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Mankind is the 'Earth's biggest threat'(DEFCON 5 1/2 Barf Alert!)
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | May 15, 2008 | Roger Highfield Science Editor

Posted on 05/15/2008 10:18:53 AM PDT by PROCON

Global warming is causing significant changes to the Earth's natural systems and it is highly unlikely that any force but man-made climate change can be blamed . Researchers who analysed 30,000 academic studies dating back to 1970 said man was responsible for changes that ranged from the loss of ice sheets to the collapse in numbers of many species of wildlife.

"Humans are influencing climate through increasing greenhouse gas emissions, and the warming world is causing impacts on physical and biological systems," said Cynthia Rosenzweig, at the Nasa Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

The effects on living things include the earlier appearance of leaves on trees and plants; the movement of animals and birds to more northerly latitudes and to higher altitudes in the northern hemisphere; rapid advances in flowering time and earlier egg-laying in Britain; and changes in bird migrations in Europe, North America and Australia.

On a planetary scale the changes include the melting of glaciers on all continents; earlier spring river run-off; and the warming of oceans, lakes and rivers.

The study's conclusions go further than the most recent report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which concluded last year that man-made climate change was "likely" to have had a discernible effect on the planet.

It says natural climate variations cannot explain the changes to the Earth's natural systems.

In the study, published in the journal Nature, Miss Rosenzweig and researchers from 10 institutions across the world analysed data from published papers on 829 physical systems – such as glaciers and ice sheets – and 28,800 plant and animal systems. They produced a picture of the changes to each continent. The changes were most marked in North America, Asia and Europe but mainly because far more studies had been carried out there.

The authors said there was an urgent need to study environmental systems in South America, Australia and Africa, especially in tropical and subtropical areas.

In North America, the researchers found that 89 species of plants were flowering earlier, such as the American holly and box elder maple; a decline in the population of polar bears; and the rapid melting of Alaskan glaciers.

In Europe, they found evidence of glaciers melting in the Alps; earlier pollen release in the Netherlands; and apple trees producing leaves 35 days earlier in Spain.

In Asia they reported a change in the freeze depth of permafrost in Russia; and the earlier flowering of ginkgo in Japan.

In Antarctica, the population of emperor penguins had declined by 50 per cent. In South America, the melting of the Patagonia ice-fields were contributing to a rise in sea levels.

Prof Barry Brook, of the University of Adelaide, described the evidence that mankind was altering the world as "overwhelming".

He said: "These changes are only a minor portent of what is likely to come."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: doomsday; globalwarmingscare; junkscience; theskyisfalling

1 posted on 05/15/2008 10:19:03 AM PDT by PROCON
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To: PROCON

Well let the global suicides begin!!!


2 posted on 05/15/2008 10:20:27 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; stainlessbanner

Ping


3 posted on 05/15/2008 10:22:34 AM PDT by PROCON (Dems=You can Fool Some of the People all of the Time--Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Slapshot68; Dr. Eckleburg

Ted Turner is always calling for a cull. I say let him go first.


4 posted on 05/15/2008 10:22:36 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: PROCON

ROTFL .. yeah the barf alert is appropriate. This is really heavy duty industrial chunk hurl pretending to be science.


5 posted on 05/15/2008 10:22:55 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: PROCON

These people should show some leadership and volunteer.


6 posted on 05/15/2008 10:23:12 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: PROCON

“Mankind is the ‘Earth’s biggest threat”

Agreed.

I have carefully constructed and tested a hypothesis which shows that cowardly, liberal British science writers are the worst threat by far to Mother Gaia.

Help to eliminate the egregious effects on Earth’s papier mache fragile “natural systems and kindly snuff yourself immediately, Mr Highfield.


7 posted on 05/15/2008 10:24:39 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: Slapshot68

Actually, biological systems on Earth have had a huge impact on its physical systems (its atmosphere, its surface, its oceans). By their logic, total sterilization of the planet would be required to return it to its “natural” state.


