L.A. Mayor Villaraigosa Says He Will Officiate at Same-Sex Weddings (He's a Catholic?)

Los Angeles Times ^ | May 15, 2008 | Jean-Paul Renaud

[kellynla]

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa hailed the California Supreme Court decision today, saying he would officiate over as many same-sex weddings as possible.

The mayor stood by leaders of the gay and lesbian community today, calling the high-court's decision a victory for California.

[kellynla]

And this guy calls himself a Roman Catholic?

[kellynla]

ping

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Guess its like being a “Jack” Morman.

[Red Badger]

(He’s a Catholic?)............not any more........

[Travis McGee]

"Mayor MEChA:"

Read about how a pro-communist, ultra radical "MEChista" named Tony Villar cut his hair, changed his name, put on a tie, and became the mayor of America's second largest city.

[Piquaboy]

He will rot in hell for what he is going to do.

[SumProVita]

IF he officiates at such a “wedding,” he automatically excommunicates himself.

[kellynla]

"That is why God abandoned them to degrading passions: Why their women have exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural practices; and the men, in a similar fashion, too, giving up normal relations with women, are consumed with passion for each other, men doing shameful things with men and receiving in themselves due reward for their perversion and indecent behaviour.

And so now they are steeped in all sorts of injustice, rottenness, greed and malice; full of envy, murder, wrangling, treachery and spite,

libellers, slanderers, enemies of God, rude, arrogant and boastful, enterprising in evil, rebellious to parents,

without brains, honour, love or pity.

They are well aware of God's ordinance: that those who behave like this deserve to die-yet they not only do it, but even applaud others who do the same."
Romans 1

[Red Badger]

THAT’s what I meant...........

[Vaquero]

Excommunicate his butt

[WayneS]

“L.A. Mayor Villaraigosa Says He Will Officiate at Same-Sex Weddings (He’s a Catholic?)”

Apparently not...

[kellynla]

“he automatically excommunicates himself?”

For those of us who might not know what that means,
could you be so kind as to explain it...in layman’s terms. LOL

Thanks,
Kelly

[Vaquero]

it was better when there was a secret underground society of these people.

Whether through nature or nurture these people became what they are.

But for the good of society we risk ending up like the decline of the Roman Empire by legitimizing their activity. All things considered, the closet was a good thing.

[NoKoolAidforMe]

In the Catholic church, when one violates the primary tenets of the faith, that person is no longer entitled to receive communion, and is essentially shunned unless they repent their sin and receive absolution. Absolution can only be granted by a priest.

[ElPatriota]

...And this guy calls himself a Roman Catholic?...

I just vomited! :)

but in all fairness to Catholics who maybe confused, may be I missed it?... But in his recent visit, the Pope, although he spoke several times about the abuses of "Pedophiles,"... NOT ONCE uttered the word "homosexuals." And that leads me to all kinds of suspicions. I don't mind telling you that I believe the CC is probably full of homosexual priest already, STILL ACTIVE, and very probable in high ranking positions already. Could the Pope be simply giving the homos the old wink... wink?

You know how the CC screams often enough in favor of the Illegals and how unjust we are in the U.S... But have they EVER shown the same passion against the fags?... Whom by the way, is not that they want "to be left alone" anymore, but that they are ACTIVELY trying their best to indoctrinate and initiate as many kids as they can into a homosexual life... And where is the Catholic Church on these issues? Furthermore, where is the OUTRAGE of Catholics themselves on the position of the CC on this?..... Hmm????????.... The old wink.. wink? I guess..

[BibChr]

Sure. As long as he checks the right external boxes and dies with a scapular on, he’s all-good, acc’g to Rome.

[kellynla]

“it was better when there was a secret underground society of these people?”

It would be better if these people turned to God, picked up a Bible, read it, prayed and changed their ways.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

As long as he checks the right external boxes and dies with a scapular on, he’s all-good, acc’g to Rome.

BS!

If someone dies in a state of mortal sin they go straight to hell, according to the Church. They do not pass go, they do not go to purgatory (I know, you don't believe in it), they burn in hell for all time!

[Vaquero]

It would be better if these people turned to God, picked up a Bible, read it, prayed and changed their ways

OK Sure...but these practices go back forever and if your going to have it...be quiet about it.

[SumProVita]

Sorry. ;-) Excommunication is the most serious censure the Catholic Church imposes on her members. It is based on an understanding of the concept of SIN. An excommunicated person is still a member of the Church, but he/she has lost certain key rights attached to Church membership and is cut off from many of the activities and benefits of the Church. For example, an excommunicated person may no longer receive Communion.

“Can. 1314 A penalty is for the most part ferendae sententiae, that is, not binding upon the offender until it has been imposed. It is, however, latae sententiae, so that it is incurred automatically upon the commission of an offence,...”

Hope this helps.

