Posted on 05/16/2008 1:04:28 PM PDT by JRochelle
Newly-announced Obama endorser and superdelegate, Rep. Pete Stark, talking about the California gay marriage decision on XM's POTUS08 earlier today:
Rebecca Roberts, XM: Congressman Pete Stark of California, a new super-delegate for Barack Obama. I wanted to get your reaction, by the way, since you're a Californian, on the Supreme Court decision to overturn the ban on gay marriage.
Stark: I think that was, you know... California usually leads on these issues of human rights and civil rights. I was quite proud of our state supreme court. We're going to have a big fight, because you know, the born-again Christians and their right wing loonies are going to put this thing on the ballot, which you can do easily in California through petitions. So it's going to be a tough fight. It'll be nasty. I find the homophobes become very unpleasant people and we're going to have to work hard to protect human rights in California. I hope we can do it. It would be a sad day for California to start to trash people's constitutional rights.
Somebody said earlier this morning that I — my colleagues, I don't — put their hands on the Bible to support the Constitution, but I've never seen them putting their hands on the Constitution to support the Bible... [Roberts says that's a pretty good line, and Stark returns to the topic.]
And I just think (muffled) we're dealing with people who want to have a responsible realtionship between two-
I wonder what they're going to do with the Mormons. I'd like to put polygamy up if they want to fight this battle. Let's go into Utah and have it out. I mean, I don't have any quarrel with polygamy, as long as they leave little kids alone, which is child abuse.
But if you want to have three husbands, be my guest. I think that to me, that's your decision.
I think it's kind of humorous you're going to find the Mormons leading the fight against gay marriage, which is an interesting commentary on what you believe.
(I would note that Rebecca Roberts of XM is way too classy to bring up Mormons or polygamy in this context; Stark brings up the false stereotype about Mormons on his own.)
Audio here.
So... I wonder how Senator Obama feels about Stark's characterization of the Mormon faith.
UPDATE: Campaign Spot reader Kevin notes, "He may want to check his Funk and Wagnalls, polygamy is having more than one wife, polyandry is having more than one husband."
P.S I had to adjust the title, too long.
Flame incoming.
I’m pretty sure most Mormons want polygamy or gay marriage either.
This congressman is a dolt.
A guy with multiple guys would be ok.
Fortney is one of those buffoons who believes that a bunch of black-robed idiots should ALWAYS trump the will of “We the People” in this country. Good Night America!
I don’t mind if THEY want polygamy, but I have to wonder WHY anybody would WANT more than one spouse!?!?!..........Multiple mothers-in-law is a punishment worse than death!............
Using Stark's logic, we're trampling on the constitutional rights of killers by putting them in prison. And before someone notes that the constitution allows the government to create laws, and laws against murder are among them... You need to solve the paradox that Californians 'voted' to outlaw gay marriage and yet the supreme court of CA claimed that law to be unconstitutional.
Mr Stark is proof that this is a great country. Anybody can get into government no matter how mentally challenged they might be.
All he did was prove the argument that redefining marriage to fit gay marriage is a slippery slope to redefining it for polygamy, beastiality, pedophilia, etc. Stark’s kind used to scream, “slippery slope argument, slippery slope argument,” but he just proved by his words that it was a valid argument. Next up, beastiality, then we’ll start hearing the whining of “who are we to say what the age of consent is, it’s arbitrary anyway.”
Congress has become a worthless bunch of turds. The lot of them.
Agreed. I have never been so depressed about the future...seems like judge-made law is the way we are headed.
The voters just don’t count for much anymore.
Yep. Once gay "marriage" is the law of the land, the rest of the boundaries will come crashing down like dominoes. Why should a few thousand years of hard-won human experience that developed those taboos concern "human rights" geniuses like Fortney? His job is to tear civilization down. Visit San Fransicko and enjoy the "enlightened" stink.
“Mainstreamed” Mormons have more social capital to lose with the legalizatino of polygamy than any other organized group in the country. Over a hundred years of effort to mainstream the cult will have been wiped away by a minority splinter group of polygamists if the polygamists put forward a legal challenge to the definition of marriage as only between two people, in the state of California, in today’s political and judicial climate.
Ask yourself why should polygamists NOT put forth a legal challenge? Ask yourself why a religion that is based on eternal celestial polygamy would NOT want to lose the more valuable social acceptance in the American society rather than follow the word and teachings of their prophets. Profits over prophets argument.
If you are a Mormon that believes the church teachings that one day polygamy is to be legal in this world again, would this not be considered The Sign that the time has come?
The Salt Lake based Church is going to be fighting off attempts by splinter groups to challenge this in California for the next several decades.
Just another idiot spreading joy and wisdom in the hallowed halls of the US Congress.
"Who are you to question our love? This is a civil rights issue, not a religious issue. Stay out of our bedroom."
This turd is a raving lunatic.
Had I not known who said this from the beginning I would have sworn that it was the ramblings of a deranged mental patient.
I agree.
I keep telling myself this is Biblical prophecy writ large. I thought the people paid to represent this country understood that they walk knee-deep in the blood of their countrymen and our forebears. To witness such cowardice, corruption and knavery over and over turns the image of all that white of the DC buildings to melting lava in my mind.
Pirates are everywhere.
can somebody can this jackass?
once all barriers are down, you won't see many gays marrying because they'll find out this country SCREWS married people.......
quick...somebody...find us a country.....or a state ....to move too...
Now THERE's a picture!
OF course; if the Living Prophet® said GOD TOLD ME, and the 12 yesmen agreed; we'd have Flamin' Faith meetings TOMORROW!!
http://www.gaymormonstories.com/
WE elected them!