8 posted on 05/15/2008 10:25:12 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: PROCON
Both parties and all three candidates are furiously jockeying over who brings in this global killer:

al Qaeda and gang have dropped off the top spot.

9 posted on 05/15/2008 10:26:00 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The GOP death march to the gravesite is underway.)
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To: PROCON

what a waste fo educations and doctorates.. idiots. the earth is a living breathing planet, it changes over time whether man is present or not.. Good God, these people are dense.


10 posted on 05/15/2008 10:28:54 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotlineĀ—1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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To: PROCON

Aren’t these the same clowns who warned us about “global cooling” in the 1970’s...


11 posted on 05/15/2008 10:29:10 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: PROCON; All
THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

ABSTRACT:

"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is the product of oceanic respiration due to the well-known but under-appreciated solubility pump. Carbon dioxide rises out of warm ocean waters where it is added to the atmosphere. There it is mixed with residual and accidental CO2, and circulated, to be absorbed into the sink of the cold ocean waters. Next the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich sea water deep into the ocean. A millennium later it appears at the surface in warm waters, saturated by lower pressure and higher temperature, to be exhausted back into the atmosphere. Throughout the past 420 millennia, comprising four interglacial periods, the Vostok record of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is imprinted with, and fully characterized by, the physics of the solubility of CO2 in water, along with the lag in the deep ocean circulation. Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase. If increases in carbon dioxide, or any other greenhouse gas, could have in turn raised global temperatures, the positive feedback would have been catastrophic. While the conditions for such a catastrophe were present in the Vostok record from natural causes, the runaway event did not occur. Carbon dioxide does not accumulate in the atmosphere."

http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html

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The graph above represents temperature and CO2 levels over the past 400,000 years. It is the same exact data Al Gore and the rest of the man-made global warmers refer to. The blue line is temps, the red CO2 levels. The deep valleys represent 4 separate glaciation periods. Now look very carefully at this relationship between temps and CO2 levels and keep in mind that Gore claims this data is the 'proof' that CO2 has warmed the earth in the past. But does the graph indeed show this? Nope. In fact, rising CO2 levels all throughout this 400,000 year period actually lagged behind temperature increases --by an average of 800 years! So it couldn't have been CO2 that got Earth out of these 4 past glaciations. Yet Gore dishonestly and continually claims otherwise.-Eye On The Left

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"The above chart shows the range of global temperature through the last 500 million years. There is no statistical correlation between the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere through the last 500 million years and the temperature record in this interval. In fact, one of the highest levels of carbon dioxide concentration occurred during a major ice age that occurred about 450 million years ago. Carbon dioxide concentrations at that time were about 15 times higher than at present.":
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=010405M

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FWD:

So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?

Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds. Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.

In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).

The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/

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Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activites contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

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12 posted on 05/15/2008 10:30:56 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: PROCON
Mankind is the 'Earth's biggest threat'

I'd say mankind is a distant second.


13 posted on 05/15/2008 10:31:05 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: kellynla
It was 1974.
14 posted on 05/15/2008 10:31:34 AM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: PROCON; All
If you look at the chart below, you will see that sunspot activity (during solar maxes--the individual peaks) has been relatively high since about 1900 and almost non-existent for the period between about 1625 and 1725. This period is known as the Maunder (sunspot) Minimum or "Little Ice Age".

From BBC News [yr: 2004]:
"A new [2004] analysis shows that the Sun is more active now than it has been at anytime in the previous 1,000 years. Scientists based at the Institute for Astronomy in Zurich used ice cores from Greenland to construct a picture of our star's activity in the past. They say that over the last century the number of sunspots rose at the same time that the Earth's climate became steadily warmer."..."In particular, it has been noted that between about 1645 and 1715, few sunspots were seen on the Sun's surface. This period is called the Maunder Minimum after the English astronomer who studied it. Ice core disc, Epica Ice cores record climate trends back beyond human measurements It coincided with a spell of prolonged cold weather often referred to as the "Little Ice Age". Solar scientists strongly suspect there is a link between the two events - but the exact mechanism remains elusive."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3869753.stm

It's really hard to imagine how this little ball of fire could have any impact on our climate at all.

