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Indian village proud after double "honor killing."
Reuters ^ | Fri May 16, 2008 | Simon Denyer

Posted on 05/16/2008 1:28:55 PM PDT by Antioch

Five armed men burst into the small room and courtyard at dawn, just as 21-year-old, 22-week pregnant, Sunita was drying her face on a towel.

They punched and kicked her stomach as she called out for her sleeping boyfriend "Jassa", 22-year-old Jasbir Singh, witnesses said. When he woke, both were dragged into waiting cars, driven away and strangled.

Their bodies, half-stripped, were laid out on the dirt outside Sunita's father's house for all to see, a sign that the family's "honor" had been restored by her cold-blooded murder.

A week later, the village of Balla, just a couple of hours drive from India's capital New Delhi, stands united behind the act, proud, defiant almost to a man.

Among the Jat caste of the conservative northern state of Haryana, it is taboo for a man and woman of the same village to marry. Although the couple were not related, they were seen in this deeply traditional society as brother and sister.

"From society's point of view, this is a very good thing," said 62-year-old farmer Balwan Arya, sitting smoking a hookah in the shade of a tree in a square with other elders from the village council or panchayat. "We have removed the blot."

Growing economic opportunities for young people and lower castes in Haryana have made "love marriages" more common, experts say, and the violent repression of them has risen in tandem as upper caste Jat men fight to hold on to power, status and property.

Sunita's father Om Prakash has confessed to murdering his pregnant daughter and her boyfriend, police told Reuters. An uncle and two cousins were among four others arrested.

But in Balla many people believe the father confessed merely to underline that he supported his daughter's killing, to satisfy honor and protect the real culprits among his family or village.

At their house, Sunita's mother did not emerge to talk. Instead, a young man on a motorbike tried to intimidate the Reuters team into leaving. It turned out he was another of Sunita's cousins, his father and brother held by police.

"We are not ashamed of it, absolutely not, we have the honor of doing the village proud," he said.

"We would not have had a face to show if we had not done this. It was the act of 'real men'."

THE POWER OF UPPER CASTE MEN

The relatively prosperous northern state of Haryana is one of India's most conservative when it comes to caste, marriage and the role of women. Deeply patriarchal, caste purity is paramount and marriages are arranged to sustain the status quo.

Men and women are still murdered across the villages of northern India for daring to marry outside their caste, but in Haryana the practice is widespread, and widely supported.

Here, women veil their faces with scarves in public. The illegal abortion of female fetuses is common, the ratio of women to men in Haryana just 861 to 1,000, the lowest in the country.

Anyone who transgresses social codes, by marrying across caste boundaries or within the same village, is liable to meet the same fate as Sunita and Jasbir.

Many such murders are never reported, hardly any result in prosecution, says Professor Javeed Alam, chairman of the Indian Council of Social Science Research.

"People from the same village are treated as siblings in Haryana," he said. "So this is treated as incest."

Without any law to prohibit this kind of marriage, "the only way you can punish it is by taking the law into your own hands. People believe people who commit incest should be killed".

Nor do politicians ever renounce the practice, Alam added, because if they did, "they would not win elections".

And the legalization of property rights for women in 1956 made love marriages within a village even more dangerous for this elite, as daughters living close to home could in theory claim a part of the family land, sociologist Prem Chowdhry says.

CHILDHOOD SWEETHEARTS

Sunita and Jasbir, sweethearts in the same class at school, had little chance. When he left school a couple of years before her to become an photographer's apprentice, he would often hang around at the school gates to collect her.

She was married off to another man, but left her husband to elope with Jasbir a year-and-a-half ago, and while the families tried to keep them apart, they realized it was a losing battle.

"They were madly in love even to the last day," said Jasbir's 16-year-old sister-in-law Lalita in the house where they lived in Machhroli village, around 35 km (20 miles) by road from Balla.

To make matters worse, Jasbir was from a lower sub-caste, and she was pregnant outside marriage. Sunita's parents in Balla found themselves virtually ostracized.

"Nobody would drink water in our house," Sunita's mother Roshni is reported to have said. "My daughter's action made us aliens in our own land. But we have managed to redeem our honor. She paid for her ill-gotten action."

