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Announcing the Montana Sportsmen for Obama Committee
"American Hunters and Shooters" ^ | 5/19/08 | Schoenke

Posted on 05/19/2008 1:28:11 PM PDT by pabianice

Today, as president of the American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA), I announced our endorsement of Senator Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination for president of the United States. Because the gun issue has recently become a factor in the Democratic primary in Pennsylvania, I want to share the remarks I made today:

As a gun rights organization we have not come to this decision lightly. We were formed two years ago because our research shows that millions of gun owners wanted a change. They not only wanted an organization that would protect their gun rights but an organization that was also committed to the protection of their communities as well as the protection of our lands.

We believe recent attacks on Senator Obama's stand on the 2nd Amendment and his commitment to our hunting and shooting heritage are unfair and American Hunters and Shooters Association is stepping up to set the record straight.

Senator Obama has clearly demonstrated his commitment to the 2nd Amendment by his vote in support of the Vitter amendment to HR 5441, the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations bill of 2007. This amendment prevents the Government from confiscating guns in a time of crisis or emergency.

More:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ray-schoenke/hunters-and-...

Montana Sportsmen for Obama By Christopher Hass - Apr 23rd, 2008 at 4:51 pm EDT

HELENA, MT – The Obama campaign announced today the formation of the Montana Sportsmen for Obama Committee on a press conference call with reporters. Members of the committee cited Senator Obama’s commitment to supporting the rights and tradition of sportsmen, and the need to address the conservation challenge in Montana and across America.

“Hunting and angling are important traditions in Montana, passed from generation to generation,” said Steve Doherty, former Montana Senate Minority Leader and Chair of the Montana Fish, Wildlife, and Parks Commission. “Sen. Obama understands the challenges Montana’s hunters and anglers face from dwindling wildlife and climate change, and he is committed to preserving our lands and protecting natural habitats.”

“Senator Obama believes in protecting gun rights and respects the Second Amendment and the constitutional right of Americans to bear arms,” said Rep. Kendall Van Dyk (D-Billings), House Democratic Chair of the Montana Legislative Sportsman Caucus.

“Obama gets the connection between global warming and wildlife and habitat. He supports common sense solutions, endorsed by dozens of America’s premier hunting and angling organizations including our very own Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation here in Montana, that will reduce the effects of climate change on wildlife.” said Land Tawney, an avid sportsman and leader in the conservation community. “Access here a big issue for sportsmen in Montana and as a US Senator he supported Open Fields Incentive legislation which provides federal money for public access to private land programs.”

More: http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupda...

Stung by recent accusations that he doesn’t support the best interests of hunters, anglers and gun owners, presidential candidate Barack Obama had his campaign office hold a press conference call 14 April to refute those claims and show “Senator Obama’s commitment to the rights and traditions of Montana’s sportsmen.”

An impressive line up spoke on Obama’s behalf, starting with Fish, Wildlife and Parks Commission chairman and former state senator Steve Doherty, who pointed out that roughly half of the people in Montana’s hunt or fish and that he believed Obama would more strongly represent hunters, anglers and gun owners than Hillary Clinton.

Kendall Van Dyk, a member of the Montana House of Representatives and chair of the Legislative Sportsman’s Caucus, gave examples of where Obama had voted for gun rights and Hillary had not. “He (Obama) understands the importance of the Second Amendment,” Van Dyk emphasized.

Capping off the discussion was Land Tawney, active in many conservation groups such as the Hellgate Hunters and Anglers, National Wildlife Federation and Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership.

More: http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/motnana_conservati...

See also: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: ahsa; banglist; fraud; mt2008; obama
There is no lie the Libs won't tell to get elected. And conservatives just sit on their hands and complain.
1 posted on 05/19/2008 1:31:32 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice
More on the "American Hunters and Shooters Association".
2 posted on 05/19/2008 1:34:09 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: pabianice

another liberal faux-gun organization.

2A is not about sprotsmen.


3 posted on 05/19/2008 1:34:49 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: pabianice
Somehow I thing that this "association" is not your typical western shooters association in the least. Probably a "front" to make it appear as if though Obama is getting support where he is not...IOW, a lie.