But the main arguments being made for a solar-climate connection is not so much to do with the heat of the Sun but rather with its magnetic cycles. When the Sun is more magnetically active (typically around the peak of the 11 year sunspot cycle --we are a few yrs away at the moment), the Sun's magnetic field is better able to deflect away incoming galactic cosmic rays (highly energetic charged particles coming from outside the solar system). The GCRs are thought to help in the formation of low-level cumulus clouds -the type of clouds that BLOCK sunlight and help cool the Earth. So when the Sun's MF is acting up (not like now), less GCRs reach the Earth's atmosphere, less low level sunlight-blocking clouds form, and more sunlight gets through to warm the Earth's surface...naturally. Clouds are basically made up of tiny water droplets. When dust particles in the atmosphere become ionized by incoming GCRs they become very 'attractive' to water molecules, in a purely chemical sense of the word.-Eye On The Left

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There's a relatively new book out on the subject titled The Chilling Stars. It's written by one of the top scientists advancing the theory (Henrik Svensmark).

http://www.sciencedaily.com/books/t/1840468157-the_chilling_stars_the_new_theory_of_climate_change.htm

And here is the website for the place where he does his research:
2008: "The Center for Sun-Climate Research at the DNSC investigates the connection between variations in the intensity of cosmic rays and climatic changes on Earth. This field of research has been given the name 'cosmoclimatology'"..."Cosmic ray intensities – and therefore cloudiness – keep changing because the Sun's magnetic field varies in its ability to repel cosmic rays coming from the Galaxy, before they can reach the Earth." :
http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate

15 posted on 05/15/2008 10:33:13 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: PROCON

We urgently need to return Earth to its original state as a chunk of molten rock without an atmosphere, water or any organic life.


16 posted on 05/15/2008 10:33:31 AM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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To: PROCON
The money quote..

The authors said there was an urgent need to study environmental systems in South America, Australia and Africa, especially in tropical and subtropical areas.

Ah, there's the rub! It's the Scientist Full-Employment Act. Welfare for scientists! Couldn't get it through the legislature, so make up a scare story and try again! Brilliant!

17 posted on 05/15/2008 10:35:23 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan (Fight Socialism! Vote McCain '08!)
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To: PROCON

"Take us to DEFCON 5......and get me the president on the horn."

18 posted on 05/15/2008 10:35:35 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: PROCON
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19 posted on 05/15/2008 10:35:44 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud Rush Conservative with no dog in the presidential race now *sigh*)
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To: PROCON

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

This link is an excellent source for comparison of man-made vs. natural green house gas and water vapor effects on the earth.

Really puts it in perspective over what we are going to trash our economy over.


20 posted on 05/15/2008 10:36:30 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: PROCON

Without mankind, what is the point of earth even existing in the first place?

God takes a holiday. But wasn’t that why Adam and Eve were created, so God would have something to keep Himself entertained?


21 posted on 05/15/2008 10:37:03 AM PDT by alloysteel (Is John McCain headed into the Perfect Storm? You bet he is.)
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To: PROCON
Another small step in the rise of anti-Humanism. What is only hinted at today and spoken of at the fringes of society will one day be a mainstream movement. Even Radical Islam is not as much of a threat to humanity; these people do not merely demand that people submit to tyranny - they want them to die.
22 posted on 05/15/2008 10:41:38 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Peace Is Not The Question.)
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To: Slapshot68

Precisely my thinking. Naturally, the jackasses that write this trash excuse themselves from making the sacrifices the rest of us are expected to comply with.


23 posted on 05/15/2008 10:41:51 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: PROCON
"NASA's mission is to pioneer the future in space exploration, scientific discovery and aeronautics research.