But among Jasbir's family, split between Machhroli and Balla, grief is mixed with fear.

"Why are you talking to the media?" shouted a female family member at one point. "This will only bring more trouble."

At the small police post in Balla, a constable admitted the case was unlikely to ever reach prosecution, with the village putting enormous pressure on the police, and especially Jasbir's family, to quietly drop the case.

"We are being pressurized into reaching an agreement, a compromise, without even being given time to grieve," said Jasbir's 25-year-old sister Neelam. "We have been told that if we don't compromise, we will suffer the same fate."

In the narrow alleyway outside their tiny house, women wailed in grief. A few hundred yards away, the panchayat sat in quiet self-satisfaction.

"The people who have done this should get an award for it," said 48-year-old Satvir Singh. "This was a murder of morality."


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Satvir Singh really sums it well: "This was a murder of morality."

trying to wrap my head around this one-lets see: Nobody would drink water in Sunita's mother's house because of the dishonour of their daughter falling in love, but now villagers will drink water in her house because five men strangled her daughter....

1 posted on 05/16/2008 1:28:55 PM PDT by Antioch
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“Five armed men burst into the small room and courtyard at dawn, just as 21-year-old, 22-week pregnant, Sunita was drying her face on a towel.

They punched and kicked her stomach as she called out for her sleeping boyfriend “Jassa”, 22-year-old Jasbir Singh, witnesses said. When he woke, both were dragged into waiting cars, driven away and strangled.

Their bodies, half-stripped, were laid out on the dirt outside Sunita’s father’s house for all to see, a sign that the family’s “honor” had been restored by her cold-blooded murder. “

Then they reported to their jobs as Dell tech support specialists.


2 posted on 05/16/2008 1:31:17 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Antioch

Barbara Streisand...where is your outrage? Madonna...to the scene...quickly, Rosie O....Ophrah, why don’t these women show outrage with stuff like this, it’s only news if it happens in America.


3 posted on 05/16/2008 1:33:30 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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Nobody would drink water in Sunita's mother's house

I'd piss in it.

4 posted on 05/16/2008 1:35:06 PM PDT by Sax
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To: Antioch
Was this a Hindu honor killing?
5 posted on 05/16/2008 1:35:43 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Rush on McCain: "We're so screwed.")
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To: Slapshot68

I’ll bet they have a nice call center in town to help get Obamalamadingdong elected!


6 posted on 05/16/2008 1:36:00 PM PDT by Edgar3 (Steve Spurrier for President!)
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To: Antioch
Were the murderers followers of ISLAM by any chance?

I find that NO WHERE in the freaking article.

This PC whitewash of all things ISLAM is such a freaking outrage.

Thank goodness we can discuss things on these forums, because the democrats (both in political power and the media) would never allow important news stories to circulate otherwise.

7 posted on 05/16/2008 1:36:53 PM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: Antioch

these are the rules they set and once the black sheep has been killed everything is back to normal. .


8 posted on 05/16/2008 1:39:16 PM PDT by old-and-old
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To: Antioch
Amazing isn't it???? This is the same kind of nutjob reasoning like the South African 'Virgin Cure' where the HIV positive men rape young girls and infants to cure/prevent the disease.

On days like this....I wonder what is to become of the human race.....

9 posted on 05/16/2008 1:39:38 PM PDT by BossLady ("People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own soul" - Carl Jung)
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Nor do politicians ever renounce the practice, Alam added, because if they did, "they would not win elections".

Politicians are the same all over the globe.......

10 posted on 05/16/2008 1:40:15 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Antioch

Now, now, let’s not be intolerant here. It’s just a cultural difference. Maybe we just don’t understand the people in this village. We must embrace all cultures equally.


11 posted on 05/16/2008 1:40:34 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Antioch

The surname Singh normally designates a Sihk, not a ROPer. I’m wondering if they are ROP converts because I did not think this kind of barbarism was condoned by the Sihks.