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Barack Hussein Obama is the very apex of the anti-American, internal enemy in this country. IMHO, his election as President would be the greatest coup an enemy has ever scored against our nation, and could well turn into the greatest disaster this nation has ever faced.

AUDACITY OF TRUTH-BARACK OBAMA

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4 posted on 05/19/2008 1:34:49 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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Dear Saint Obama:

The Second Amendment is not about “Sportsmen”.


5 posted on 05/19/2008 1:35:25 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: pabianice
Typical fudds "I dun care long as they don't touch me huntin' guns" and "a good hunter should only need one shot so five rounds is more then enough".

These guys are the enemy among us. They are at the gates, they're IN the gates.

This bunch of fudds are going to have a heart attack when Obama and company goes after "sniper rifles" (30-30, 30-06, .338 win mag, .308, etc etc after they are finished with "assault weapons".

6 posted on 05/19/2008 1:36:52 PM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: Retired Greyhound
...another liberal faux-gun organization.....

True! See the current issues of the NRA magazine--should be available at NRA.org.

7 posted on 05/19/2008 1:36:56 PM PDT by GunsareOK
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To: Domandred
Sigh perfectly good comment ruined by failure to proof read. Should be: They aren't at the gates, they're IN the gates.
8 posted on 05/19/2008 1:38:26 PM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: pabianice

I have a feeling these “gun enthusiasts” also hold tupperware parties.


9 posted on 05/19/2008 1:38:33 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: pabianice

Barbara Streisand!


10 posted on 05/19/2008 1:40:39 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: pabianice
"We believe recent attacks on Senator Obama's stand on the 2nd Amendment and his commitment to our hunting and shooting heritage are unfair..."

Here we go again with the naive "he supports hunting" nonsense.

As we always have to point out....that's not what it's about.

11 posted on 05/19/2008 1:40:43 PM PDT by n230099 ("If you don't blame the camera for porn, then don't blame the gun for shootings". (Unknown))
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To: D-fendr
The Second Amendment is not about “Sportsmen”.

NO KIDDING.....IT'S ABOUT SELF-DEFENSE AND DEFENSE FROM TYRANTS

HERE THAT OBAMA?

12 posted on 05/19/2008 1:41:31 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: Domandred

“This bunch of fudds are going to have a heart attack when Obama and company goes after “sniper rifles” (30-30, 30-06, .338 win mag, .308, etc etc after they are finished with “assault weapons”.”

Hey, but we can always hunt with a single shot shotgun, a bow, a rock, or our bare hands (all duly registered, of course)...


13 posted on 05/19/2008 1:42:54 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: DuncanWaring
Ahh, I thought I recognized that group's name. Thanks for the link. [unprintable] snakes!
14 posted on 05/19/2008 1:43:15 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (El Conservo Tribal Name: Fishes with Dynamite)
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To: pabianice
They post a link to the democratic underground?!
15 posted on 05/19/2008 1:43:19 PM PDT by AU72
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To: pabianice

The Onion??
Scrappleface?
AZconservative?


16 posted on 05/19/2008 1:43:24 PM PDT by xcamel (Forget the past and you're doomed to repeat it.)
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To: Slapshot68

Where is the “American Hunters and Shooters” association located, Brokeback Montana?


17 posted on 05/19/2008 1:43:46 PM PDT by dblshot
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To: pabianice
AHSA is nothing more than a Trojan horse. They are totally in the hands of anti gunners. That they support B Hussein Obama is no surprise since he believes that no one should own a firearm at all, least of all for self defense.
18 posted on 05/19/2008 1:44:25 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

It’s an anti-gun group. That’s not opinion, it’s what they are. It’s run by a big-time contributor to Democrats and anti-gun groups like HCI.


19 posted on 05/19/2008 1:51:52 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Domandred

Don’t assume that this organization has any existence other than to endorse leftist candidates or that it has any members or supports any programs.


20 posted on 05/19/2008 1:58:57 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: DuncanWaring

Thanks


21 posted on 05/19/2008 2:00:13 PM PDT by griswold3 (Al queda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: pabianice

Gee, it’s kind of funny it costs nothing at all to join. Just fill out the form. It’s a wonder they aren’t paying the people that join!


