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Is this prison too tough?
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | May 26, 2008 | Frank Main

Posted on 05/26/2008 11:09:37 PM PDT by Graybeard58

TAMMS | Lawmakers: Don't keep inmates there more than a year

Reginald "Akkeem" Berry said he wasted away during eight years in Tamms Correctional Center at the southern tip of Illinois.

Berry, a former Four Corner Hustler imprisoned for killing a gang rival over turf, said he lost 75 pounds from his muscular frame while in the state's only "supermax" facility, where he was sent after a series of disciplinary problems in other prisons.

He was paroled in 2006.

"Tamms starved me," Berry, 45, said during a news conference Sunday to promote state legislation to make the 10-year-old prison more humane.

Representatives Julie Hamos (D-Evanston), Karen Yarbrough (D-Broadview), Eddie Washington (D-Waukegan) and others have introduced a bill that would limit inmates' stays in Tamms to one year with narrow exceptions, bar the state from transferring seriously mentally ill prisoners there, and require a review every three months to see whether a prisoner should remain in Tamms.

Tamms inmates are held in solitary confinement for at least 23 hours a day, are fed through holes in cell doors, can't make phone calls, are allowed only three visits a year and are denied communal activity including religious services, Hamos said. She said the prison was not designed for prolonged confinement of inmates -- yet a third have been there for about a decade.

If the proposed Tamms legislation fails to pass during the fall veto session, Hamos said she might work to decommission it as a "supermax" facility.

Derek Schnapp, a Department of Corrections spokesman, said state officials will study the proposed legislation, but added, "Our offenders at Tamms earn their way there. They are assaultive on staff or other inmates and don't belong in the general population."


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Tamms inmates are held in solitary confinement for at least 23 hours a day.
1 posted on 05/26/2008 11:09:37 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

if I ever had to go to prison, I’d want to be in solitary.


2 posted on 05/26/2008 11:13:37 PM PDT by balch3
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To: Graybeard58

“Tamms inmates are held in solitary confinement for at least 23 hours a day, are fed through holes in cell doors, can’t make phone calls, are allowed only three visits a year and are denied communal activity including religious services”

IMHO, all prisons should be this way. It is prison, after all.


3 posted on 05/26/2008 11:17:36 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (So your bumper sticker says: "Don't blame me, I didn't vote!"? Duh!)
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To: Graybeard58

Notice that all three of these politicians that want to coddle gangbangers and other dangerous criminals are democrats?


4 posted on 05/26/2008 11:18:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary or Obama can!)
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To: balch3

I did a certain amount of time in solitary while in a US Navy brig. (It’s a long story.) It’s not that bad. I read the Bible all the way through during my stay.

I have the ability to sleep at will, which helps.


5 posted on 05/26/2008 11:19:38 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan
I did a certain amount of time in solitary while in a US Navy brig. (It’s a long story.)

You are such a tease.

Just Kidding. hehe
6 posted on 05/26/2008 11:22:35 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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To: ChicagahAl
I say let them out in the sunlight (sleet/rain/snow) for 10-12 hours a day. Chained by the ankle, guarded by shotgun, pick / shovel in hand.

It's bullshit that we pay upwards of $65,000 pr. prisoner per year to keep these ninny whits in prisons, catering to their every want and need.

Bring back the "Chain Gang". At least we'd be getting something back from all our wasted tax money keeping these dopes alive.

7 posted on 05/26/2008 11:23:05 PM PDT by CBF (It's the law stupid!)
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To: Graybeard58

Do you get books to read while in solitary? If so, it sounds much better than other prisons where you have to mingle with the barbarians.


8 posted on 05/26/2008 11:23:18 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: TheWasteLand

get the word “solitary”?


9 posted on 05/26/2008 11:27:11 PM PDT by perfect stranger (Nobama)
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To: Graybeard58
My main problem with prison would be the snoring. I can't take it, I'd have a heart attack or a stroke in weeks.

