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Missing matter found in deep space
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 5/20/08 | Maggie Fox

Posted on 05/20/2008 3:17:25 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: Prophet in the wilderness

The Mayan calandar only said that planets would align in 2012 or every 572 x 11 years. The Egyptains say that the allignment would point to the “Eye of Horis” which is a relatively blank spot in space. Maybe that is the spot where the center of the universe is located and that can only be observed in the southern hemisphere.


51 posted on 05/21/2008 9:15:09 AM PDT by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gulch.)
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To: jongaltsr
the spot where the center of the universe is located

It is odd, though, that the edge of the universe seems to be the same distance in every direction from here. That might imply the center is not there at that spot, but where we are.

52 posted on 05/21/2008 9:18:21 AM PDT by RightWhale (You are reading this now)
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To: RightWhale

An explosion in a vacuum would radiate out in a circle from the equatorial center of the mass. Particles would be scattered outward and gasses would tend to remain in the center.

This object is so far away that no telescope can pinpoint what is beyond the other side of the center. This will be one of the things that only theory can explain as we will never really be able to provide real evidence.

i.e. It is effectively just a lot of hot air and little tangible substance.


53 posted on 05/21/2008 9:31:30 AM PDT by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gulch.)
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To: jongaltsr

The universe is spherical, finite, and unbounded. Topological fact proven. No center.


54 posted on 05/21/2008 9:36:27 AM PDT by RightWhale (You are reading this now)
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To: RightWhale
The universe is spherical, finite, and unbounded. Topological fact proven.

Has it really been proven that the universe has spherical topology?

55 posted on 05/21/2008 9:49:37 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded

Yes indeed. Poincare’s theorem. There were some threads a year or so ago. There was a book, too, and as interesting for the layman as a book about math can be. Of course one has to assume math has anything to do with a description of the universe aside from obviously being part of the universe.


56 posted on 05/21/2008 9:56:10 AM PDT by RightWhale (You are reading this now)
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To: jongaltsr

I don’t think my question regarding the “missing elements” is so much about quantum physics as it is about stellar/nuclear chemistry.

Stars burn hydrogen and get helium. They burn helium to get heavier substances, which in turn fuel the fires to get even heavier elements, all the way up to iron. (Heavier than iron requires a supernova.)

So what kind of stellar burn sequence produced all that oxygen without producing the intermediate elements between hydrogen and oxygen?


57 posted on 05/21/2008 10:10:49 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: RightWhale
The universe is spherical, finite, and unbounded.
Finite... but growing without limit. With its rate of growth accelerating.
58 posted on 05/21/2008 10:12:25 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: RightWhale
Yes indeed. Poincare’s theorem.

Poincare's Theorem says that any simply-connected 3-dimensional manifold is a 3-sphere. But I'm not sure that it has been proven that the universe is simply-connected (any loop can be smoothly shrunk to a point). Perhaps the universe has the structure of a more complex 3-dimensional manifold.

59 posted on 05/21/2008 11:03:21 AM PDT by wideminded
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" Working on one that exceeds the speed of light many times over. It accelerates the molecular vibration of all particles such that it enters the 11th dimension so that space would curve in on itself and allow you to effectively travel 100’s of times faster than the speed of light with a normal nuke ion engine. "
" Just kidding...... "

Actually ? it might not be a joke.
For example ? Remember all the cool things on the TV show Star Track ? those things that Spock had that look like CDs ? or how about Captain Kirk's ( Beam me up Scottie ) phone ?
Those things were just dreams back then, and now ? it's a reality.
How about some of the quotes: i.e. late in the 19th Century, someone said that man kind would never be able to fly lighter than air.
I do believe one day that we will be able to travel faster than light... it might be 100 or 200 years away, but, it will happen.
Who's to say that in our current science and perception, that yes, physics is physics, but, things can change.

60 posted on 05/21/2008 11:04:01 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: wideminded

That’s right. The proof was just that. It was proved to the satisfaction of topologists. That wouldn’t be me.


61 posted on 05/21/2008 11:08:54 AM PDT by RightWhale (You are reading this now)
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To: samtheman

I wonder if this discovery will have implications for the closed or open Universe debate?


62 posted on 05/21/2008 11:10:16 AM PDT by AU72
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To: NormsRevenge
I think a lot of that dark missing matter might be near The Rosie O planet hugging Heranus. Maybe a galactic cleansing will help us to find it.
63 posted on 05/21/2008 11:15:39 AM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (Tag line under construction Please watch your step, not responsible for any accidents)
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To: AU72

In my understanding, the debate is over. We will not crunch. We will evaporate.

No matter how much “missing mass” we find out there, it doesn’t change the fact that the rate of expansion is accelerating.

No Big Crunch for us.

Call it: the Big Rip.


64 posted on 05/21/2008 11:16:23 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman

So there won’t be a do-over.


65 posted on 05/21/2008 11:18:49 AM PDT by AU72
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To: jongaltsr
"It is effectively just a lot of hot air and little tangible substance."

Which would not seem to be able to generate the gravitational effects which are ascribed to "dark matter".

66 posted on 05/21/2008 11:25:33 AM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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To: RightWhale

Since I’ve never been to the center of the universe I could hardly have any perspection of where it may or not be. All I know is that when Stars go nova they explode in all direction along the equitorial plane. I would think that the original (Big Bang) would work the same way.

FYI - I’m not THAT old.....


67 posted on 05/21/2008 2:34:48 PM PDT by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gulch.)
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To: samtheman
Stars burn hydrogen and get helium. They burn helium to get heavier substances, which in turn fuel the fires to get even heavier elements, all the way up to iron. (Heavier than iron requires a supernova.) So what kind of stellar burn sequence produced all that oxygen without producing the intermediate elements between hydrogen and oxygen?

The pyhsics of such a Massive explosion was possibly far beyond the chemistry that exists at this point. I beleive that one of the theories is that physical dynamics is far different now then on the few nano seconds of the initial (Big Bang).

The gravitional dimensions, temperatures and molecular structures would all have been more intense than anything that exists now - even in the largest starts.
68 posted on 05/21/2008 2:42:10 PM PDT by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gulch.)
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