12 posted on 05/16/2008 1:41:07 PM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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13 posted on 05/16/2008 1:41:13 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Prole

I doubt Islam was involved. “Singh” is a Sikh name, and the caste system is only followed by Hindus.


14 posted on 05/16/2008 1:41:35 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Antioch
These devil Gobs are the slaves of Satan and this is what the left wants to turn our nation into. Hell they might even be Satan himself in human drag. But they are NOT men but pieces of crap.
15 posted on 05/16/2008 1:41:41 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: Antioch
I see this whitewashed article comes from the scumbags at Al-Reuters.

From Reuters' photographic "reporting" in the Middle East:


16 posted on 05/16/2008 1:41:54 PM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Thats correct, this is a Hindu honor killing.

Honor killings are not limited to Muslims.

There was a notorious case earlier this year about a Kurdish Yazidi honor killing.


17 posted on 05/16/2008 1:41:54 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Slapshot68
it is taboo for a man and woman of the same village to marry.

I'd move........

18 posted on 05/16/2008 1:42:19 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Slapshot68
Then they reported to their jobs as Dell tech support specialists.

Or IBM.
Or Vangard.
Or MediTrans.
Or the IRS.
    ad nauseum

19 posted on 05/16/2008 1:42:54 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Vigilanteman

“Singh” is a common Sikh name, but not exclusively.

I believe this village is Hindu.


20 posted on 05/16/2008 1:43:13 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Antioch

Another reason to thank God I live in the US of A.


21 posted on 05/16/2008 1:43:13 PM PDT by Melinda
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To: Prole; Antioch; All

From “Haryana Travel Guide” at http://www.indiasite.com/haryana/religion.html

Religion & Culture

The People

Haryanavi People Haryana constitues about 2% of the total population of India. A major part of its people live in rural areas and are Hindus.

The Jats are the largest segment of the poulation and are concentrated in Rohtak, Bhiwani, Hisar, Karnal, Gurgaon and nearby areas.

The Ahirs, Rajputs, Gujjars, Bania, Khatris and Sikhs make up for the rest.

The Scheduled Castes are rare, while the artisan castes such as Sunars (goldsmiths), Lohars (blacksmiths), Telis (oil traders) Nais (barbers) and dhobis (launderers) are found throughout the state and especially in villages.

The Schedules castes, normally looked down by the higher castes like the Brahmins and the Rajputs, but in recent times they have been able to progress through reservation in jobs although the basic occupation is agriculture.

Religion

The majority of people in Haryana follow Hinduism and observe traditional Hindu beliefs. The main gods worshipped are Shiva, Vishnu, Rama, Krishna, Hanuman and Kali, apart from others.

Most of the temples are built for Vishnu and Shiva, with the former being more popular as Rama and Narayan.

Muslims make up about 5% of the total population. Although Islam does not preach casteism, there are three categories of Muslims in Haryana. The Asharf or Sharaf (noble) form the higher caste, and the Ajlaf (base or mean) is the middle with Arzal (lowest of all) coming at the end. There are Muslim Rajputs as well as converted Muslims. Christians, Jains and Buddhists are few and scattered across the state, while Sikhs are in large numbers in central and west Haryana.

¤ Rituals

Rituals abound in India, and consequently in Haryana. Simply because without rituals Hinduism would be a damp squib. Marriages, deaths, births, anything and everything – they’re all subjected to a thousand rituals.

¤ Languages

With Hindi, Punjabi and Urdu forming the main languages, there are numerous dialects which are spoken throughout the length and breadth of Haryana.

However, almost all of them have their base in Hindi with a smattering of Urdu and Punjabi thrown in for good measure. In towns and cities, English is still to be adopted as the household lingo, but is spoken in a hazy mixture of Hindi.

The most striking feature of Haryana is its language itself; or rather, the manner in which it is spoken. Popularly known as Haryanavi (also known as Bangru or Jutu).

Trying to speak Haryanavi can be fairly simple for those who speaks Hindi.

¤ Festivals & Fairs

Aah, talk about holidays (or festivals, as they are known in India). In India it seems festivals were invented so that people could stop working. Haryana follows the same principle.

