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Curious George/Curious Obama
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | May 13, 2008 | JAMIE GUMBRECHT, CHRISTIAN BOONE

Posted on 05/16/2008 6:43:38 AM PDT by dbmurray

The publishing company that owns the Curious George image says it is considering legal action to stop the sale of a T-shirt depicting Barack Obama as the monkey from children's books.

The T-shirts are being peddled by Marietta bar owner Mike Norman at his Mulligan's Bar and Grill in Cobb County. They show a picture of Curious Georgie peeling a banana, with the words "Obama '08" underneath.

Rick Blake, a spokesman for publisher Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, which owns Curious George, said Wednesday that the company didn't authorize the use of the character's image, but hasn't been in touch with anybody selling or manufacturing the shirts.

"We find it offensive and obviously utterly out of keeping with the value Curious George represents," Blake said. "We're monitoring the situation and weighing our options with respect to legal action."

(Excerpt) Read more at ajc.com ...


TOPICS: Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; cartoons; obama; politics
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Let's get this straight. A Maxim article depicting George Bush as Curious George doesn't so much as raise an eyebrow, but a T-Shirt doing the same thing with Obama has the collective panties of the media in a wad. LINK 1 LINK 2

Houghton Mifflin is considering a lawsuit, but did they sue Maxim?

1 posted on 05/16/2008 6:43:39 AM PDT by dbmurray
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To: dbmurray

If the shoe fits, wear it.


2 posted on 05/16/2008 6:45:28 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: dbmurray

countdown to zot from mods


3 posted on 05/16/2008 6:45:59 AM PDT by WackySam
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To: dbmurray

remember how monkey images were given to Bush and the libs laughed but hey do it to a dem and they got all their panties in a twist.

really must be confusing to be a lib
the selective outrage is amazing


4 posted on 05/16/2008 6:46:01 AM PDT by manc (a normal natural marriage is between a man and a woman, MA has a perverted sham marriages)
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To: manc

I don’t think they’re “confused” at all.

When nothing you believe is based on anything logical and all on emotion, there is no problem with double standards, hypocrisy or contradiction.


5 posted on 05/16/2008 6:47:52 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: WackySam

“countdown to zot from mods”

What is that supposed to mean??


6 posted on 05/16/2008 6:54:15 AM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: cweese

This story was posted yesterday from a UPI source. The mods pulled it and listed “No stories about blacks as monkeys, period”


7 posted on 05/16/2008 6:56:26 AM PDT by WackySam
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To: dbmurray

Maybe the bar owner should explain patiently that he’s upporting BHO as the T-shirt indicates, and that the monkey image represents our President, to remind everone how awful he’s been.


8 posted on 05/16/2008 6:56:54 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: WackySam

Ah, I missed that. Thanks for the info.


9 posted on 05/16/2008 6:57:40 AM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: dbmurray
She said she'd like to see the city ban Norman's provocative musings regularly posted on a sign out front of the bar, which is near Marietta's downtown square. Those who gathered Tuesday say they will continue their campaign against Norman's "hate speech."

Exercising her 1st Amendment right to ask for yours to be limited. Cute.

10 posted on 05/16/2008 6:58:00 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Well, he's not Obama. McCain '08!)
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To: WackySam
“No stories about blacks as monkeys, period”

We're safe then, as this story is about double standards.

11 posted on 05/16/2008 7:00:07 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Well, he's not Obama. McCain '08!)
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To: WackySam

Not fair to the monkeys ???


12 posted on 05/16/2008 7:02:18 AM PDT by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: swain_forkbeard

I didn’t see that.


13 posted on 05/16/2008 7:02:31 AM PDT by dbmurray (Making hay while the sun shines)
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To: cweese
Ah, I missed that. Thanks for the info.

Here's the link to the pulled story. I found it a little strange that the mods pulled a story that was from a mainstream source. I don't think I've ever seen that kind of political correctness here at FR. I hope it doesn't continue.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2016692/posts
14 posted on 05/16/2008 7:04:57 AM PDT by WackySam
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To: Fundamentally Fair

My liberal university brainwashed son, an Obama supporter was a huge Curious George fan. He would probably buy the T-shirt and wear it with pride.


15 posted on 05/16/2008 7:07:11 AM PDT by Notasoccermom
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To: dbmurray
Houghton Mifflin is considering a lawsuit, but did they sue Maxim?

Why should it? Is Maxim selling t-shirts with the image for profit?

16 posted on 05/16/2008 7:09:08 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: MrB

Mr B
I enjoy reading your posts

very true again with what you say


17 posted on 05/16/2008 7:19:30 AM PDT by manc (a normal natural marriage is between a man and a woman, MA has a perverted sham marriages)
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To: dbmurray

And I agree that Obama does look like a monkey with those big ears! Come on, folks. What goes around comes around!


18 posted on 05/16/2008 7:24:49 AM PDT by No Dems 2004 (No Dems in 2008 either)
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To: 1rudeboy

Um...Maxim does profit for those magazines, you know. They don’t just magically appear under a your 14-year old brother’s bed.


19 posted on 05/16/2008 7:25:23 AM PDT by dbmurray (Making hay while the sun shines)
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To: dbmurray

Satire is protected speech, I think the guy can publish to his pocketbooks content.

By the way, the “banana” in Curious Barack’s hand isn’t a banana. Ask Larry Sinclair for details.


20 posted on 05/16/2008 7:26:57 AM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State for business, Red State at heart..)
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To: dbmurray

No wonder.


