So put away the sodomy certificates, it's all a long way off.
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Posted on 05/15/2008 11:32:44 AM PDT by rface
Fresno County Clerk Victor Salazar anticipates the ruling could be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.......
Fresno County Clerk Victor Salazar said this morning he has asked the County Counsel for direction in light of the state Supreme Court's ruling today on gay marriage.
"What we will be focused on is whether or not there is an appeal period provided. Usually, the ruling does not go into effect until the expiration of an appeal period," Salazar said.
(Excerpt) Read more at fresnobee.com ...
May 15, 2008
E Zorn
Chicago Trib.
.I'm all for full marriage rights and I believe that they will inevitably be granted in all 50 states.
But this is not an issue that the Democrats want on the front burner during this campaign season any more than they wanted it on the front burner four years ago when it seemed to motivate social conservatives to come out and vote...........
except that McCain nor his handlers will use this prior to the election. He vowed to play nice.
I think this will help the GOP from now till November. Most Americans are against legalizing gay marriage. This will hurt the Dems (I hope). The Pubbies should start making an issue of this.
Let’s hope this on it’s way to the SCOTUS
We’d better make it clear that you are quoting; it’s Zorn who’s “all for full marriage rights,” and not you!
More judicial tyranny. And still more will soon be coming down the road, with that jackass McCain all that the Republican Party could put forward to stop the juggernaut.
Even if such an incredibly weak candidate manages to get elected, it’s unlikely that he’ll be able to deal with the issue of decent SCOTUS appointments. Ugh.
So put away the sodomy certificates, it's all a long way off.
during that time the opponents of this decision will seek a stay pending outcome of the November Constitutional Amendment - which they will get.
Thanks I needed that.
Dang--I hope your crystal ball is right!
Well my prediction there was meant to say that they will get the stay.
As for November I think we can win it as long as we keep the Lou Sheldons and the Randy Thomasson's of the world away from it. Fire and brimstone speeches tend to turn off the nervous nellie soccer moms, "Don't be so mean, gays are people too!"
If they keep the message simple and on message and have enough funding, it can be won.
They have granted by the people in one state yet. Only through dictatorial means can leftists force this nonsense upon the masses.
The four judges the ruled for this ought to be jail not sitting on a court.
I think you're giving McCain and the Republicans too much credit. I'm not sure they are smart enough to use this to their advantage.
Sean Hannity, apparently, isn't, either.
I'd like to think you're right. But, the same attempts were thwarted in Massachusetts.
Massachusettes isn't California. I know this issue, I know how it polls, and I know how the vast majority of Californians feel about it. I lived it for nearly two years of my life.
Do not let the makeup of the elected legislature confuse this topic. Californians do not vote for their locals out of deep idealogical convictions. They poke the ballot based on a familiar name. When there is a single serious issue to focus on, they vote in a conservative way (Prop 13, Prop 22, the Recall). A lot of it has to do with turnout. A lot of people don't even vote unless something huge jumps up and bites them on the nose. Wait, watch and see.
Sean Vannity is more of a gutless RINO than McCain. He was solidly for Rudy right up until March.
You'd think someone that yammers on and on about why the Republicans are losing and what they need to do to get back into power would realize that abandoning social issues is part of their problem.
Maybe you're right, though, that he is simply to spineless to take a stance against gay marriage anymore.
What else can he do?
McCain is on record as being against the marriage amendment.
What hay does anyone thing McCain can make with this?
I kind of doubt that, because the proposed constitutional amendment won't even be certified for the ballot (assuming it is certified) until June 18, three days after this ruling takes effect. I think we'll see gay weddings in CA in 30 days' time.
Also, Mr. Salazar, this case isn't going up to the U.S. Supreme Court because each state supreme court gets the final say on what their state constitutions mean. There's no federal question here. (It may become a federal question if married CA gays move across state lines, but that's another case for another day.)
Kind of off topic, but I’m finding it interesting how little play this is getting in the news today. I’ve been browsing the cable networks most of the afternoon because I’m at home under the weather and the Bush/Obama/Hitler story is getting almost all the attention and the CA marriage ruling is kind of an “Oh, yeah, this also happened today” kind of story. How times have changed from a few years ago when Massachusetts started gay marriage and it was top of the news for weeks.
OK
you seem to know something about this and how it works out there
Could this ruling be put on hold till at least the amendment ballot question comes up at the election?
Is this a done deal for the homosexuals or is there an anything which could be done to put it on hold.
please could you help me out on this
Wow. The initiative proponents who qualified it and the lawyers watching this verification completely disagree with you. But since this kind of thing is an armchair sport and there are no political or legal experts who have careers doing this kind of thing, we can all instead sit around commenting based on little snippets we read in a newspaper somewhere. So clearly you are right. And those people who sunk nearly a million dollars into it were confused when they set their long term deadlines for submitting petitions.
I have no idea what the rest of your post was about or how Federal issues got into the mix.
That will be one part of the request for a stay.
OK, I disagree with them, too.
But since this kind of thing is an armchair sport and there are no political or legal experts who have careers doing this kind of thing, we can all instead sit around commenting based on little snippets we read in a newspaper somewhere.
That's pretty much what FR is about: commenting on the news.
So clearly you are right.
I didn't say clearly I was right. I gave my opinion.
And those people who sunk nearly a million dollars into it were confused when they set their long term deadlines for submitting petitions.
They didn't know what day the court would issue its decision. They knew the window for the decision, but no one knew the exact date until yesterday.
And if you had read the very first line of the story (Fresno County Clerk Victor Salazar anticipates the ruling could be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court......) you'd understand why I discussed federal question in my post.
Let's check back in on June 15.
That's got nothing to do with it. With or without the decision today the plan was to qualify this for November, which is what they are on track to do.
So put away the sodomy certificates, it's all a long way off.
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