22 posted on 05/19/2008 2:00:38 PM PDT by guppas (Kick their ass -- Take their gas!)
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To: AlaskaErik

I want him to come to my door personally and try to take mine :)


23 posted on 05/19/2008 2:00:48 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: pabianice
"“Senator Obama believes in protecting gun rights and respects the Second Amendment and the constitutional right of Americans to bear arms,” said Rep. Kendall Van Dyk (D-Billings), House Democratic Chair of the Montana Legislative Sportsman Caucus."

Liar!

24 posted on 05/19/2008 2:05:32 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: DuncanWaring

This is a left wing organization. Check out this link.

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/3725


25 posted on 05/19/2008 2:06:17 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Thank you, Jimmy Carter for all you've done to make the world a safer place.)
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To: pabianice

I am stunned.

That the Brady-in-disguise ASHA would endorse the most extreme anti-gunner is amazing.

I’m guessing there are still a few people out there that don’t know about the ASHA subterfuge.


26 posted on 05/19/2008 2:07:06 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: pabianice

And the first meeting will be held in a phone booth.


27 posted on 05/19/2008 2:07:31 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: nikos1121

Such a bogus organization.


28 posted on 05/19/2008 2:09:19 PM PDT by sitkaspruce
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To: Jeff Head
Somehow I thing that this "association" is not your typical western shooters association in the least. Probably a "front" to make it appear as if though Obama is getting support where he is not...IOW, a lie.

Yes, you are correct: it is indeed a lie --- and it is furthermore a fraudulent organization that intends to dupe people into giving up their Second Amendment rights:





·11250 Waples Mill Road ·   Fairfax, Virginia 22030    ·800-392-8683

 
Anti-Gunners Don Camo As Elections Loom
 

Seeking to pick up the baton dropped by the ham-fisted Americans for Gun Safety, the American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) has arrived on the scene to become the latest front group for the anti-gun movement in America.

BY CHRIS W. COX, NRA-ILA Executive Director

Tracking the recent history of the Second Amendment debate wouldn’t be complete without a look at the shifting tactics of the opposition. Our tireless efforts and resulting victories at the ballot box have made it clear that openly campaigning against the Second Amendment is a political loser. The anti-gun groups have undertaken a concerted effort to mask their long-term agenda, but only as a mark of pure, calculating political expedience.

It surprised no one when Handgun Control, Inc., decided to change its name to the decidedly vague “Brady Campaign.” But the effort to paint the anti-gun agenda with the comfortable warmth of “gun safety” rhetoric moved from tactical to strategic with the formation of Americans for Gun Safety (AGS) in July 2000. Funded solely by New York City dot-com billionaire Andrew McKelvey—previously a member of the Handgun Control, Inc., board of directors—AGS supported the same tired gun-control agenda, but portrayed itself as “bringing a new, centrist perspective to a long-polarized debate.”

In truth, it was staffed by a handful of longtime anti-gun strategists who were certainly vigorous in issuing countless press releases. But AGS never developed political credibility or power, because it had no members, no base of support and no grassroots strength. In due course, the group appeared to simply evaporate, and it now exists only as a website that hasn’t been updated in months.

The failure of AGS should have been a clear lesson to our opponents that credibility as a voice for hunters and shooters cannot be created with money alone. But blind faith is a powerful force. Much as the anti-gun crowd cannot resist the temptation to continue to push restrictions that have already been defeated; it seems destined that they would again form a phony front group, dedicated to the lofty political goal of fooling gun owners and hunters into supporting a new emperor with no clothes. Just in time for the new election cycle, the group would push the same anti-gun agenda and grant false credentials to politicians seeking to cloak themselves in the false veneer of rhetoric “supporting our rights.”

Now comes, as if on cue, the American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA). The group’s self-description that pops up in Internet search engines is: “Countering years of polarized debate and restoring pride in America’s hunting and shooting heritage.” Gee, that polarized debate thing sounds familiar.

But let’s go through the exercise, for those with any doubt. AHSA is certainly working to create that doubt, with a debut performance at the recent convention of the Outdoor Writers Association of America.

“Also troubling is the NRA’s attempt to protect the gun industry from lawsuits that could help shut down gun dealers.”

