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Obama in a sea of people - creative editing from the folks at AP.
NY Times, Salem News, KPIC ^ | 5/18/2008 | Larry Rohter

Posted on 05/18/2008 8:28:27 PM PDT by xDGx

[quote]Obama Draws Record Crowd in Oregon

An estimated 75,000 gathered on the banks of the Willamette River in Portland on Sunday to see Barack Obama. “Wow! Wow! Wow!” were his first words, as he surveyed the multitude, which included people in kayaks and small pleasure craft on the river.[/quote]

Two pictures were included to show Obama in a sea of people:


(Excerpt) Read more at thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: clinton; fake; fauxtography; hillary; obama; picture; pictures; primaries
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To: tina07
Thanks for the head's up.

An Australian newspaper's blog is posting the shaped photos for folks to comment on:

From the Australian newspaper's site:

The Sydney Morning Herald's White House 2008 page:

http://blogs.smh.com.au/whitehouse08/archives/2008/05/obama_the_oregon_trail_and_the.html

101 posted on 05/19/2008 1:37:10 AM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: tina07
Incidentally, that site is not a free-for-all blog.

It appears to be officially controlled by the staff at SMH.

From the bottom of the SMH article and AP photos:

"Posted by SMH Online May 19, 2008 1:21 PM"

Another shaped AP photo from the site:


102 posted on 05/19/2008 1:41:14 AM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: All

The same kind of terrorists who did this support Barack Obama. An awesome video every America should be required to view:

http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/


103 posted on 05/19/2008 3:49:36 AM PDT by cyberella
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To: xDGx

So the bottom line is simply the normal size for the annual Blues festival/boat regatta w/free beer and music with some photoshopping to appear larger?


104 posted on 05/19/2008 4:10:54 AM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: xDGx

The crowd looks Hitleresque to me


105 posted on 05/19/2008 5:00:51 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The Bitcons will elect a Democrat by default)
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To: xDGx
Obama.

Let me see if I have this straight.

His father was Kenyan, Moslem, black. We have seen pictures of his African 'family.'

His mother is a white, atheistic Kansan.

Where are the pictures of his Kansan, white mother and his white grandparents who raised him?

His father deserted his mother and him when he was very young and went back to his family in Kenya.

His mother returned to Hawaii and he was raised by his white Kansan grandparents.

HE later went to the best and costliest schools. How?

He lives in a $1.4 million dollar house that he aquired through a deal with a wealthy fund raiser. How?

He 'worked' as a civil rights activist in Chicago. The presidency is not a civil rights post nor is it subject to affirmative action set asides.

He entered politics at the state level and then the national level without minimal experience.

He is proud of his 'African heritage' but it seems that his only African connection was that his African father got a white girl pregnant and then deserted her. I didn't know that sperm carried a 'cultural' gene. Where is the pride in his white culture?

He goes to a 'Afrocentric' church that hates whites, hates jews, and blames America for all the world's perceived faults and then repeatedly covers up for the pastor and the church.

He claims that he could not confront his pastor but he wants us to believe that he can confront North Korea and Iran.

Yes, I fail miserably at attempting to see how he could be a uniter and bring us together.

I think that the 'hope' is that he hopes no one will be capable of asembling the pieces of this puzzle.

106 posted on 05/19/2008 5:42:58 AM PDT by ajodl
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To: xDGx; Richard Kimball; Milhous; abb
I'm no Obama supporter, but that's a darned good crowd. I don't think the photographer did anything underhanded or anything. I used a telephoto to flatten the crowd and cropped to cut out the dead part of the stadium steps, etc. I'll admit I get aggravated when photographers stage eight people together and crop tight to make it look like a big crowd, but 80,000 is a heck of a crowd. All they did was record it dramatically.
Drama and accuracy are two different animals. If you are trying to sell shots showing lots of people and their team (or voters and their messiah) then you present them in their most favorable light. If you are trying to report ACCURATELY on an event, you don't selectively edit your image to make it appear that it is something it is not. Everyone has an idea of the relative capacity of a stadium. It provides scope and scale to reference a crowd against. A limitless sea of people provides no such scale, no horizons or boundaries. Even in Texas stadiums do not extend to infinity. Nor in Portland do Obama rallies. AP (& the photo editors) are telling a story that is not there.

Playing fast & loose with numbers is an old canard (think 'Million Man March') and is a ploy to disillusion opposition. And like negative advertising, it works (sadly). Take a look at the weekend news photo leads and compare those of Obama with those of Clinton. Similar delegates in both states (51 vs. 52, IIRC) and one favors one candidate (by about 12 points) while the other favors the other (by a larger margin). Tell me the coverage is equal. Tell me the pictures coming out of each state are telling the same story. Tell me there is no bias in the people who are deciding which pictures get trotted out as 'objective news'. As for sports photography, I can slap a 300/2.8 on one of the Nikons and create drama too. But one is nothing more than wrasslin, while the other is determining the fate of a nation. Creative editing has no place in the news business.

