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Striking changes in Arizona as illegal immigrants flee the state
Intellectual Conservative ^ | May 15, 2008 | Rachel Alexander

Posted on 05/15/2008 1:51:56 PM PDT by az4vlad

Since Arizona's local law enforcement began enforcing illegal immigration laws and an employer sanctions law went into effect, illegal immigrants have been fleeing the state in large numbers. The effects have been far-ranging. Commuters are reporting fewer vehicles on the freeways, shortening their rush-hour commutes. What had become a serious transportation problem in Arizona is losing its urgency. English Learner Language (ELL) students started dropping out of school. This helped end a confrontation between the state legislature and a liberal federal judge who had ordered the state to spend more money on ELL classes.

Fewer illegal immigrants are using hospital emergency rooms, so waiting times have decreased. Although the rest of the country is in an economic slump, unemployment is going down in Arizona, from 4.5% in January to 4.1% in March. Day laborers loitering outside of Home Depot and other stores have mostly disappeared, ending months of confrontation between illegal immigrant sympathizers and protesters. Desert lands near the border are returning to their pristine condition and the wildlife is coming back. Identity theft and car thefts are decreasing. No one showed up on May 1 to march in immigrant rallies.

With illegal immigrants leaving, the state will see huge savings as fewer illegal immigrants use social welfare programs and the cost of arresting, prosecuting, incarcerating and deporting them decreases. Arizona is facing one of the worst budget deficits ever, looming as high as $2 billion in 2009, but the situation may resolve itself.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas are leading the local law enforcement efforts in Arizona against illegal immigration. Arizona is also home to State Representative Russell Pearce, who is responsible for spearheading possibly more laws against illegal immigration than any other state representative in the country. It is also home to Chris Simcox, President of the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps. Other counties around the state are beginning to follow the lead of Maricopa County, signing agreements with I.C.E. to permit their law enforcement agencies to arrest illegal immigrants. Cochise County Attorney Ed Rheinheimer intends to prosecute illegal immigrants for trespassing on public lands. Mesa mayor Keno Hawker recently wrote an op-ed in the East Valley Tribune praising Sheriff Joe Arpaio's sweeps of illegal immigrants. Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik bypassed the Pima County Supervisors when they refused to authorize him to add two Border Patrol agents to his border crime unit, and added them anyways.

Although Arizona's Democrat Governor Janet Napolitano has vetoed most illegal immigration bills since 2002 when she entered office, Arizonans have bypassed her by sending initiatives directly to the ballot. In 2004, voters passed four illegal immigration measures with over 70% yes margins. A law targeting drophouses was signed into law earlier this month. An even stricter employer sanctions measure is currently underway to be on the ballot this fall.

Arizona's llegal immigrants are fleeing to sanctuary cities like San Francisco and states with less enforcement and laws prohibiting illegal immigration like Nebraska, Iowa, and Maryland. Since one out of every illegal immigrant is a felon, the result is felons are disproportionately moving to these places.

Granted there are benefits that immigrants bring to our country. But those benefits are outweighed by the negatives when the immigrants cross illegally. There are too many rules, laws, traditions, and practices in society that conflict with illegal immigrants trying to make a living. Arizona's experiment may end up resolving the illegal immigration problem satisfactorily for all, because once the fiscal expense of illegal immigrants is brought down, revising the laws to permit more immigrants to enter the country legally will become more attractive and realistic.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; employersanctions; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist
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1 posted on 05/15/2008 1:51:56 PM PDT by az4vlad
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To: az4vlad

when is arizona gonna throw don veto napolitano out on her butt ?


2 posted on 05/15/2008 1:54:06 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: az4vlad
Although the rest of the country is in an economic slump, unemployment is going down in Arizona, from 4.5% in January to 4.1% in March.

