:18 AM PDT by weegee (Vote NO on Marxism in 2008.)
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To: Clemenza

Are you calling me a potbellied peasant? I believe that he is and I am not from either of those states you mention. You sound like a Baaarack supporter.


39 posted on 05/15/2008 7:09:50 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: smoothsailing
Liberal elites to questioners of His Highness King Barak:

You may not ask questions about his mentors or people who influenced him. You may not ask questions concerning his past and present religious affiliations. You may not ask questions concerning his past and present radical affiliations. You may not ask questions concerning his past and present political affiliations.

We will give you a list of approved questions of which you may ask the future king. Like what is your favorite color O Great Anointed One? Or would you like a cushion O Wisest of the Wise? Be sure to bow low enough so that His Highness does not have to look up to you. That is all.

40 posted on 05/15/2008 7:16:46 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: weegee

I am not sure what you mean specifically. I could better judge the specific case you would make.

Obama’s leftist economic policies are fair game, absolutely.

Having a family member of a particular bent is irrlevent, IMO. My grandfather hated Jews, Catholics, blacks, pretty much anyone not like him (WASP). Does that make me unqualified?


41 posted on 05/15/2008 7:20:40 AM PDT by MoreGovLess (If Hillary wins in November, blame Rush!)
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To: MoreGovLess
Having a family member of a particular bent is irrlevent

...while I agree the campaign should be waged on issues, I find it interesting that Obama seems to be repeating John Kerry's mistakes of trying too hard to present himself as something he isn't - Kerry was not a war hero, but was a pretty effective (albeit dishonest) war protester. Obama does not even remotely resemble a Christian by any normal measure, but he seems to be very comfortable running in atheist or black muslim/black nationalist circles. Even with a sympathetic media, Kerry could not completely pull off the war hero ruse. Obama's "Christian" ruse seems to be falling apart at the same point in the campaign, interestingly enough.

42 posted on 05/15/2008 7:41:49 AM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: af_vet_rr
"...his father at one time was a Muslim before renouncing it..

I have never seen any report that claimed that Obama Sr. renounced Islam. He was, in fact, buried in the Islamic rite.

The Obama File


43 posted on 05/15/2008 7:59:40 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: MoreGovLess; weegee
Accuracy in Media has an in-depth profile of a leftist who influenced Obama during his high school years.  In an article entitled, "Obama's Communist Mentor," Cliff Kincaid identifies a member of the Communist Party USA, who has been influential in Obama's life and education, Frank Marshall Davis, who was a communist.



Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA).  The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path.  But Obama, in his book, "Dreams From My Father," refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."  Frank is the black communist writer now considered by some to be in the same category of prominence as Maya Angelou and Alice Walker

the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.

In his book, Obama writes about "a poet named Frank," who visited his family in Hawaii, read poetry, and was full of "hard-earned knowledge" and advice.  Who was Frank?  Obama only says that he had "some modest notoriety once," was "a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes during his years in Chicago..." but was now "pushing eighty."  He writes about "Frank and his old Black Power dashiki self" giving him advice before he left for Occidental College in 1979 at the age of 18.

Is it possible that Obama did not know who Davis was when he wrote his book?  That's not plausible, since Obama refers to him as a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes and says he saw a book of his black poetry.

Professor Gerald Horne, a history professor at the University of Houston, noted that Davis, who moved to Honolulu from Kansas in 1948 "at the suggestion of his good friend Paul Robeson," came into contact with Barack Obama and his family and became the young man's mentor, influencing Obama's sense of identity and career moves.  Robeson, of course, was the well-known black actor and singer who served as a member of the CPUSA and apologist for the old Soviet Union.  Davis had known Robeson from his time in Chicago.

As Horne describes it, Davis "befriended" a "Euro-American family" that had "migrated to Honolulu from Kansas and a young woman from this family eventually had a child with a young student from Kenya East Africa who goes by the name of Barack Obama, who retracing the steps of Davis eventually decamped to Chicago."

Dr. Kathryn Takara, a professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at the University of Hawaii at Manoa who also confirms that Davis is the “Frank” in Obama’s book, did her dissertation on Davis and spent much time with him between 1972 until he passed away in 1987.

In an analysis posted online, she notes that Davis, who was a columnist for the Honolulu Record, brought “an acute sense of race relations and class struggle throughout America and the world” and that he openly discussed subjects such as American imperialism, colonialism and exploitation. She described him as a “socialist realist” who attacked the work of the House Un-American Activities Committee.

Davis, in his own writings, had said that Robeson and Harry Bridges, the head of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) and a secret member of the CPUSA, had suggested that he take a job as a columnist with the Honolulu Record “and see if I could do something for them.” The ILWU was organizing workers there and Robeson’s contacts were “passed on” to Davis, Takara writes.

Takara says that Davis “espoused freedom, radicalism, solidarity, labor unions, due process, peace, affirmative action, civil rights, Negro History week, and true Democracy to fight imperialism, colonialism, and white supremacy. He urged coalition politics.”

Is "coalition politics" at work in Obama’s rise to power?

Trevor Loudon, the New Zealand-based blogger who has been analyzing the political forces behind Obama and specializes in studying the impact of Marxist and leftist political organizations, notes that Frank Chapman, a CPUSA supporter, has written a letter to the party newspaper hailing the Illinois senator’s victory in the Iowa caucuses.

Read more here.

44 posted on 05/15/2008 8:05:19 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: Beckwith
I have never seen any report that claimed that Obama Sr. renounced Islam. He was, in fact, buried in the Islamic rite.

His son claimed he became an atheist and was at one point an animist. Either way, he's long dead and not running for President. I'm more concerned about the wacky born-again Christian running for President (who is, by the way, playing up religion in Kentucky like you wouldn't believe).
45 posted on 05/15/2008 8:51:05 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: LomanBill

who let all this riff raff into the room?


46 posted on 05/15/2008 9:14:22 AM PDT by BBell
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To: Gondring
How about him holding a POT BELLY PIG? Maybe that would do it? ( wish I knew how to embed pictures <<<<>>>>
47 posted on 05/15/2008 9:50:50 AM PDT by oswegodeee (Dee) ( Born in the South and raised in a G_D centered home)
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48 posted on 05/15/2008 10:05:41 AM PDT by weegee (Vote NO on Marxism in 2008.)
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To: Hugin
I don’t think a guy who spent his teen years getting high was ever a serious Muslim.

Wait a minute, I had a restaurant in Aurora/Naperville Illinois for several years, and right next store to me was a cell phone shop. Everyday when I went outside to empty the garbage, the young Muslim men that owned the shop were smoking dope.. they even asked me if I wanted to smoke with them, but that is not one of my vices.. However, they had their prayer rugs in the back of the shop and did lay them out several times a day to pray.. I saw them do it..Needless to say they wouldn't eat at my restaurant because we smoked and made our own BBQ Pork.. mmmm good! Boy howdy!

49 posted on 05/15/2008 10:09:39 AM PDT by oswegodeee (Dee) ( Born in the South and raised in a G_D centered home)
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To: weegee

Funny how Huckabee catches flack for having a cross in the background of one of his sets (a very subtle cross at that), but Obama throws it in your face and the media says very little. Double standard, I’d say...


50 posted on 05/15/2008 1:18:39 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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