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Ghost of Victorian girl 'causing car crashes'
telegraph.co.uk ^ | 19/05/2008 | telegraph.co.uk

Posted on 05/20/2008 10:19:35 PM PDT by Main Street

A ghostly apparition of a young girl is being blamed for a series of crashes on a stretch of country road.

Paranormal researchers are investigating the sightings of a girl in Victorian dress on a road in the West Midlands, which locals say is an accident blackspot.

The late-night visions are occurring along Oldnall Road in the Halesowen area and are believed to have been responsible for a number of crashes and near-misses in the area in recent years.

Article continuesadvertisement Investigators looking for a logical explanation for the mystery admit they are baffled.

David Taylor, chairman of the Parasearch group, said he had received reports that the apparition had been the cause of several accidents along the road between Wollescote and Cradley.

"Although the people who have reported the sightings didn't actually crash they were close to it because they had to swerve around the apparition and up onto the pavement,” he said.

"The area around there is an accident black spot and there have been some serious incidents so maybe they had seen the same thing.

"There could be a logical explanation for this, it could be an optical illusion of some sorts.

"For 22 years we have been running a group who investigate claims of the paranormal. Most of the time there is a logical explanation - but so far I haven't found one for this case.

"The image had been described as a small girl between the ages of three and five years old and wearing Victorian clothes.

"We are trying to find out any stories locals might have of the area which might explain what or who this could be."

Local resident Jimmy Lahn, 54, said: "We've had quite a few accidents on that road, I wouldn't be surprised if this ghostly figure has something to do with it.”

Resident say most of the crashes have been minor, but there have been a couple of serious incidents over the years.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: ghosts

1 posted on 05/20/2008 10:19:35 PM PDT by Main Street
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To: Main Street

Do the accidents all happen shortly after the pub up the road closes?


2 posted on 05/20/2008 10:21:22 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Main Street

Cameras are pretty cheap these days.


3 posted on 05/20/2008 10:22:34 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Cementjungle
"The late-night visions"
It's highly probable.
4 posted on 05/20/2008 10:23:48 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Main Street
"Almost ten years ago, on November 19th, 1995, Wem Town Hall in Shropshire, England was engulfed in flames and burned to the ground. As firefighters tried to stave off the inferno a town resident, Tony O'Rahilly, took pictures from across the street using a telephoto lens on his camera. There, rather clearly in one of the photos, is what looks very much to be a small girl standing in a doorway, with the brightness of the flames behind her. No one ever remembered there being a small girl present on scene, much less in that close a proximity to the fire. The photo and the original negative were turned over to a photo expert who decided that the picture was 100% authentic: "The negative is a straightforward piece of black-and-white work and shows no sign of having been tampered with." Okay, so what's a girl ghost doing in such a big fire? Well in 1677 a fire destroyed many of Wem’s wooden houses. The fire was said to have been caused by a 14-year old girl named Jane Churm, who had been careless with a candle. Churm died in the fire along with several others, and her ghost is said to still haunt the area. Whether there's such a thing as ghosts or not, it must be said: if this is just a trick, an illusion of smoke and fire that happened to be captured on film, it's a zillion-to-one coincidence that it just so happened to appear in the form of a girl who also died in a terrible fire at the same location. But hey, stranger things than that have happened in this world, right?"
5 posted on 05/20/2008 10:24:31 PM PDT by Main Street (Stuck in traffic)
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To: CurlyBill

/mark


6 posted on 05/20/2008 10:27:49 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: Main Street
So bust her already!


7 posted on 05/20/2008 10:27:51 PM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: Main Street
""We are trying to find out any stories locals might have of the area which might explain what or who this could be." "

She's an FLDS escapee from Texas!

8 posted on 05/20/2008 10:28:06 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Alleged Rev./Marine Wright is BHO's "designated drunk" to hide Ayers/Dorhn.)
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To: Main Street
A ghostly apparition of a young girl is being blamed for a series of crashes on a stretch of country road.