Just doing the jobs illegal immigrants don't want too...
3 posted on 05/15/2008 1:55:56 PM PDT by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: az4vlad

Gee, I hope the other states don’t try to steal these ideas from Arizona. ;-)


4 posted on 05/15/2008 1:56:02 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: az4vlad

“Although Arizona’s Democrat Governor Janet Napolitano has vetoed most illegal immigration bills since 2002 when she entered office, Arizonans have bypassed her by sending initiatives directly to the ballot”

SWEET! Damn Liberal figure head.


5 posted on 05/15/2008 1:56:03 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: az4vlad

“Since one out of every illegal immigrant is a felon, the result is felons are disproportionately moving to these places.”

Does that mean that someone actually SAID that every illegal is a felon to begin with for breaking immigration law? How un-PC of them. (FINALLY!) :)


6 posted on 05/15/2008 1:56:04 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: az4vlad

Bookmark


7 posted on 05/15/2008 1:57:33 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: az4vlad

And of course JayNo tries to push us backward with her latest stunt yesterday. She is brazen in her arrogance.


8 posted on 05/15/2008 1:58:02 PM PDT by mancini
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To: az4vlad

Is this really true? Is it verifiable or merely anecdotal?


9 posted on 05/15/2008 1:58:05 PM PDT by Round 9
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To: az4vlad
Believe me they in Washington are doing everything in their power to put a stop to any enforcement of our laws. As we speak they are once again attempting to ram another massive "let's not call it an amnesty" through:

Senate panel adds immigration measure to Iraq supplemental

10 posted on 05/15/2008 1:58:06 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: az4vlad
Oh woe is me, how will we ever afford to deport all those illegals? How will we find them? How can we afford to prosecute them? How can we? HOW CAN WE?

Enforce the law, damn it!

I'm going to love watching the landlords who rented to them scatter like cockroaches as the departures spread.

11 posted on 05/15/2008 1:58:10 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If you continue to hold your nose and vote, and always win, your nation will be destroyed.)
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To: az4vlad

FTA: “Arizona’s llegal immigrants are fleeing to sanctuary cities like San Francisco...”

Good. They can clog the highways even more along with the gays, who are going there to het married.


12 posted on 05/15/2008 1:58:27 PM PDT by Eurale
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Does that mean that someone actually SAID that every illegal is a felon to begin with for breaking immigration law?

It looks like a typo to me. I think they were trying to say 'one out of every (some number) of illegal immigrants are felons' but the editor neglected to notice that they didn't put the number in.
13 posted on 05/15/2008 2:00:53 PM PDT by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: FJB2

Same thing happened in Oklahoma and other places that began to enforce anti-illgal immigrant laws.


14 posted on 05/15/2008 2:01:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If you continue to hold your nose and vote, and always win, your nation will be destroyed.)
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To: az4vlad
Yes, but just wait 'til the cost of lettuce jumps to $10 per head. The Arizona residents will be begging to bring the illegals back.

< /sarcasm>

15 posted on 05/15/2008 2:01:40 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Yes indeedy, and that the same “someone” is now the candidate for President on the Republican side, it’s certainly an “interesting” occurence coming from his own state!


16 posted on 05/15/2008 2:03:13 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“...every illegal is a felon to begin with.”

I think it’s a typo. There’s a word missing.

But if it was meant to say that every illegal is a felon, then that would be plain wrong. You may not like it and I may not like it, but just being in the country without proper authorization IS NOT A FELONY.


17 posted on 05/15/2008 2:03:21 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: FJB2

I was wondering myself how much of this is verifiable.


18 posted on 05/15/2008 2:04:07 PM PDT by BBell
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To: az4vlad

Illegal aliens, folks, not illegal immigrants. Immigrants describes only people who come here intending to stay, not everyone who comes over the border. The word “immigrant” does not describe everyone who’s part of the problem.


19 posted on 05/15/2008 2:05:43 PM PDT by RonF
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To: swain_forkbeard
You may not like it and I may not like it, but just being in the country without proper authorization IS NOT A FELONY.

That may be true but many felonies occur after entering. Look at all the document fraud that was going on in Iowa. If Americans did that they could expect jail time but the most these "migrants" will get is a free trip back home, if even that.