Ron Schuman (former BATF official)

Hosting a press conference and a breakfast, the group made a minor splash. CNN fell for the routine, offering the group a clean slate from which to cast its own history. AHSA Executive Director Bob Ricker told the CNN host, “We feel that because of the extreme positions the NRA has taken in the past, as you mentioned, that it’s turned off a large number of gun owners. It just became clear to me that the extreme positions the NRA was forcing everyone to take was really hurting hunters and shooters, like myself.”

Pure theater, of course, but good enough for CNN to fawn over. Some of the outdoor writers in attendance, however, were well familiar with the false credentials of Ricker and AHSA’s board of directors. Ricker attempted to sidestep his checkered past, dodging questions on his well-known history as a failed gun-industry lobbyist, then as a paid shill for the anti-gun lobby and its lawyers. Board member John Rosenthal, founder of the anti-gun Massachusetts state group “Stop Handgun Violence,” has called himself a gun owner and shooter. One outdoor writer noted in the Fort Wayne Journal Gazette: “They ask that you overlook their past associations and listen to their message.”

The message is plenty familiar—a pure re-hash of the AGS mantra. Their past associations as operatives and supporters of the gun-ban lobby are well established. So let’s look at those associations as they are, not as Ricker glosses over them in the media. Let’s go to the videotape, as the sportscasters say, in the form of a sworn deposition that Ricker was paid to give in the baseless New York City lawsuit against the firearm industry.

What’s that, you say? Ricker is a paid witness in the effort to hold the firearm industry responsible for the acts of criminals? Yes. And that’s just the beginning. Given on September 27, 2005, the deposition details the formation of the group, and Ricker’s other paid allegiances to the gun-ban lobby.

Ricker stated his “biggest” client was the Educational Fund to End Handgun Violence. That’s the “educational” arm of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, a long-in-the-tooth but minor gun-ban group, run by longtime gun-ban advocate Josh Horwitz. The signature logo of CSGV is a picture of a handgun with a red slash across it. Look at their website (www.csgv.org)—it’s right there in the corner. The rest of the site details their slavish support for any and all new gun restrictions. In the deposition, Ricker reports that his other client is the Virginia anti-gun state group Virginians for Public Safety.

Ricker reports AHSA as merely another one of his clients in the deposition and that his services as Executive Director are compensated at the rate of $3,000 per month. Ricker was questioned about the number of members in AHSA and estimated that “it’s probably around 100 to 150 at this point.” Noting that each member pays $25 to join, industry lawyers observed that incoming dues alone were clearly inadequate to pay his retainer. Ricker stated that the rest of the funding comes from “individual contributions” and said the largest contributors were the AHSA board of directors.

The AHSA board proudly displays pictures of themselves target shooting or afield, confirming their elitist mind-set that it’s okay to ban guns they don’t own. Their political track records follow suit. Board Member Ray Schoenke has supported myriad liberal causes in recent years. He has made political contributions to Al Gore, Barbara Boxer, Bill Clinton, Dianne Feinstein, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry. In 2000, Schoenke donated $5,000 to Handgun Control, Inc. Contributions were also made to HCI by the Ray and Holly Schoenke Foundation, enough to earn him a slot as a major benefactor of the annual HCI fundraising dinner.

Board member John Rosenthal remains the leader of Stop Handgun Violence, the Massachusetts anti-gun group. He, too, is a former member of the HCI board of directors. Ricker had this to say in the deposition: “We recognize the fact that Stop Handgun Violence is considered a gun-control organization, and as Mr. Rosenthal is the person who runs that organization, we understand that some hunters and shooters, other organizations like the NRA … would perceive the fact that he’s associated with our organization, and therefore, would conclude somehow that (AHSA) was not pro-gun.” Asked whether this meant that AHSA was just a front group, Ricker responded “That perception would be out there, yes.”

Another ASHA board member is Jody Powell, lead spokesman for the rabidly anti-gun Jimmy Carter administration. Under Carter, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) waged a brutal crusade against the civil liberties of firearm owners that resulted in three major congressional inquiries and led U.S. Sen. Dennis DeConcini (D-Ariz.), chairman of two such investigations, to characterize BATF conduct as “bordering on criminality,” saying the agency had moved against honest citizens “because [it has] taken the view that individuals who are interested in firearms are either criminals or close to it.” While Carter was posing as a quail hunter, on his watch the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA) tried to ban hunting on privately owned timberland. Had Congress not acted to kill the OSHA hunting ban at the urging of NRA, hunting in America, on both public and private lands, may have become a truly endangered activity.