I know the exodus is frantic but will the last sane human being to leave California please turn off the lights? Thank you.
Stark is not only a hateful jack@ss but he doesn’t know any Mormons. The people who are HURT by polygamy ARE the Mormons because of the misguided idea that it has something to do with them (thanks HBO and NBC!!).
Stark is an atheist just like the large part of the CA Congressional delegation and a clear majority of the CA Dem Party elected crowd. They hate Christians for their belief in values because it is in contrast to the atheist belief in NO VALUES. But they somehow interpret opposition to their views as being evil instead of just wrong. Which tells you a whole lot about the rationality of their arguments.
But if your mothers-in-law are still in their twenties......
Hefner: That's what I told Warren! Drop the underage girls and move his group to California! But did he listen to me? No. Instead, he keeps the underage girls and moves them to Texas. Now look at where he's at... Utah State Prison for life.
How did I know that many would come on this thread and criticize the Mormons and NOT that idiot Stark?
There are mormon polygamist groups, like the FLDS in Texas.
There have been 2 gay Mormons on the show Survivor. One of them even won!
And the last one was a FLAMING homosexual Mormon.
This guy is sick.
He’s a 24 Kt. A-hole. imo
Yes, liberals are so tolerant of those with different religious beliefs.
I take he was an ex-Mormon? As in excommunicated. Practicing homosexuals get the boot.
Congressman Pete Stark of California, a new super-delegate for Barack Obama... "I was quite proud of our state supreme court. We're going to have a big fight, because you know, the born-again Christians and their right wing loonies are going to put this thing on the ballot, which you can do easily in California through petitions... a tough fight. It'll be nasty. I find the homophobes become very unpleasant people... It would be a sad day for California to start to trash people's constitutional rights. Somebody said earlier this morning that I -- my colleagues, I don't -- put their hands on the Bible to support the Constitution, but I've never seen them putting their hands on the Constitution to support the Bible... I wonder what they're going to do with the Mormons. I'd like to put polygamy up if they want to fight this battle. Let's go into Utah and have it out. I mean, I don't have any quarrel with polygamy, as long as they leave little kids alone, which is child abuse... I think it's kind of humorous you're going to find the Mormons leading the fight against gay marriage, which is an interesting commentary on what you believe."Wow, Pete Stark sure is a sphincter!
Ok...
THESE verses are PROBABLY INcorrectly translated...
Genesis 13:13 Now
the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.
Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed,
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Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.
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Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.
2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
But there IS hope!!!
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape.....
TRUTH is unpleasant; isn't it!
Mob Rule is not a paradox in need of resolution. Run from mob rule as fast as your feet can carry you. Is there anything in the California Constitution, or the US Constitution for that matter, that bans gay marriage? If not, there lies your paradox. The Court ruling was right. The voter imposed ban was/is un-Constitutional. You/we may not like that, but that doesn't change a thing. Make the move for a Constitutional Amendment, otherwise, you're wasting your breath. Blackbird.
Thanks in advance. Point me to the clause in California's Constitution (or any other Constitution) that bans Gay Marriage. Unless it's there, this ruling was correct. BTW, "judicial dictators wish to redefine the meaning of the constitution", means what exactly? What is being "redefined" in California's Constitution? Mob rule does not replace Constitutional Governance. Blackbird.
You missed the point of my post. The CA supreme court ruled that one form of deviant behavior is covered by federal equal protection, while others are not. The problem as I see it is that the court is saying a certain class of people have a right that others do not have. The exact opposite of what people think the federal equal protection laws cover. The court is saying that gays have the right to marry as do all others, yet hookers do not have the right to earn a living as do all others. I wholly disagree with your assertion of mob rule. You seem to be suggesting that in place of elections we should have a handful of elites make decisions for us.
"Is there anything in the California Constitution, or the US Constitution for that matter, that bans gay marriage? If not, there lies your paradox." No there is most definitely NOT anything in either document that bans gay marriage. Anything not specifically provided for in the constitution is left to the states to decide. This sentence actually works against your argument, not for it.
Do you have evidence that he is an ex-Mormon?
Stark thinks like most people do, that there are still Mormon polygamists.
He is in fact correct in that area. He just has the FLDS and the LDS confused.
Ignore my last post.
I thought you were refering to Pete Stark as being ex-Mormon.
As for the gay guys on Survivor, no they didn’t say they were ex-Mormon.
The one guy said it was a real survivor, in his life having to deal with being Mormon and being gay.
Feeling same sex attraction and not being able to act on it is no doubt tough.
:’) And heterophobia exists, homophobia doesn’t.
What I am suggesting is (nothing else to be assumed), we are a Representative Republic. We are NOT a Mobocracy. You want Gay Marriage banned, it's time to amend Constitutions. The Legislature CANNOT make Law that stands contrary to that States Constitution. The Courts responded in kind and are 100% correct. The Mob attempted to rule (ain't democracy grand?) and were rightly smacked down.
No there is most definitely NOT anything in either document that bans gay marriage. Anything not specifically provided for in the constitution is left to the states to decide.
Correct!
This sentence actually works against your argument, not for it.
No it does not. It reinforces my above statements, rigidly! You want this Ban, amend your States Constitution. The Courts are removed from the process. Blackbird.
"The Mob attempted to rule (ain't democracy grand?) and were rightly smacked down." Good point! Three judges were mobbed by the other four.
Oh, sorry. I thought you asked what they were going to do with the morons. My bad.
So much for serious discussion. Blackbird.
"Serious discussion?"Perhaps you should just admit publicy that you have no clue what the term “Mobocracy” means. You could’ve saved yourself a significant amount of time. Good day! Blackbird.
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