Excellent discussion. Both of you are right, of course, in your own way - and IMHO both are wrong. RK is wrong in the way that xDGx explains, but xDGx is wrong in that last line.

The news business is all about editing. Journalists claim to be objective - which should be your first hint that they are nothing of the sort. Although the newspaper obviously predates the Revolution, it is not true that news - or even printing news - has remained the same business. The transformational technology was the telegraph, exploited by the Associated Press. Before the telegraph, printers lacked a source of news independent of physical transportation - and therefore were not in the business of telling people what was going on. They called them "newspapers" even back then - but only after the advent of the telegraph did they actually have a perishable commodity - news the public hadn't heard yet - to sell before its "sell by" date. The claim of journalistic objectivity traces back to the need of journalists in town A to sell news from town B when the newspaper in town A had no reporters in town B.

Journalists claim to be objective because it helps them sell their product. That is their interest, not "the public interest." Journalists have claimed to be objective ever since the Associated Press began, a century and a half ago; it is unlikely that anyone alive today even heard from her grandparents what it was like when newspapers actually were fractiously independent and didn't allow each other to claim to be objective. The more journalists are able to claim objectivity, the more certain we may be that they are not objective. They are selling something - the idea that whatever they know over the AP newswire is important simply because you haven't heard it yet. The news business is a propaganda business. Nothing more. Creative editing is only to be expected.


107 posted on 05/19/2008 5:48:37 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Thomas Sowell for President)
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To: xDGx

They must have taken lessons in doctoring photos from Reuters. If you look closely in the crowd you can see the “green helmet” man and the woman whose house in several different parts of Lebanon was blown up repeatedly by Israeli bombs.


108 posted on 05/19/2008 6:10:37 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: nwrep
The fact remains that it was a bigger crowd than any Republican will get anywhere this year (2008), but still not any indication of what will happen in November.

I can't agree with this enough. Whether it was 50,000 or 75,000 people, McCain won't be drawing crowds like that. He's not that charismatic and he just doesn't draw in the young people who are willing to give up an afternoon like that.

Given that it's still technically a primary (although the only question left is when is Hillary dropping out), it's pretty amazing.

Thinking about it - this extended primary season has helped Obama a lot. Sure, Rush Limbaugh wanted people to vote for Hillary to "hurt the Democrats" (when in reality Rush stood to make a ton of money if Hillary would have gotten the nomination) and Rush kept saying it would hurt the Democrats, but Obama has now campaigned in states where the Republicans did not have to, and Obama now has organizations setup in those states who are going to be ready this fall. Given the state of McCain's fundraising and state-level organizations, I'd be pretty worried if I was running his campaign.
109 posted on 05/19/2008 6:38:26 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
That 'creative editing' is to be expected from the current lot of 'journalists' does not validate it as news.

Go back to the NC State Obama Rally images.

The cropped image presented as 'news'

The image that was not circulated showing a decidedly different message.

Now let's look at the The Elements of Journalism

http://www.answers.com/journalism&r=67

According to The Elements of Journalism by Bill Kovach and Tom Rosensteil, there are nine elements of journalism

In order for a journalist to fulfill their duty of providing the people with the information they need to be free and self-governing, they must follow these guidelines:

Journalism's first obligation is to the truth.

Its first loyalty is to the citizens.

Its essence is discipline of verification.

Its practitioners must maintain an independence from those they cover.

It must serve as an independent monitor of power.

It must provide a forum for public criticism and compromise.

It must strive to make the significant interesting, and relevant.

It must keep the news comprehensive and proportional.

Its practitioners must be allowed to exercise their personal conscience.

I submit to you that the 'creative cropping' (and now negative imagery of Hillary) used wholesale by the MSM in their adulative veneration of Obama is anything but journalism.

This of course is not news ;)

110 posted on 05/19/2008 6:57:54 AM PDT by xDGx
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To: F15Eagle
For it to more nearly mirror Revelation, Hillary!™ needs to be nearly successful in arranging a face-to-face meeting between Barrack Obama and Teddy Kennedy...

Revelation 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

111 posted on 05/19/2008 7:11:35 AM PDT by null and void (The one word of Chinese our congress really understands is 'kowtow')
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To: xDGx

Change we can believe in?


112 posted on 05/19/2008 7:15:01 AM PDT by equaviator ("There's a plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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To: exit82
What, no pictures of him throwing water bottles out to the fainting masses? Some messiah!

Maybe they came to see him pass out the loaves and the fishes.