“If it wasn’t for criminals, there wouldn’t be a gun industry in this country.”

—Gerard Nunziato (former BATFE official)

AHSA board member Joe Vince is a former BATF employee who made himself infamous as a key architect of the Clinton-Gore regulatory assault on the Second Amendment. Vince, now president of Crime Gun Solutions, employs a number of ex-BATF officials including one Gerard Nunziato, who told the Houston Chronicle that “If it wasn’t for criminals, there wouldn’t be a gun industry in this country.” Nunziato added, “the claims of the NRA and other gun-rights groups that they are protecting law-abiding citizens with their policies are false. The only people it’s protecting are criminals.”

The Chronicle article has yet more: “Also troubling,” said Ron Schuman, another former BATF official who works for Crime Gun Solutions, “is the NRA’s attempt to protect the gun industry from lawsuits that could help shut down gun dealers whose firearms routinely make their way to criminals.” Schuman is identified by Ricker in the deposition as an attendee of the AHSA formative meetings. And did I mention that Crime Gun Solutions performs consulting for the lawyers at the Brady Campaign, frequently appearing as paid expert witnesses in lawsuits against the industry? In fact, these are the same lawyers that Ricker admits to meeting with several times in the deposition.

There’s plenty more in the deposition, more than this space allows. But one response in particular describes the reception AHSA received from DCS, a Democratic vendor of Internet services that administers the AHSA website. Ricker states that DCS staff “advised that in their professional opinion, they thought an organization like the American Hunters and Shooters Association would be attractive to candidates running for office.”

That completes the now-familiar picture. Rich anti-gun donors funnel cash into a front group that claims pro-gun and pro-hunting credentials, despite longstanding and current ties to a multitude of gun-ban groups, causes and candidates. The front group paints itself as a “moderate, centrist” alternative to the “polarizing rhetoric” of the Second Amendment debate and makes a soft-sell to outdoor writers and anti-gun candidates.

Sure enough, there are some who have fallen for it. Outdoor writer Pat Wray was gleeful to parrot the phony rhetoric of AHSA, writing in the Corvallis Gazette-Times that “AHSA appears to be the answer to the prayers of a lot of shooters and hunters who have become disillusioned with the NRA.”

Asked whether AHSA was just a front group, Bob Ricker responded,

“That perception would be out there, yes.”

Wray advised Ricker, Rosenthal and Schoenke that “we will beat a path to their door,” and said “the ripples emanating from the AHSA pebble are getting bigger and gaining speed as they approach NRA headquarters.” Ricker and his cronies were likely rolling with belly laughs when they read Wray’s naïve, enthusiastic embrace.

From the deposition, we know there may be at least 100 to 150 others who have bought the same line. But with the unlimited funding of anti-gun social engineers, and the clear ability to fool at least some outdoor writers into giving the sham group free publicity, who knows how high that number could climb.

The word “absurdity” is not strong enough to describe the notion that longtime operatives of the gun-ban lobby could credibly create and operate a self-described pro-gun association, particularly when they are still giving donations or being paid to push restrictions on consumers and support baseless lawsuits against the industry. Credibility is the coin of the political realm and that’s the reason NRA members hold the power that we do. We know what we believe; we’re good at what we do and the entire operation is made possible by the voluntary contributions of our members and supporters.

We’re not ashamed to defend our freedoms from attack, no matter how “polarizing” our critics may find it to be. That’s what builds credibility. Those who are “disillusioned” are welcome and in fact entitled, under the Constitution, to form their own association. But they should be prepared to be called out as liars if they cover up whom they really are and what they truly support. That’s why AHSA has no political credibility and never will.

The only thing emanating from the “AHSA pebble” is the stench of yet another cold, calculated attempt by the gun-ban lobby to thieve the hard-earned political credibility of gun owners and hunters.

 
Posted: 8/14/2006 12:00:00 AM
 


Find this item at: http://www.nraila.org/issues/articles/read.aspx?id=200

29 posted on 05/19/2008 2:11:12 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: pabianice

What in the world are you talking about.