There are the standard Indian festivals like Holi, Diwali, Id, Muharram, Baisakhi – and there is plenty of time left to arrange for fairs and all sorts of events.

Most well attended are the ones which revolve around cattle, or the cattle fairs. Everyone in rural Haryana seems to love cattle, and urban Haryana hates it, especially on their roads. Anyway, cattle fairs are the happening thing here, and if you’re anybody or nobody, you’ve just got to go to one. Remember to take along a nicely cologned handkerchief.
There’s entertainment for women and children too – they can take a ride in a huge circular contraption which goes around in circles with creaking protests. Or they can buy wooden things which only they can put to good use.

¤ The Suraj Kund Crafts Mela

This is one of the best in Haryana if you’re looking for local goodies, ranging from pottery to weaves to stone and wood work.

The standard is rather good, and if you’re here in early February (when the mela happens), you must buy.

The prices are relatively low compared to emporia, and some of the stuff can be amazing. The mela offers a huge variety and additional knowhow can be elicited from the real makers of the goodies instead of bored shopkeepers. Oh yes, the venue is Suraj Kund.


23 posted on 05/16/2008 1:45:39 PM PDT by WL-law
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To: Prole; rightwingintelligentsia

I’m not certain, but I’m leaning toward Hindu based on the “Jat caste” reference.


24 posted on 05/16/2008 1:45:44 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Frank_2001

Interestingly, the caste system is actually still present among many Sikhs and Muslims of the region, tacitly at least. In Pakistan there is a lot of this in the villages, where high-caste families lord it over the low.


25 posted on 05/16/2008 1:46:16 PM PDT by buwaya
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"We would not have had a face to show if we had not done this. It was the act of 'real men'."

Real men kick pregnant women in the stomach and then strangle them to death?

26 posted on 05/16/2008 1:46:29 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: buwaya
Got it.

The thing that boils my blood is that we all know that these people use their "religion" as the reason for committing murder.

The thing that REALLY angers me is the fact that Reuters makes no mention of their RELIGION being the primary motivator in the murder. Reuters only makes note of religion when it is connected to crimes committed by Judeo-Christian western folks.

Otherwise, it ain't gonna make the headlines because the b@st@rds at Reuters will forever run cover for Islamic terrorists and folks who are a cut from the same disgusting cloth.

Reuters is Josef Goebbels' dream come true.

27 posted on 05/16/2008 1:46:49 PM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: Antioch

Bet they would not take to kindly to a homosexual marriage.


28 posted on 05/16/2008 1:46:53 PM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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“Then they reported to their jobs as Dell tech support specialists.”

That does it! I know that all cultures are of equal value but this is just about the limit that I can take. No more Dell products for me.


29 posted on 05/16/2008 1:47:36 PM PDT by 353FMG (Don't make the mistake to think that Government is a Friend of the People)
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Their bodies, half-stripped, were laid out on the dirt outside Sunita's father's house for all to see, a sign that the family's "honor" had been restored

Celebrate Diversity!

30 posted on 05/16/2008 1:48:01 PM PDT by Wil H
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"62-year-old farmer Balwan Arya, sitting smoking a hookah"

Muslim!

31 posted on 05/16/2008 1:50:41 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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Thats correct, this is a Hindu honor killing.

The young man's name, "Singh," leads me to believe that he, at least, was Sikh rather than Hindu.

32 posted on 05/16/2008 1:50:54 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Antioch
The relatively prosperous northern state of Haryana is one of India's most conservative when it comes to caste, marriage and the role of women. Deeply patriarchal, caste purity is paramount and marriages are arranged to sustain the status quo.

There is an old Thai saying (Buddhist people's - not religious saying), "If you see a snake and an 'Indian Hindu' quickly kill the Indian." Not very PC but aimed at the arrogance of the caste system.

33 posted on 05/16/2008 1:51:34 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: DuncanWaring

Jats were originally an ethnic designation, they are a culturally distinct bunch, with somewhat different customs than other Indians, but interestingly they don’t seem to have a distinct language.

There are Hindu, Sikh and Muslim Jats.


34 posted on 05/16/2008 1:52:43 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: r9etb

“Singh” is not necessarily a Sikh name. There are Hindu Singh’s.