Reduce the speed limit to 15mph (or the metric equivalent) in that stretch, and post signs in both directions. Whether there is a ghost is irrelevant; folks who slow down will stop instead of running up onto the pavement.

9 posted on 05/20/2008 10:35:14 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (During the Middle Ages, rats spread bubonic plague. Today, Rats spread the socialist plague.)
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To: allmost
“In other news, American hitchhikers continue to be terrorized by the apparition known as LARGE MARGE!”
10 posted on 05/20/2008 10:41:57 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Wiseghy

Pee wee was really stressed out about that. Turned him into a pervert when his contract expired it seems.


11 posted on 05/20/2008 10:45:52 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Main Street
Is she hot?

FMCDH(BITS)

12 posted on 05/20/2008 10:50:50 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Main Street
Here you go
13 posted on 05/20/2008 11:00:42 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: nothingnew
>>>>>Is she hot?<<<<<<

Get a life, the poor little spook is 3 to 5 years old.

The image had been described as a small girl between the ages of three and five years old and wearing Victorian clothes.

14 posted on 05/20/2008 11:01:34 PM PDT by xJones
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To: nothingnew
>>>Is she hot?>>>

The image had been described as a small girl between the ages of three and five years old and wearing Victorian clothes.

Get a life, the poor little spook is somewhere between 3 to 5 years old.

15 posted on 05/20/2008 11:05:09 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Main Street

2nd sentence starts “Paranormal researchers...” should read Con artists..


16 posted on 05/21/2008 12:38:28 AM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Wiseghy
“In other news, American hitchhikers continue to be terrorized by the apparition known as LARGE MARGE!”

The worst accident I ever seen .... bla ha ha ha ha


17 posted on 05/21/2008 2:50:01 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: Wiseghy
“In other news, American hitchhikers continue to be terrorized by the apparition known as LARGE MARGE!”

The worst accident I ever seen .... bla ha ha ha ha


18 posted on 05/21/2008 2:51:02 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: rabscuttle385

The UK still resists Euro-metrification of distance - so 15mph it will be!


19 posted on 05/21/2008 3:21:22 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Main Street

silly


20 posted on 05/21/2008 3:53:50 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Main Street
...Sue Ellen Mischke
21 posted on 05/21/2008 3:54:21 AM PDT by johnny7 (Don't mess with my tag-lines!)
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To: Main Street

Simple double exposure


22 posted on 05/21/2008 3:59:59 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: Main Street

These days I think that half the sightings of ghosts are actually views of historic re-enactors who are either on their way home from reenactments and are unintentionally scaring people, or are intentionally having fun at the expense of others.


23 posted on 05/21/2008 5:51:56 AM PDT by ottbmare
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To: Main Street

Look for unprincipled real estate developers in rubber masks!


24 posted on 05/21/2008 5:58:50 AM PDT by 50sDad (OBAMA: In your heart you know he's Wright.)
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"Although the people who have reported the sightings didn't actually crash they were close to it because they had to swerve around the apparition and up onto the pavement,” he said.

LOL...what were they doing....driving in the woods???

25 posted on 05/21/2008 5:59:23 AM PDT by Mopp4
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To: Wiseghy
Had to look that one up. Pee Wee is not high on my list of memorable movies.

But I am smiling now...

My first thought was of Resurrection Mary.

26 posted on 05/21/2008 6:25:57 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Main Street

We have a pic like that one. When I was a child there was an old 2 story house out here in the middle of nowhere. Was supposed to have been used as a stop on some old stagecoach line or something. A Colonel from the Civil War had owned it if I remember correctly.
Anyway, the family was loaded up and we went to see the house since they were getting ready to tear it down. We all ran around there for hrs. My mom had brought a polaroid camera with her, black and white and was snapping pics left and right. We got home and was going through the pics and at one of the upstairs bedroom windows you can clearly see a man in a uniform peering out from behind a curtain that was pulled back. The house was totally empty.
My Mom still has the pictures.


27 posted on 05/21/2008 7:55:28 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Main Street

the Ghost of Algore past trying to get people to reduce their carbon footprints?