20 posted on 05/15/2008 2:06:24 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: az4vlad
McCain will throw this out. Today's speech he said all illegal aliens by 2013 who committed crimes here would have been deported. Illegal entry doesn't seem to be a crime in his book and the way I read it is by hook or crook, if you are here by 2013, you have got it made and will get amnesty.
21 posted on 05/15/2008 2:06:35 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Ronald Reagan Fought Regulation, John McCain Brought Regulation...)
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To: DoughtyOne

>>I’m going to love watching the landlords who rented to them scatter like cockroaches as the departures spread.

You’re already seeing it. It’s bound to be a component of the mortgage default crisis.


22 posted on 05/15/2008 2:06:45 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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To: az4vlad

All this progress in Arizona—and none of it attributable to John McAmnesty.


23 posted on 05/15/2008 2:07:23 PM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: az4vlad

“Since one out of every [———] illegal immigrant is a felon, the result is felons are disproportionately moving to these places.

What is this missing number?


24 posted on 05/15/2008 2:07:23 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder ()OK. We're still working on your ones.)
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To: kingattax

I would think it would be easy after the way the states budget has been destroyed by her and her comrades in the legislature.


25 posted on 05/15/2008 2:09:33 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: swain_forkbeard
"IS NOT A FELONY."

You know you're going to get some flack for this from the diehard anti-illegal-immigrant crowd.

In any case, I agree with you. The only thing I disagreed with Tancredo on was his wacky idea of making all illegal aliens felons by dint of their coming here illegally.

Making all illegal aliens felons is only going to disrupt the process of their self-deportation.

26 posted on 05/15/2008 2:10:30 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: FreedomPoster

I may be, but I doubt it’s the main cause. The main cause was floating loans to citizens who couldn’t service them.


27 posted on 05/15/2008 2:11:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If you continue to hold your nose and vote, and always win, your nation will be destroyed.)
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To: Eurale

FTA: “Arizona’s llegal immigrants are fleeing to sanctuary cities like San Francisco...”

Good. They can clog the highways even more along with the gays, who are going there to h(g)et married.

Oh man, so many more are going to get rear-ended!
28 posted on 05/15/2008 2:12:49 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: kingattax

When her term expires. She’s term-limited.


29 posted on 05/15/2008 2:14:34 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Who would McQueeg rather have mad at him: You or the liberals?)
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To: kingattax
when is arizona gonna throw don veto napolitano out on her butt ?

We're hoping that Obama will appoint her Permanent Latrine Orderly or something that takes her off our hands.

30 posted on 05/15/2008 2:15:19 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: az4vlad
Since one out of every illegal immigrant is a felon . . .

Typo? One out of how many?

Now, I wonder how McCain is going to tell us that enforcement first does not work when it is clearly working in his home state.

31 posted on 05/15/2008 2:15:47 PM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: az4vlad
Now that they have watered down the employer sanctions law to include only new employees, does that mean that they will finally begin enforcing the new law?
32 posted on 05/15/2008 2:16:25 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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33 posted on 05/15/2008 2:16:51 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Syncro

I live in Iowa and there are many coming here. ICE just raided a packing plant this week and rounded up 390 of them. Not only were they illegal but some of them were running a meth lab IN the packing plant. If more states would crack down we could make a huge dent in this problem.


34 posted on 05/15/2008 2:18:33 PM PDT by Cyclone Conservative
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To: az4vlad

So the question now is where are they fleeing to?
Hopefully back to Mexico not elsewhere in the States.


35 posted on 05/15/2008 2:19:30 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
"You know you're going to get some flack for this from the diehard anti-illegal-immigrant crowd."

Why? Where is the flack? I am totally against illegal immigration because it is an security issue as well as a social and economic issue. That doesn't change the fact that it is not a felony to be here illegally. Those that seem to think that illegals are just great have a serious misconception of those who are against illegal immigration.