What can we do to stop liberials from misleading the sheep.

I know this a BS org because I know the socialist position on guns.

What are you doing besides posting here and sitting on your hands?


30 posted on 05/19/2008 2:21:40 PM PDT by stockpirate (Purge the RNC and GOP of ALL SOCIALISTS . Starting with Juan McCain.)
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To: All

Awesome video:

The same kind of terrorists who support Obama did this:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/
Never apologize for them.
Never appease them.
Never forget.


31 posted on 05/19/2008 2:23:42 PM PDT by cyberella
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To: pabianice

Curiously, the membership roster for Montana Sportsmen for Obama is identical to the membership roster for Montana Transgendered Cowboys for the Legalization of Cross-Species Romance.

Go figure.


32 posted on 05/19/2008 2:44:31 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment: It's not about sporting goods.)
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To: stockpirate

“What are you doing besides posting here and sitting on your hands?”

Loading brass...


33 posted on 05/19/2008 2:44:47 PM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....http://falconparty.com/)
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To: pabianice
Supporters wait for Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., to speak at a town hall meeting in Billings, Mont., Monday, May 19, 2008.
34 posted on 05/19/2008 2:45:57 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
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To: pabianice

To: Winged Hussar

 From

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/ 
The Fake "Gun Rights Group" Supporting Obama  

and

http://www.saysuncle.com/
American Hunters and Shooters Association Screech

 

The info needs to get out there, was just trying to spread the word on these scumbags.

 

April 16, 2008

The Fake "Gun Rights Group" Supporting Obama

ABC News reports that Barack Obama has collected the endorsement of a guns rights group, the American Hunters and Shooters Association:

"Sen. Obama will be a strong voice an unabashed voice for America's hunters and shooters and it is with great pleasure that we endorse his candidacy," President of the Association Ray Schoenke said, citing Obama's commitment to the traditions of gun ownership.

Schoenke said they had reached out to the Obama campaign several weeks ago to offer their support – but the announcement wasn't made public until today. Schoenke added that the timing amid the controversy was important.

"We believe recent attacks on Sen. Obama's stand on the 2nd amendment and his commitment to the hunting and shooting heritages are unfair."

Actually, it is Obama's record on firearms that is unfair to Americans, but don't expect Ray Schoenke to know much about gun rights, even if the Daily Kos diarist is the President of the American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA).

Schoenke, a failed Democratic candidate for governor of Maryland, has donated thousands to Handgun Control, Inc, a virulent anti-gun organization that was the forerunner of Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence. He has donated tens of thousands more to anti-gun Democratic politicians including Ted Kennedy.

AHSA executive director Robert Ricker has testified as a paid witness against the gun industry and consults for several anti-gun groups, and John Rosenthal, President of the AHSA Foundation, is a former member of Sarah Brady's Handgun Control, Inc, and is leader of Stop Handgun Violence, a Massachusetts anti-gun group that has contributed to that state's intolerant anti-gun guns.

Just as Obama's record of claiming he is in favor of the Second Amendment even as he pushes for gun ban is dishonest, so is this endorsement from a trojan horse gun control organization masquerading as a group that respects American's rights to life and liberty.

Update: SayUncle examined this group earlier this year in greater detail. Posted by Confederate Yankee at April 16, 2008 04:05 PM

 


 

American Hunters and Shooters Association Screech

Posted by: SayUncle

You see, they are the righteous pro-hunting, pro-conservation, pro-gun group! The NRA betrays hunters at every turn. At least, that’s what they tell us. Behold Ray Schoenke’s screed at The Daily Kos. It’s so disjointed I can’t really fathom the point other than tooting the AHSA’s horn. Which is amazing, since they have no significant accomplishments nor significant membership that I know of. Only a screed with zero actual evidence about why they’re good and NRA is bad. So, let’s look at the American Hunters and Shooters Association record on guns:

The NSSF has a fact sheet on them here:

Reported in an article by Bill Schneideri that the operating budget for AHSA is $500,000. Where did this money come from? With only a handful of members (paying $25 dues) – who is bankrolling their operation?