28 posted on 05/21/2008 9:16:52 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (Conservatives are to McCain what Charlie Brown is to Lucy.)
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To: sheana
We got home and was going through the pics and at one of the upstairs bedroom windows you can clearly see a man in a uniform peering out from behind a curtain that was pulled back. The house was totally empty. My Mom still has the pictures.

Can you get it scanned and uploaded?

29 posted on 05/22/2008 4:49:51 PM PDT by lowbridge ("I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it" - Van Den Boogaard)
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To: Soliton

The photo apparently has been scrutinized and said real. (some site like ghosts of the UK or something have the above photo as well.)


30 posted on 10/24/2008 3:02:44 PM PDT by RGPII
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To: RGPII
The photo apparently has been scrutinized and said real. (some site like ghosts of the UK or something have the above photo as well.)

I am an insomniac and that is why I am often on FR at 4:00 am. I see these monster quest tupe shows on the Sci-fi channel and discovery. They NEVER find anything.

That doesn't mean that monsters and ghosts do not exist, just that nobody has proven that the do. I am agnostic until I see proof.

31 posted on 10/24/2008 3:35:07 PM PDT by Soliton (Faith is an act of love; Love is an act of faith)
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To: Main Street
This is why it's best to let the ghosts do the driving...
32 posted on 10/24/2008 3:39:35 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: ottbmare
"...or are intentionally having fun at the expense of others."

Perhaps the funniest vignette in all the James Herriot books is from All Things Bright And Beautiful where Tristan perpetrates the Rayne ghost scare. Those who have read it will know what I'm talking about...those who haven't read it would find it hilarious.

33 posted on 10/24/2008 3:52:58 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Soliton
"I am agnostic until I see proof."

I had never given much thought to the matter one way or the other while growing up. Certainly my Christian theology had led me to some abstract conception of demons, angels, souls and the realm of the intangible, but one night, while a college student in a small town in Pennsylvania, I witnessed something that removed any speculation whatsoever on my behalf. The small town just happened to be Gettysburg...

In the 20 or so years since then, it's become readily evident to me that the terms, "paranormal," "supernatural," etc. are riddled with human vainglory, as they presuppose that all that is normal and natural is fully within the grasp of human comprehension. We assume too easily that things we cannot explain must be impossible, and this is a notion truly at odds with the precept that true wisdom begins with the acknowledgement of one's ignorance.

34 posted on 10/24/2008 4:02:22 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack
as they presuppose that all that is normal and natural is fully within the grasp of human comprehension.

Only people who believe in the spiritual see ghosts. I have never and will never see a ghost.

35 posted on 10/24/2008 4:32:59 PM PDT by Soliton (Faith is an act of love; Love is an act of faith)
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To: Soliton
"Only people who believe in the spiritual see ghosts. I have never and will never see a ghost."

Precisely what I mean about human vanity...up until the last century we had very little conception of the broad and expansive nature of the electromagnetic spectrum, and based much of our science strictly on what occurred in the visible (by humans) range, completely ignorant of things going on in the UV and IR ranges. Now we have tools and techniques that allow us to see what had previously been entirely invisible. To believe that in 500 years time, the human perception of the universe (or universes) around us will be largely unchanged from what it is today is foolish.

I'm not arguing for or against the existence of ghosts; I'm merely pointing out that the absolute nature of your statement confirms my assertion, that for the most part, as humans, we think we have a pretty good bead on how everything works until ensuing generations laugh at how foolish and primative our *science* was.

36 posted on 10/24/2008 4:44:19 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Soliton

Soliton wrote:

“I am an insomniac and that is why I am often on FR at 4:00 am. I see these monster quest tupe shows on the Sci-fi channel and discovery. They NEVER find anything.

That doesn’t mean that monsters and ghosts do not exist, just that nobody has proven that the do. I am agnostic until I see proof. “

I’ve thought that little bit about cctv (close circuit TV) catching that guard is something at

http://www.ghost-story.co.uk/stories/thepalaceghost.html

and that photo is at the same site per:

http://www.ghost-story.co.uk/ghostphotos.html (here, they say that photo above is real).

