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'5 years up' costs FBI top managers
The Washington Times ^ | 5-23-08 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 05/23/2008 11:36:32 AM PDT by JZelle

An order by FBI executives requiring senior supervisors to move to the bureau's Washington headquarters after five years in the field or step down has led to a critical shortage of qualified managers in key investigative posts, including those who supervise an FBI division that tracks down al Qaeda terrorists, say veteran FBI supervisors and rank-and-file agents.

The four-year-old order, known to the agents as "five years up or out," has been met with widespread criticism. Field supervisors and agents say the order has reduced the FBI's ability to target, arrest and prosecute criminals, including terrorists.

"The fact that everything has to be decided at headquarters has caused a major problem," said one senior agent. "I can tell you, many experienced supervisors are bailing out, taking their retirements or leaving early rather than uprooting their lives to move to Washington where very little actual investigative work is being done."

Another longtime agent said the order "makes no sense at all" and that the "considerable expertise" that field supervisors bring to investigations is "critical in making cases that can hold up in court." The agent said the refusal of many to leave the field to assume management jobs in Washington has left the bureau with a shortage of experienced leadership and outright vacancies in several key areas.

In a written statement this week to the House Judiciary subcommittee on crime, terrorism and homeland security, Bassem Youssef, chief of the communications analysis unit at the FBI's counterterrorism division, said significant staffing shortages and a lack of experienced managers within ITOS I have weakened the FBI's ability to defend the United States against "another catastrophic and direct attack by Middle Eastern terrorists."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: counterterrorism; fbi

1 posted on 05/23/2008 11:36:32 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: JZelle

But our ability to create reports and memos remains unparalleled!


2 posted on 05/23/2008 11:43:57 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: JZelle
leaving early rather than uprooting their lives to move to Washington where very little actual investigative work is being done."

There's the problem. Little actual investigation work in Washington.

3 posted on 05/23/2008 11:44:20 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: JZelle

The answer here...is to move the FBI headquarters out of DC and put it in rural Mississippi. Then the idiots will fight over who can live elsewhere. There isn’t a reasonable bit of logic why the FBI has to remain in DC.


4 posted on 05/23/2008 11:46:50 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

This 5 years and up policy was put in place to fight corruption, complacency, and espionage in the FBI.

Agents don’t like it (reasonable) because it interfers with their kids education, buying/selling houses in housing down turn, spouses with other careers having to uproot.

There is an option for agents who don’t like policy. Quit. Every new agent knows that this is the policy and it has been in place for a while now.

What did every spy in the FBI have in common?

They all passed polygraph examinations and financial disclosures. Moving agents prevents a corrupt agent from unending access to sensitive information.


5 posted on 05/23/2008 11:52:34 AM PDT by ktime
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To: JZelle

I suspect this is working as planned; there are too many chiefs and not enough indians, so this is a way of culling the workforce. They have senior management working in field assignments that can be performed at a much lower grade (e.g. paid well over 100K per year, vs. 70-80k). In five years, they should be able to move into a position comensurate with their grade to justify that salary, or move on. The net result is a cost savings to the agency and a culling of the extra “chiefs”.


6 posted on 05/23/2008 11:57:35 AM PDT by LambSlave
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To: pepsionice

Move the US House to North Dakota and the Senate to Montana.

Let the live on abandoned military posts.


7 posted on 05/23/2008 11:58:37 AM PDT by We Dare Defend Our Rights
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To: pepsionice

“There isn’t a reasonable bit of logic why the FBI has to remain in DC.”

I was thinking the same thing....apparently the FBI hasn’t heard of telecommuting, email, video conferencing...etc.

No wonder they’re inept.


8 posted on 05/23/2008 11:59:58 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: We Dare Defend Our Rights
Move the US House to North Dakota and the Senate to Montana.

Only during the winter.

In summer put them in El Paso.

9 posted on 05/23/2008 12:03:07 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: pepsionice
There isn’t a reasonable bit of logic why the FBI has to remain in DC.

Actually, there isn't a single good reason why anything should remain in DC. It's not 1789 anymore!

House and Senate members, for example, could remain in their home districts, hold hearings and meetings via videoconference, vote electronically, and perhaps gather in person for a week or so once a year.

Of course, remaining in their home districts would make them privy -- on every trip to the dry cleaners or the liquor store -- to their constituents' comments on their votes and statements. And that would horrify them.

Which is why this will never work. Washington gives them a place to run off to.

10 posted on 05/23/2008 12:05:01 PM PDT by JennysCool (They all say they want change, but they’re really after folding money.)
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To: pepsionice
I have long advocated that Congress does not need to be in Washington more than a month out of the Year. With teleconferencing they can be back in their districts. Turn the House and Senate buildings into dorms where they can live when in DC. Limit each Rep and Senator to two aides.
11 posted on 05/23/2008 12:05:32 PM PDT by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: We Dare Defend Our Rights

Hey, I live in North Dakota. Don’t mess up our horizon to horizon fields of wheat with politicians stinking up the place.


12 posted on 05/23/2008 12:14:28 PM PDT by WarToad
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To: pepsionice
the FBI headquarters out of DC and put it in rural Mississippi

Why stop there? Let's move the Agriculture Department to Nebraska... the Energy Department to Texas... Housing and Urban Development to the South Bronx. The Congress belongs in Hollywood.


13 posted on 05/23/2008 2:00:00 PM PDT by Nick Danger (www.wintersoldier.com)
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The Congress belongs in Hollywood.

Shemya would work, as well.

14 posted on 05/23/2008 2:04:35 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Dinsdale

Uh, hell no, we have enough problems on the border as it is now. You would have to arrest most of those clowns coming back across the border after their trist with a trandsgendered prostitute.


15 posted on 05/23/2008 2:08:40 PM PDT by OldBullrider (if yur hurt, rub some dirt on it, and get back to work)
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To: OldBullrider
You would have to arrest most of those clowns coming back across the border after their trist with a trandsgendered prostitute.

Sounds like a win-win.

I could accept an alternate location. So long as it's a desolate baking hot dusty hell hole comparable to El Paso.

16 posted on 05/23/2008 2:19:08 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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