113 posted on 05/19/2008 7:17:46 AM PDT by Marathoner ("Only Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama can get me to vote for John McCain." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Pharmboy
"He turned the Evian into wine, dintja hear?"

Must be in the fifth Gospel. My copy only has four. ;)

114 posted on 05/19/2008 7:32:59 AM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: Blogger
Never thought he would be an American though.

Nor did I. The Bible is mute with regards to America.

Still, why not?

115 posted on 05/19/2008 7:37:12 AM PDT by null and void (The one word of Chinese our congress really understands is 'kowtow')
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To: nwrep
The fact remains that it was a bigger crowd than any Republican will get anywhere this year (2008)

There is a real Republican running? Where???

116 posted on 05/19/2008 7:39:29 AM PDT by null and void (The one word of Chinese our congress really understands is 'kowtow')
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To: xDGx


(AP, 2004)"So if the reports about Oregon are true, and 60,000 people showed up for a Kerry rally, Karl Rove may have just lost the expectations game."
117 posted on 05/19/2008 7:39:32 AM PDT by roses of sharon ( (Who will be McCain's maverick?))
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To: fella
But .......... But ................ Where are all the torch carriers marching in formation?

Same place, three years in the future.

Whether they will be raising the other arm in a salute, or carrying pitchforks depends on how successful he is...

118 posted on 05/19/2008 7:44:29 AM PDT by null and void (The one word of Chinese our congress really understands is 'kowtow')
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To: roses of sharon
That is a BRILLIANT picture! (too bad Kerry deleted the larger original from his blog) You are a gem! :)

And guess what a more tightly cropped shot looks like? (from the same source ;)

AP & Reuters should really be comparing this first of a kind record-shattering triumph to the latest first of a kind record-shattering triumph ;)

119 posted on 05/19/2008 7:52:28 AM PDT by xDGx
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To: ajodl
HE later went to the best and costliest schools. How?

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120 posted on 05/19/2008 8:00:04 AM PDT by null and void (The one word of Chinese our congress really understands is 'kowtow')
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
The more journalists are able to claim objectivity, the more certain we may be that they are not objective. They are selling something - the idea that whatever they know over the AP newswire is important simply because you haven't heard it yet. The news business is a propaganda business. Nothing more.

Wow.

121 posted on 05/19/2008 8:02:16 AM PDT by null and void (The one word of Chinese our congress really understands is 'kowtow')
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To: af_vet_rr
(although the only question left is when is Hillary dropping out)

She won't. After all, Obama might have an 'accident'...

122 posted on 05/19/2008 8:05:05 AM PDT by null and void (The one word of Chinese our congress really understands is 'kowtow')
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To: ajodl
Could it be?


124 posted on 05/19/2008 8:14:23 AM PDT by Lady Jag (You can contribute to FR any time at https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
1  And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

125 posted on 05/19/2008 8:21:05 AM PDT by Lady Jag (You can contribute to FR any time at https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate)
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To: xDGx

They make it look like those mob scenes at the Mecca mosque.


126 posted on 05/19/2008 8:34:00 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: xDGx
BHO - der Schwarz Fuhrer
127 posted on 05/19/2008 8:41:08 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: Polyxene
Hmmmmmm.

I'm tempted to rewrite your tagline:

For where God built a Temple, there the Devil would also build a mosque - Martin Luther, paraphrased

128 posted on 05/19/2008 9:02:22 AM PDT by null and void (The one word of Chinese our congress really understands is 'kowtow')
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To: null and void

I have read more than a few theories that Babylon the Great represents America. I’m not saying I agree, but it is interesting to read Rev. 17 and 18 in that hypothetical context.


129 posted on 05/19/2008 9:14:04 AM PDT by 444Flyer (John 3)
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To: xDGx
That 'creative editing' is to be expected from the current lot of 'journalists' does not validate it as news.
I am saying that "the current lot of journalists" is as good as any past lot of journalists.

That is, I am pointing out that journalism is completely cynical about the public and about its own "ethical standards." And that the only coherent response is to be completely cynical about journalism.

The Right to Know


130 posted on 05/19/2008 9:14:11 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Thomas Sowell for President)
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To: null and void
The more journalists are able to claim objectivity, the more certain we may be that they are not objective. They are selling something - the idea that whatever they know over the AP newswire is important simply because you haven't heard it yet. The news business is a propaganda business. Nothing more.
Someone who liked that may also like this.

131 posted on 05/19/2008 9:22:00 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Thomas Sowell for President)
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To: 444Flyer; Alas Babylon!

See post #129...


132 posted on 05/19/2008 9:40:42 AM PDT by null and void (The one word of Chinese our congress really understands is 'kowtow')
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To: F15Eagle
“Sorry, there's just too much creepy about this guy. When I saw “sea” it reminded me of Revelation 13 again.”