To do that, thousands of people have been working around the world -- and off of it -- for almost 50 years, trying to answer some basic questions. What's out there in space? How do we get there? What will we find? What can we learn there, or learn just by trying to get there, that will make life better here on Earth?

WHAT TO HELL IS GOING ON WITH NASA??

Between this moonbat as well as Jim Hansen and others at NASA, I would like to know how all of this environut BS has come to be under their purview and responsibility.

Moreover, NASA is NOT a private agency and why are no Congress-Critters standing up to these chicken-little-green-weenies?

24 posted on 05/15/2008 10:42:17 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: PROCON
Earth is 'Mankind's biggest threat' --there, fixed it.
25 posted on 05/15/2008 10:43:03 AM PDT by urabus (Quakes and rumors of quakes, volcanos and rumors of volcanos, sunspots and rumors of sunspots...etc)
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To: Slapshot68

Yep. Everyone who believes that globull warming is caused by man should be the leaders.


26 posted on 05/15/2008 10:47:58 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: PROCON

I will not take them seriously until they begin to voluntarily induce permanent carbon-neutral status in themselves, their families, and their pets. This is the EARTH we are talking about here, so I am sure they can accept the small sacrifice that is their insignificant, meaningless lives (in the “grand scheme of things”, compared to millions of plants, animals, rare bacteria, etc).

By all means, if they think humans are such a problem, I invite them to be part of the solution. I even endorse making assisted-suicide legal for life’s “conscientious objectors”. I implore these folks to at least not have children, and not support public education either. Because, after all, it is education which is responsible for science and technology used by evil capitalism to rape the earth. Oh and modern medicine makes us live longer, which uses up more resources.

Of course, most of these people aren’t interested in saving squat. This is about pushing socialism.


27 posted on 05/15/2008 10:49:06 AM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: PROCON

This article is unbelievable tosh.

The Mediaeval Warm Period was warmer than today, despite the fact that the heaviest industry back then was Cathedral construction.

Anthropogenic Global Warming is a deadly myth. Just as the agrarian reforms inspired by Lysenko’s socialistic anti-science killed *42 million people* in the 20th Century, the AGW myth is going to inflict another megadeath on us in this century.

It seems that socialists will never stop trying to kill us for the sake of their personal power.


28 posted on 05/15/2008 10:55:57 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: proud_yank; FrPR; enough_idiocy; rdl6989; IrishCatholic; Normandy; Delacon; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

29 posted on 05/15/2008 10:56:07 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: PROCON

"Global warming is causing significant changes to the Earth's natural systems and it is highly unlikely that any force but man-made climate change can be blamed!!!!"


30 posted on 05/15/2008 10:58:59 AM PDT by weegee (Vote NO on Marxism in 2008.)
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To: PROCON; cogitator
We're scrooooooooooooooooooooooooowed!!!!!
31 posted on 05/15/2008 11:01:10 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
The authors said there was an urgent need to study environmental systems on the beaches of Waikiki, Australia, Sao Paulo, and the Riviera.
32 posted on 05/15/2008 11:01:25 AM PDT by weegee (Vote NO on Marxism in 2008.)
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To: PROCON
Researchers who analysed 30,000 academic studies dating back to 1970 said man was responsible for changes that ranged from the loss of ice sheets to the collapse in numbers of many species of wildlife.

Oh.

The preponderance of evidence theory of Scientific accuracy.

The world is flat. Ask anyone, Christopher.

33 posted on 05/15/2008 11:03:27 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: PROCON; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; SideoutFred; Ole Okie; ...


FReepmail me to get on or off
Click on POGW graphic for full GW rundown
Dr. John Ray's
GREENIE WATCH

The Great Global Warming Swindle Video - Back On The Net!!(Mash Here!)



34 posted on 05/15/2008 11:06:51 AM PDT by xcamel (Forget the past and you're doomed to repeat it.)
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To: weegee
The authors said there was an urgent need to study environmental systems on the beaches of Waikiki, Australia, Sao Paulo, and the Riviera.