[ken21]

john and ken 640 am

have returned the mayor to his original name:

villar!

yes, mayor villar.

[kellynla]

Three things in life are definite.

Death
Taxes
And if there is a Catholic thread posted, you will be there to bash the Catholic Church.
gezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...get a friggin’ life, will ya. LMAO

[Wonder Warthog]

"But in his recent visit, the Pope, although he spoke several times about the abuses of "Pedophiles,"... NOT ONCE uttered the word "homosexuals." And that leads me to all kinds of suspicions. I don't mind telling you that I believe the CC is probably full of homosexual priest already, STILL ACTIVE, and very probable in high ranking positions already. Could the Pope be simply giving the homos the old wink... wink?"

No "wink-wink". The Pope is just using the accepted media language for the problem. Believe me, the Church is well aware of the problems of homosexual priests, and has already promulgated and implemented policies in an attempt to keep queers out of the priesthood. Where the Church went wrong is that they got hood-winked into accepting the "queers are just like us" meme that the psychologists are peddling, and, based on that idea, allowed a relaxation of the "no queers" rules--the reasoning being that as long as the priest remains true to his vows of celibacy, there wouldn't be a problem. BUT, the evidence on the ground now proves that there IS a problem, and that queers CANNOT and WILL NOT remain true to their celibacy vows. Hence the return of the more stringent screening for queer candidates for the priesthood.

"You know how the CC screams often enough in favor of the Illegals and how unjust we are in the U.S... But have they EVER shown the same passion against the fags?... Whom by the way, is not that they want "to be left alone" anymore, but that they are ACTIVELY trying their best to indoctrinate and initiate as many kids as they can into a homosexual life... And where is the Catholic Church on these issues? Furthermore, where is the OUTRAGE of Catholics themselves on the position of the CC on this?"

And here speaks your ignorance. The Church has CONSISTENTLY spoken out against the active queer lifestyle, and homosexual activity. On the same note, the Church has always taught that, as long as they do not engage in active homosexuality (i.e. remain celibate), then they can be forgiven and receive the sacraments just like anybody other sinner. And I can absolutely guarantee that we Catholics are just as outraged by the push to legitimize queer-ism as anybody else.

[Rational Thought]

Mayor Villar would be the perfect running mate for Obama OR
McCain.

[BibChr]

This is a serious request:

Find a web site

Quote the words of the scapular in full

Then a retraction and apology from you would be appropriate

[livius]

When a person has committed a grave sin of that nature, technically he has excommunicated himself - that is, he has excluded himself from the communion and also from being able to go to sacramental Communion. He can come back by repenting and going to Confession. While he has technically excommunicated himself, though, much depends on having the priest refuse him Communion, because sinners like this don’t care and will go to Communion anyway. Priests are timid and reluctant to refuse, even assuming they know who the person is and what he has done, particularly if there has been no announcement from a bishop that makes it a public matter.

However, a formal excommunication is one that is announced by a Church official, such as the person’s bishop, subject to provisions of canon law. This is a public matter, and the person is usually subject to some kind of public penalty, such as publicly renouncing his actions, as well as going to Confession. These excommunications can be lifted by a bishop, but there are certain excommunications that can only be removed by Rome.

Bishops who do excommunicate people now don’t seem to do it with the formal anathemas and things that used to surround the procedure, and generally write a letter which is publicly released telling that person to refrain from going to Communion. This was done recently by Archbishop Naumann of Kansas in the case of Governor Kathleen Sibelius, after he had met with the governor and discussed her relentlessly pro-abortion policies with her - and then she went and vetoed an abortion limit approved by the large majority of the state’s legislators. So far as I know, she hasn’t challenged it or tried to go to Communion.

Hope this makes sense!

[BibChr]

You’re that down on Rome that anyone who simply accurate states its doctrines is “bashing”?

I don’t think your problem is my problem.

[The Louiswu]

Get used to same sex marriages folks. When the O’man is Prez, this will be the law of the land.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Bearing false witness is a violation of the Eighth Commandment. Shame on you.

[BibChr]

See reply 18.

[livius]

The Pope actually did mention homosexuals, and said (significantly, I thought) that this was a “separate matter” that he would deal with at a different time. This was in an address to the bishops.

The number of genuine child molesters among the clergy was actually not very high, and the greatest percentage of the cases involved men molesting teenage boys and occasionally even harrassing young adult men. Just lumping them under “pedophiles” lets them skate under the radar, and I think the Pope is trying to separate the two issues so he can deal with them appropriately.

[ArrogantBustard]

Some folks seem to think that lying about the Church is perfectly OK.

I wonder what other subjects they see fit to blithely lie about?

[NeoCaveman]

Get used to same sex marriages folks. When the O’man is Prez, this will be the law of the land.

Heck they may be made mandatory.

[ElPatriota]

...And here speaks your ignorance....