21 posted on 05/16/2008 7:27:26 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: dbmurray

Right. Do you see any Constitutional problems with going after editorial cartoonists?


22 posted on 05/16/2008 7:28:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Yes, there are problems just as there are Constitutional problems with going after any form of free speech.

This is clearly a use of a recognized character to convey a political message. Whether you agree with the message or not, whether you find it funny or not, it’s still protected by the Constitution. Whether the message is delivered on a t-shirt vs. in the pages of a magazine is irrelevant. You can’t logically bring up the selling price of the shirt without also addressing the selling price of the magazine.


23 posted on 05/16/2008 7:37:13 AM PDT by dbmurray (Making hay while the sun shines)
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To: dbmurray
Whether the message is delivered on a t-shirt vs. in the pages of a magazine is irrelevant.

And here's your problem. Logically, and legally.

24 posted on 05/16/2008 7:41:11 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Double standard?

http://www.bushorchimp.com/


25 posted on 05/16/2008 7:45:23 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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26 posted on 05/16/2008 7:46:18 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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27 posted on 05/16/2008 7:47:12 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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28 posted on 05/16/2008 7:48:09 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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29 posted on 05/16/2008 7:49:05 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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I'm also not seeing the logic behind the argument that one's copyright rights cannot be defended unless one defends it in all cases.

Ever try to talk your way out of a speeding ticket by claiming, "but others speed as well?"

30 posted on 05/16/2008 7:49:57 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dbmurray

This ‘Curious George’/Obama comparison was first brought up by a caller to Rush Limabaugh’s show. The caller told Rush that her young daughter saw Obama and immediately made the comparison. This what at least a month ago.


31 posted on 05/16/2008 7:51:56 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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32 posted on 05/16/2008 7:52:07 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: 1rudeboy

It’s waiver. Ask Klenex or Xerox.


33 posted on 05/16/2008 7:53:00 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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34 posted on 05/16/2008 7:55:16 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: swain_forkbeard
Maybe the bar owner should explain patiently that he’s upporting BHO as the T-shirt indicates, and that the monkey image represents our President, to remind everone how awful he’s been.

Yeah. That's the ticket.

35 posted on 05/16/2008 7:55:33 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: MeanWestTexan

Please elaborate. Are you suggesting that the company manufacturing Kleenex has given-up its trademark because the general public uses the name in general conversation?


36 posted on 05/16/2008 7:56:33 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

It hasn’t “given up” its trademark, but, yes, a trademark ceases to be enforceable if the owner allows is to become generally used, such as in “go xerox this report.”

That said, the issue is the selective enforcement by the publisher of Curious George, which speaks volumes about its political agenda, not the arcane minutia of intellectual property.


37 posted on 05/16/2008 8:02:08 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: MeanWestTexan

So I can open a tissue-making factory, and sell my product under the brand name, Kleenex? Yes or no?


38 posted on 05/16/2008 8:03:43 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

“I’m also not seeing the logic behind the argument that one’s copyright rights cannot be defended unless one defends it in all cases.”

Who made that argument? It’s Houghton Mifflin’s choice to bring suits they think they can win...and at this moment, they’re still weighing their options. The point is that it’s free speech which should (in my opinion, of course) fall under fair use just as the Maxim article should fall under fair use.


39 posted on 05/16/2008 8:04:31 AM PDT by dbmurray (Making hay while the sun shines)
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To: 1rudeboy

“selective enforcement by the publisher of Curious George”

By which I refer to the hundreds of various curious George t-shirts available on the Internet that bash Bush (some examples above), not to mention entire cartoon strips in national magazines.

But a bar owner somewhere bashes Obama? The horror!

It’s clearly political.


40 posted on 05/16/2008 8:06:24 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: 1rudeboy

That’s a distraction from the point of the article, if you would like to Freepmail me, I will answer your questions so as to not disrupt the thread.


41 posted on 05/16/2008 8:07:32 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: dbmurray
Who made that argument?

Just everyone who is claiming, "double standard." And there ya' go, even if Houghton-Mifflin is holding a double-standard, it is their double-standard to make.

42 posted on 05/16/2008 8:09:50 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Again, the issue is the selective enforcement by the publisher of Curious George, which speaks volumes about its political agenda, not the arcane minutia of intellectual property.


43 posted on 05/16/2008 8:09:53 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: MeanWestTexan

No thanks, I’d rather you answer a simple yes-or-no question here, because it goes directly to the source of your misunderstanding.


44 posted on 05/16/2008 8:11:02 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

OK, live in ignorance.


45 posted on 05/16/2008 8:17:35 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: 1rudeboy

If you guys think this story is bad, you should read this idiots blog.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/badie/entries/2008/05/15/fuss_over_shirt.html

His selective outrage is pathetic. I asked him if Obama needs some “enlightenment” after referring to a woman as “Sweetie”. This article is an Obama infomercial disguised as an Op-Ed.


46 posted on 05/16/2008 8:17:40 AM PDT by Lance Romance
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To: MeanWestTexan
OK, live in ignorance.

Nice. And maybe you should consult with a patent/trademark/copyright attorney before inflicting your novel legal theories upon the rest of us.

47 posted on 05/16/2008 8:21:39 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I have several on my staff.


48 posted on 05/16/2008 8:26:56 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Then for God’s sake, talk to them!


49 posted on 05/16/2008 8:27:50 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Again, the issue is the selective enforcement by the publisher of Curious George, which speaks volumes about its political agenda, not the arcane minutia of intellectual property.

But I would still be happy to answer the minutia in freepmail.


50 posted on 05/16/2008 8:29:15 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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