'environmental systems' include bikini-clad women and beach bars?

35 posted on 05/15/2008 11:10:19 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: Eye On The Left

Your two posts on this thread are probably the two best (and most informative) posts on this subject that I’ve had the pleasure to read in Free Republic for a long time.

Excellent work, Eye On The Left, and my hat’s off to you!


36 posted on 05/15/2008 11:11:32 AM PDT by Flycatcher (Strong copy for a strong America)
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To: weegee; All

100,000-Year Climate Pattern Linked To Sun's Magnetic Cycles:
ScienceDaily (Jun. 7, 2002) HANOVER, N.H.
Thanks to new calculations by a Dartmouth geochemist, scientists are now looking at the earth's climate history in a new light. Mukul Sharma, Assistant Professor of Earth Sciences at Dartmouth, examined existing sets of geophysical data and noticed something remarkable: the sun's magnetic activity is varying in 100,000-year cycles, a much longer time span than previously thought, and this solar activity, in turn, may likely cause the 100,000-year climate cycles on earth. This research helps scientists understand past climate trends and prepare for future ones.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/06/020607073439.htm

THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

ABSTRACT:

"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is the product of oceanic respiration due to the well-known but under-appreciated solubility pump. Carbon dioxide rises out of warm ocean waters where it is added to the atmosphere. There it is mixed with residual and accidental CO2, and circulated, to be absorbed into the sink of the cold ocean waters. Next the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich sea water deep into the ocean. A millennium later it appears at the surface in warm waters, saturated by lower pressure and higher temperature, to be exhausted back into the atmosphere. Throughout the past 420 millennia, comprising four interglacial periods, the Vostok record of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is imprinted with, and fully characterized by, the physics of the solubility of CO2 in water, along with the lag in the deep ocean circulation. Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase. If increases in carbon dioxide, or any other greenhouse gas, could have in turn raised global temperatures, the positive feedback would have been catastrophic. While the conditions for such a catastrophe were present in the Vostok record from natural causes, the runaway event did not occur. Carbon dioxide does not accumulate in the atmosphere."

http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html

37 posted on 05/15/2008 11:19:02 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: PROCON
Mankind is the 'Earth's biggest threat'

Yeah, tell that to the people in Burma and Sichuan, China.

38 posted on 05/15/2008 11:28:49 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Flycatcher

Why thank you. Glad you found it helpful.


39 posted on 05/15/2008 11:36:52 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: PROCON

Ok, fine. All the global warming fanatics can do their part and jump off a bridge, thus decreasing the overall environment damaging human population. I’ll do my part and eat a ton of steaks and hamburgers, thus reducing the number of methane belching cattle out there.


40 posted on 05/15/2008 11:53:45 AM PDT by LoneStarGI
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To: PROCON
The authors said there was an urgent need to study environmental systems in South America, Australia and Africa, especially in tropical and subtropical areas.

This is the "inconvenient truth" that is driving this madness. They're going to study mankind out of existence.

41 posted on 05/15/2008 12:02:22 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: mikey_hates_everything
See Post #25
42 posted on 05/15/2008 12:31:32 PM PDT by urabus (Quakes and rumors of quakes, volcanos and rumors of volcanos, sunspots and rumors of sunspots...etc)
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To: urabus

bmp


43 posted on 05/15/2008 12:44:31 PM PDT by x_plus_one ("let them eat cake, drive small electric cars and take the bus")
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To: PROCON

Save the earth,
kill an environmentalist!


44 posted on 05/15/2008 12:46:34 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: TheDon
Save the earth,
Save humanity,
kill an environmentalist!
45 posted on 05/15/2008 12:55:24 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Eye On The Left
'environmental systems' include bikini-clad women and beach bars?

You have to go where the greatest heat is being generated and the ice is melting fastest. It's science, dewd!

46 posted on 05/15/2008 2:44:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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