When you follow the money, they read like a who’s who of gun grabbers. They are a front for the anti-gun Democratic Leadership Council so that anti-gun politicos can say they belong to a group that sounds pro-gun.

Members (five of them that they disclose) of the AHSA are anti-gun lobbyists.

They’re basically a shill group set up so that anti-gun candidates can try to woo the hunting crowd. Note that their only endorsement victory (McCaskill) did not sign on to support Heller.

AHSA wrote a non-opposition opposition to Heller for it’s wording.

The president allegedley helped a reporter break the law by engaging in straw purchases.

They pay people to stand outside NRA meetings to protest. Can’t get any volunteers with all your members?

They support they anti-gun Mayors Against Guns.

Field and Stream (you know, real hunters and real shooters) don’t seem to be a fan.

They keep peddling the Zumbo myth.

They call gun owners extremists and whackos. That’s correct. The Executive Director of a supposedly pro-gun group is calling those who buy weapons for self-defense (i.e., the largest growing demographic of gun owners) whackos. So, who exactly are the shooters in American Hunters and Shooters?

They say any woman who buys a gun is a sign of law-breaking.

 

14 posted on Thursday, April 17, 2008 5:22:30 PM by JerseyHighlander

35 posted on 05/19/2008 5:06:37 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: pabianice

If any Montana Freepers want to send a letter to the editor of the local newsrags to make sure the media know that the people know that AHSA is an astroturf counter operation, feel free to use the following letter written by freeper mnehrling :

To: JerseyHighlander
I am rewording and sending this as a letter to the editor:
________________________________________________
Fake Gun Rights Group Supporting Obama

ABC News reports that Barack Obama has collected the endorsement of a guns rights group, the American Hunters and Shooters Association. At first, this sounds odd, considering that Mr. Obama has a very poor record of supporting our Second Amendment rights, favoring bans on the sale of all semi-automatic firearms, rifles, and shotguns. After some digging, it becomes clear why the American Hunters and Shooters Association endorsed Mr. Obama. The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) are not a ‘gun rights’ group as they claim, on the contrary, this organization has opposed our Second Amendment rights on every front. AHSA executive director Robert Ricker has testified as a paid witness against the gun industry and consults for several anti-gun groups. John Rosenthal, President of the AHSA Foundation, is a former member of Sarah Brady’s Handgun Control, Inc, and is leader of Stop Handgun Violence, a Massachusetts anti-gun group that has contributed to that state’s intolerant anti-gun guns.

Just as Mr. Obama’s record of claiming he is in favor of the Second Amendment even as he pushes for gun ban is dishonest, so is this endorsement from a trojan horse gun control organization masquerading as a group that respects American’s rights to life and liberty.

This endorsement is just one more piece of evidence that we should verify all claims made by those who want our votes.

__________________________________________________________

Feel free to use.
19 posted on Thursday, April 17, 2008 6:06:08 PM by mnehrling


36 posted on 05/19/2008 5:10:50 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Crim

Loading brass......

What cal.?

Just may come in handy for “birds and such”.

Outlaw Josey Wales


37 posted on 05/19/2008 5:18:51 PM PDT by stockpirate (Purge the RNC and GOP of ALL SOCIALISTS . Starting with Juan McCain.)
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To: pabianice

38 posted on 05/19/2008 5:37:02 PM PDT by jaz.357 (I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Does anyone think that Mr. Obama has EVER shot a real gun?


39 posted on 05/19/2008 5:47:46 PM PDT by reg45
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To: pabianice
This coming out of Montana? The state that basically said they might secede if the SCOTUS rules incorrectly?
40 posted on 05/19/2008 5:57:52 PM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings. - Optimus Prime)
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To: TornadoAlley3

That girl might be cute if she faced the camera and got rid of that stupid mohawk.


41 posted on 05/19/2008 6:09:11 PM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings. - Optimus Prime)
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To: stockpirate

I carry a S$W .357 mag 4” stainless...just a plinker..

*grin*


42 posted on 05/19/2008 8:55:10 PM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....http://falconparty.com/)
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To: Crim

.357 sweet.

Very nice piece.


43 posted on 05/20/2008 2:59:46 AM PDT by stockpirate (Purge the RNC and GOP of ALL SOCIALISTS . Starting with Juan McCain.)
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