Ghosts talk is just for fun really. I don’t know if FR has ever run a real “tell your ghost story thread” and I have read it with some frequency for 6 years more or less. No reason to believe in ghosts and push the limits, after all, we already know werewolves really do exist (sarcasm).

Here is the webpage that is the “premier ghost website” http://www.castleofspirits.com/ supposedly: I will say, some stories they publish there, like there best, are scary but I don’t know if it could have come out of a book or what!


37 posted on 10/24/2008 4:49:36 PM PDT by RGPII
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To: RGPII

Good to see you guys talking about this: they use to have a ghost ping all the time. Wild stories and Gettysburg.

I do believe in the Supernatural in the sense of G-d: to the extent that is natural to me...

Be back later.


38 posted on 10/24/2008 4:52:19 PM PDT by RGPII
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To: Joe 6-pack

You make good points, Joe.

Discovery, Learning, one of those had that house on a documentary and it had loud knocks at night. But they were saying it could well have been an electromagnetic field. Yet, the initial report of the house was knocking under the bed or knocks that might have been interpreted as foot steps.


39 posted on 10/24/2008 4:55:09 PM PDT by RGPII
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To: RGPII
If you would have shown the world's most brilliant scientists of 200 years ago a simple AM transistor radio they would have only been able to explain it as supernatural or paranormal. Today, even the most dull and ignorant people can describe the basic tenets behind its operation, and how to work it. With the rate of technology ever increasing, who knows what will exist or be understood 200 years from now that our best scientists are at a complete loss to explain.

I think the biggest difference is, 200 years ago the scientists tried to understand what appeared to them impossible. Today, they largely ridicule it.

40 posted on 10/24/2008 5:03:16 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Main Street
It could be a double exposure, or a deliberate fake. I tend towards the deliberate fake theory because the girl is placed very carefully at a spot where the flames burned out to white. The easiest way to fake a shot like this with traditional film is to take the original photo and make an 8X10 print. Before processing the photo paper, you burn the image of the girl onto the paper. After developing the print, you take a photo of the print and you have an unretouched negative with the image on it.

It's a lot easier to do this with a B&W print than a color shot.

41 posted on 10/24/2008 9:14:18 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Richard Kimball

The photo is authentic: http://www.ghost-story.co.uk/halloween/realorfakeghostphotos.html


42 posted on 10/28/2008 8:31:18 AM PDT by RGPII (No O-bortions!)
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To: RGPII

Color me skeptical. I’ve done enough photography, both in a lab and photoshop to know how images can be manipulated. In post #41, I indicated how this type of photo could be faked in a B&W lab, and I actually did a very similar fake. If I can find it, I’ll post it later. The thing is, I could do this with no outside assistance, and a B&W lab that costs less than $500 to set up.


43 posted on 10/28/2008 8:41:04 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Richard Kimball

Experts have already said the Wem Town Hall photo is real.

http://www.ghost-story.co.uk/halloween/realorfakeghostphotos.html

“Further examination of the negative proved the ghost picture to be authentic and not tampered with.”

http://ghostpicture.blogspot.com/2006/07/burning-building-girl-ghost-picture.html

But this ghost is not menacing or predatory it seems.


Richard Kimball wrote:

Color me skeptical. I’ve done enough photography, both in a lab and photoshop to know how images can be manipulated. In post #41, I indicated how this type of photo could be faked in a B&W lab, and I actually did a very similar fake. If I can find it, I’ll post it later. The thing is, I could do this with no outside assistance, and a B&W lab that costs less than $500 to set up.


44 posted on 10/28/2008 8:48:45 AM PDT by RGPII (No O-bortions!)
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To: RGPII
Let me go through it again. The photographer develops an 8X10 photo with all the modifications, then takes another photograph of the finished 8X10. The resulting negative is not a negative of the fire, but an unretouched negative of the 8X10 photo. The negative doesn't have to be tampered with at that point, because all the doctoring was done prior to the photo being taken.
45 posted on 10/28/2008 12:09:21 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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