35 posted on 05/16/2008 1:53:36 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: RoseofTexas

Hookah’s are common across Asia, and are not specific to Muslims.


36 posted on 05/16/2008 1:54:58 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Prole

no the names sound both Hindu and Sikh


37 posted on 05/16/2008 1:55:41 PM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: Antioch
Diversity
38 posted on 05/16/2008 1:56:04 PM PDT by redreno
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LOL


39 posted on 05/16/2008 2:00:57 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Prole

In this case, and for most of them in fact, it is not religion that justifies the killing, but custom.

The driver is not some version of Leviticus that requires a rigid response to a specific sin, but social status and personal values independent of religion. The key to this one is the shame and ostracism of the girls family.

There is nothing in any variety of Hindu belief as such, that I know of, that calls for such murders. There is nothing in some holy book that requires it.

Now, the customs and the religion often get conflated as the whole thing comes as a package with a given culture (and a certain culture may be carried by a religion, as very strict Muslims impose medieval Arab culture as part of the religious package, in the form of the Sunnah), but there certainly are cultures where a given religion comes with a very different set of customs.


40 posted on 05/16/2008 2:04:56 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Antioch

The only way to deal with this crap is to place everyone involved in a permanent and public state of shame. The village should have its roads destroyed, be denied running water and/or have its wells collapsed, have its crops burned and the people have their foreheads tattooed with the word “unclean”.

Yes, that brutal. They must be utterly ruined as an example to every other tribe and family in the region.


41 posted on 05/16/2008 2:05:32 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Antioch

Savages.

India loves to pretend to be such a superior world power, a superior culture.......but not with THIS kind of s**t still going on in their society.

Disgusting.


42 posted on 05/16/2008 2:06:53 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Antioch

Everything about this is horrible and the story is framed to be just that by the writer.

Villages (and most of the current human race) preaching morality is nothing new. With exception to the MSM and their liberal gods, who preach that believing in morality is completely wrong, anything goes and tradition is idiocy.

So to bolster that ideology they go after and print this story which is so outrageous it paints a stain on morality of any kind. The writer even gets to toss in the word “conservative” a time or two for American audience impact.

And I’m sure the MSM is heartbroken this wasn’t a pair of gay lovers. If it was, that story would be a three pager, with a weekend follow up.


43 posted on 05/16/2008 2:20:34 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: Vigilanteman

I saw a Sikh man walking in the village a couple weeks ago. His wife was walking a full ten paces behind him. Hmmmm,,, I need to know more about fundamentalist Sikhs.


44 posted on 05/16/2008 2:21:20 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: RightOnline

India is still a very medieval place, as is most of the world.

The common state of humanity is still very much like Europe around the twelfth century, if that. And Europe of the twelfth century wasn’t all learned philosophers and sensitive poets. European peasants lived a life of animalistic brutality by our standards.


45 posted on 05/16/2008 2:21:52 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Prole

Based on all the caste references, it sounds as if the killers were Hindu.


46 posted on 05/16/2008 2:31:39 PM PDT by tbw2 ("Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" by Tamara Wilhite - on amazon.com)
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To: 353FMG

Well heck, how am I going to get my laptop fixed NOW??


47 posted on 05/16/2008 2:31:43 PM PDT by dusttoyou
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To: tbw2
Understood.

Thanks for the clarification.

I always remember that Reuters intentionally removes "Muslim" from any report about murder, rape or terrorism anywhere Islam is the primary motivation for the crime.

48 posted on 05/16/2008 2:37:03 PM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Wasn’t suttee (widow burning) ended only by hanging those who torched the widow?


49 posted on 05/16/2008 2:37:30 PM PDT by tbw2 ("Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" by Tamara Wilhite - on amazon.com)
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To: Antioch

from wikipedia

Religion
Jat people are followers of many faiths. Today they follow Hinduism, Islam, and Sikhism. As per Indian caste system Jat people are classified in Hinduism as Kshatriyas.


50 posted on 05/16/2008 2:43:56 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (The FReeper Foxhole. America's history, America's soul.)
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