Revelation 12:13 “When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.”

Israel=the woman
Jesus Christ the Messiah=the male child

Satan's counterfeit of “the male child” will be a male (the Antichrist is always referred to as a “he” in scripture) whom the dragon (Satan) will give power and his throne and his authority (Rev. 13:2) “...The whole world was astonished and followed the beast (Rev. 13:3)

Because Satan is an enemy and adversary to Israel, the Antichrist will also be an enemy to her and seek out her destruction. The most deceptive part is that it will appear at first that this person is “friendly” toward her by garnering a (false) “peace” agreement for her.

One thing's for sure, the Antichrist will appear at some point on earth and his followers will be blind to his deceit. Very likely similar to what we are witnessing in the following of Obama. It does make you go hmmm...

133 posted on 05/19/2008 9:48:59 AM PDT by 444Flyer (John 3)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Someone who liked that may also like this.

Someone did.

134 posted on 05/19/2008 9:50:22 AM PDT by null and void (The one word of Chinese our congress really understands is 'kowtow')
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To: xDGx
Another big turnout for a "messiah".....


135 posted on 05/19/2008 9:54:31 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: martin_fierro

LOL; bingo. Funny, but sad.


136 posted on 05/19/2008 9:57:36 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: martin_fierro

Just found this site, must see -

http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/


137 posted on 05/19/2008 10:38:19 AM PDT by HAL9000 ("No one made you run for president, girl."- Bill Clinton)
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To: The Shrew

Pingaroo.


138 posted on 05/19/2008 11:00:08 AM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: 444Flyer

There’s sure a lot of folks going cuckoo over Obamessiah...


139 posted on 05/19/2008 12:39:04 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Ron in Acreage
Did the article mention the free Dave Matthews concert and free beer for all before Obama showed up?

Did they in fact do that, it's no where in the news.

140 posted on 05/19/2008 1:24:37 PM PDT by SJackson (It is impossible to build a peace process based on blood, Natan Sharansky)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

Meanwhile...

> The ones of Hillary are showing her talking to small crowds of ‘stereotypical’ country folk.


141 posted on 05/19/2008 11:16:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: PhilDragoo; Fiddlstix; devolve; potlatch; y'all

Well! The AP is simply tryin’ to hep out
their GOOD friend ... the Obamassiah !!!!


142 posted on 05/20/2008 6:44:50 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO makes me wanna reach across the aisle, too. And SLAP some sense into the fools !!)
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To: MeekOneGOP
End notes on the 2004 Kerry rally in Portland. (Looks just like the Obama concert that drew "75,000" doesn't it?)

The Oregonian reported 12,000 as the crowd size, while others said 40,000.

Jon Bon Jovi (who 'opened' for Kerry) should know better than any how big a crowd is.

His speech:

Portland Rally 8/13/04

Jon's Speech:

Alexander Hamilton said, "You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything." So, today I make a stand here in Oregon. Today, you have made a stand in Oregon. The country knows that 30,000 people on a Friday afternoon, who could and should be at work right now, are here to support of who we hope will be our next president.

It is in fact time for a change in our country--we know that. How can we build fire houses in Iraq when they're closing fire fighters houses here in the states (pointing to the fire fighters in yellow) These brave men and women put their lives on the line for you. They run in without a moments notice to protect us, to take care of us, as do our policemen, as do our soldiers.

I believe in this country. I've traveled the world and I've worn the flag on my back with pride. I'm saddened now when I travel the world and the world looks at me and says, "What happened to your America?" I tell them that I still have faith in my America. My America is strong. I believe my America still has dreams. And I refuse to be afraid to speak out as an American. And I will in fact fight for everybody's right to speak out because that's what our forefathers fought for. And in the optimism that I have in my belly when I look at my children, when I look at your children that come and see me perform, I believe in the future of America with John Kerry.

Thank you for allowing me to be here, allowing Mr. Richie Sambora to be here

Bottom line: Free beer & Rock stars can draw a good crowd anywhere. Democratic candidates by themselves don't (see the NC auditorium photos). And either with or without 'help' from movie & rock stars, the press will give them a pass.

143 posted on 05/21/2008 9:47:55 AM PDT by xDGx
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To: xDGx

buuuuuuuuummmp !!

Welcome to FR. :)


144 posted on 05/21/2008 10:08:29 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO makes me wanna reach across the aisle, too. And SLAP some sense into the fools !!)
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To: Blogger

Fourty and two months...From January 20, 2009 takes us to June 20, 2012. When does the Mayan calendar end?


145 posted on 05/21/2008 10:30:37 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Richard Kimball

Looks like Farrakhan’s long lost son


146 posted on 05/22/2008 4:51:30 AM PDT by Blogger
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