36 posted on 05/15/2008 2:27:24 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde ("When the government fears the people there is liberty ... " Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Vigilanteman

Thanks for catching that typo - it was supposed to say one out of every 10 illegal immigrants is a felon.


37 posted on 05/15/2008 2:30:46 PM PDT by az4vlad
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
“Since one out of every [———] illegal immigrant is a felon, the result is felons are disproportionately moving to these places.
What is this missing number?

My educated guess is either 4 or 5.
I agree that an intended number was left out either in the original report or in a transcription.

38 posted on 05/15/2008 2:36:53 PM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

That may be true but many felonies occur after entering. Look at all the document fraud that was going on in Iowa. If Americans did that they could expect jail time but the most these “migrants” will get is a free trip back home, if even that))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

I prefer the word “INSURGENTS” over “migrants”.


39 posted on 05/15/2008 2:38:23 PM PDT by CHEE (Oh, give me land, lots of land.............)
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To: az4vlad
Thanks for catching that typo - it was supposed to say one out of every 10 illegal immigrants is a felon.

Actually, that number is much higher.

It is a felony to do the following:

1. Obtain a false Driver's License
2. Obtain a false SSN card.
3. Use false ID to gain employment
4. And I believe Using false ID to gain health care is also a felony(I need to do some more research to prove this one).
40 posted on 05/15/2008 2:39:51 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; AuntB; Tennessee Nana
Although Arizona's Democrat Governor Janet Napolitano has vetoed most illegal immigration bills since 2002 when she entered office, Arizonans have bypassed her by sending initiatives directly to the ballot. In 2004, voters passed four illegal immigration measures with over 70% yes margins. A law targeting drophouses was signed into law earlier this month. An even stricter employer sanctions measure is currently underway to be on the ballot this fall.
41 posted on 05/15/2008 2:39:58 PM PDT by Liz (Without the brave, there'd be no land of the free. Senator Fred Thompson)
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To: az4vlad

“In 2004, voters passed four illegal immigration measures with over 70% yes margins. “

And John McCain came out against it.


42 posted on 05/15/2008 2:47:34 PM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: Joe 6-pack
"Yes, but just wait 'til the cost of lettuce jumps to $10 per head. The Arizona residents will be begging to bring the illegals back."

Hell, if doing without lettuce will solve the illegal problem, then I'll gladly do without it...or plant my own victory garden...that way it would be even more fresh...and way cheaper.

To paraphrase an old saying, "If I know they were going to be this much trouble, I would have picked my own lettuce."
43 posted on 05/15/2008 2:49:02 PM PDT by FrankR (OBAMA is the VAST WRIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY...)
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To: swain_forkbeard

>>>>>>You may not like it and I may not like it, but just being in the country witout proper authorization IS NOT A FELONY.

True enough, but every re-entry after an adjudicated deportation proceeding (e.g., by the CIS/ICE immigration court) IS a felony.


44 posted on 05/15/2008 2:50:14 PM PDT by angkor
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To: kingattax
when is arizona gonna throw don veto napolitano out on her butt ?

When the state gets a voter ID law?

45 posted on 05/15/2008 2:56:13 PM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: CHEE
I prefer the word “INSURGENTS” over “migrants”.

Same here, that's what they are as far as I'm concerned. I do find it amusing though the softer and less threatening terms like "undocumented immigrants" and "migrants" the liberal media likes to use.

46 posted on 05/15/2008 2:57:39 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: swain_forkbeard

IT damn sure should be!


47 posted on 05/15/2008 3:01:11 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: mewzilla

Now you’ve gone and noodled out why she got elected in the first place...she’s worried now because they won’t be there next time to uh...vote.


48 posted on 05/15/2008 3:02:24 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Joe 6-pack

Stop welfare & require capable to get jobs doing the picking
or something.


49 posted on 05/15/2008 3:04:08 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Gaffer

I agree. Especially since we face the very real threat of infiltration by sworn enemies.


50 posted on 05/15/2008 3:06:30 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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