Ok granted, that I am not as brilliant and educated as some of you are and I have never pretended otherwise - just look at my 'spelling'! :)

You seem to know your stuff, again, did the Pope say anything of substance against the 'queers' IN THIS TRIP?

Because, there is a problem with people such like me who may not get it unless the CC makes their position very clear. There is no question in my mind, this last trip was a very successful PR trip for the CC and the pope. I liked the Pope before he was Pope and still do because he seems like not nonsense type of man, that is probably why I expect so much from him.

I judge by what I hear on the regular news outlets... And I simply don't hear ANYTHING...NOTHING!... on the position of the church on these issues. :)

Case in point: The 'queers' marriages in CA now legal. You would think this was a BIG DEAL for the CC... I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE CC Comment on this? :)... Have they? Have they said anything?... Has Rome said anything on it?

[kellynla]

“You’re that down on Rome that anyone who simply accurate states its doctrines is “bashing”?”

You may “think” you are an expert on Catholicism, but it's obvious, you didn't major in English in college now did you.

After you clean up the grammar in your post;
you might try documenting your claims with some references/links, oh “wiser than the rest of us.” LMAO

[Jaded]

Well, yes, in the real Catholic world. We’re talking about Mahoneyland here.

[Antoninus]

And this guy calls himself a Roman Catholic?

Sure. As long as it gets him votes. Jimmy McGreevey used to call himself "catholic" as well.

This sleazeball is about as Catholic as Howard Stern.

[No Dems 2004]

Foolish guy.

[kellynla]

ya know your “one trick pony” has gotten reeeeeeeeeeeel old after all these years...either back up your claims with some documentation AND links or find some other forum to “break wind.” You can pick up your Anti-Catholic Bigot Badge on your way out!

[Jaded]

McGreevy is now an Episcopal seminarian. Imagine that.

[SumProVita]

I understand. We can only pray for Bishop Mahoney. A great Catholic saint once stated that the floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops (I am NOT saying this is the case for Bishop Mahoney as only God can do that). To refocus, keep in mind that Bishop Mahoney has no power over Canon Law: ‘It is, however, latae sententiae, so that it is incurred automatically upon the commission of an offence,...’

[BibChr]

Well, I’ll tell myself it was worth a try. Once a year should do it.

But on my longer list of undeniables would be this:

Attempts at rational, fact-based dialogue with kellynla always fail, and are always regretted.

[beaversmom]

This is terribly sad for our country. I think there’s very little chance to put this genie back in the bottle. It’s just like abortion—here to stay forever now.

[Antoninus]

And where is the Catholic Church on these issues? Furthermore, where is the OUTRAGE of Catholics themselves on the position of the CC on this?..... Hmm????????.... The old wink.. wink? I guess.

Uh, do you actually know what the Church's position is on this, or are you just guessing? Here's what the catechism says:

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

Furthermore, Benedict XVI issued an Instruction to the Bishops which precludes unrepentant homosexuals from being considered for the priesthood. This document reinforeced another one issued in 1961 by Pope John XXIII. Liberal bishops generally ignored John XXIII's instruction and reaped the whirlwind as a result. Efforts are being made by Catholics and the good bishops to fix the damage, but there are still too many liberals in high places.

And finally, there's the "LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON THE PASTORAL CARE OF HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS" which in part says:

The movement within the Church, which takes the form of pressure groups of various names and sizes, attempts to give the impression that it represents all homosexual persons who are Catholics. As a matter of fact, its membership is by and large restricted to those who either ignore the teaching of the Church or seek somehow to undermine it. It brings together under the aegis of Catholicism homosexual persons who have no intention of abandoning their homosexual behaviour. One tactic used is to protest that any and all criticism of or reservations about homosexual people, their activity and lifestyle, are simply diverse forms of unjust discrimination.

Click here for the full document.

So please don't bear false witness against Holy Mother Church before doing the research. Those bishops within the Church who support homosexuality are dissidents who are protesting the Church's unchanging and Biblically-based teaching on the issue. As you know, we've had difficulties with "protestants" before and since Trent, the Church has adopted much different methods for dealing with them. The most common strategy seems to be "teach them, admonish them, love them, and wait them out until the cultural zeitgeist passes by." And for a Church that's been steadily growing for nearly 2,000 years, that seems like a reasonable reaction.

[ken21]

unbelievable, but the mayor is running for

terminator’s position.

villar flunked the bar exam 4 times.

[sheik yerbouty]

I’ve long thought of him as a p*ndejo..

[kellynla]

blah...blah...blah...
let us know when you have some documentation to back up your claims...in the meantime, do us all a favor and stay off my threads.

[Antoninus]

This is terribly sad for our country. I think there’s very little chance to put this genie back in the bottle. It’s just like abortion—here to stay forever now.

Don't despair. Hope is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Despair is of the devil.

[ElPatriota]

Good stuff, I will read and learn :)

Thanks.

[BibChr]

Done. Reply 18.