Unless they let me take my Bose noise canceling headphones, maybe then. And if I could read.. and a little pot in the evenings.. Okay, deal for super max.


10 posted on 05/26/2008 11:27:41 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Graybeard58
...said he lost 75 pounds from his muscular frame ...

Malnourished and losing 75lbs means he must have died.

Oh wait....

He wasn't malnourished was he? He was underfed, the poor little fat pig.

11 posted on 05/26/2008 11:30:20 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: B-Chan

In a lot of those prisons, since you’re there for disciplinary reasons, you do not get to have any books, magazines, puzzles, writing materials, radio or tv, or anything to help pass the time. Basically, you just have to look at the 4 walls. You don’t see anyone or speak to anyone for 23 hours a day.

A friend was sent to “the hole” in a county jail, and they took everything from her, even her bible and her AA book. She wasn’t allowed anything in there for the 2 weeks she was there. She never went back to the hole after that.

Not a good thing.

While I don’t believe in coddling prisoners, this sort of forced isolation has been proven to induce serious mental illness after extended periods of time.

Mark


12 posted on 05/26/2008 11:31:59 PM PDT by MarkL
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To: Graybeard58

Do the crime, do the time.


13 posted on 05/26/2008 11:32:39 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: TheWasteLand

Depends on why you’re there, and the jail. See my #12 post.

Mark


14 posted on 05/26/2008 11:34:07 PM PDT by MarkL
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To: perfect stranger
get the word “solitary”?

I confess to ignorance of all things prisony. I thought solitary meant no other people - I suppose your comment implies no books either.

15 posted on 05/26/2008 11:35:09 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: MarkL

Mark, since she “never went back to the hole after that”, how can that NOT be a “good thing”? Seems to me it served the purpose. Jest wondering.


16 posted on 05/26/2008 11:35:25 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: Graybeard58

I’ve got to do a little research but if I remember the story correctly Mr. Berry lost 75+ pounds from an original weight that was 300+ pounds. You notice that particular fact is missing from the Chicago Sun Times story.


17 posted on 05/26/2008 11:35:34 PM PDT by GravityFree (Death is not the end, nor the beginning of the end, but only the end of the beginning.)
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To: MarkL

Thanks for the info.


18 posted on 05/26/2008 11:36:31 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: GravityFree

Why am I not surprised?


19 posted on 05/26/2008 11:41:52 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: GravityFree

Thank you. You verified my thoughts in post #11. :-)


20 posted on 05/26/2008 11:45:08 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: All

“Is this prison too tough?”

Nope.


21 posted on 05/26/2008 11:46:13 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The democrats cannot afford to lose any votes.

If you prosecute crime how will the dems win elections?


22 posted on 05/26/2008 11:51:14 PM PDT by ChiMark
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To: Graybeard58

It’s not hard enough. They should be fed raw grains and water, coupled with a vitamin pill. Let them eat no more than 2000 calories a day.

Watch their fat melt off and their muscles trim down. And watch the savings in dollars and health care costs.


23 posted on 05/26/2008 11:53:55 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: TheWasteLand

No,my comment implied “solitary” as in no other prison inmates to interact with.


24 posted on 05/27/2008 12:00:23 AM PDT by perfect stranger (Nobama)
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To: TheWasteLand
"Do you get books to read while in solitary? If so, it sounds much better than other prisons where you have to mingle with the barbarians"

That has been my thinking ever since I was a kid. Of course, it was as a kid I began to day dream about being alone on a space craft headed one way into the vast emptiness of intergalactic space. I wouldn't fantasize about reading or communications or celestial awe.. just being alone, sitting, looking into the blackness, knowing it didn't matter if I were traveling near the speed of light or motionless, nothing would be different.

I've lived such a life (near best as can be approximated on earth) for a few extended periods. A frozen, inaccessible in winter, remote, small, unpopulated, island for an example. I ate, slept and walked about the island every day.

I hope to find such retreat soon and permanently. I got lots of land in the middle of the capital of the nowhere dimension. Mountains, boulders.. That's it.

I'd rather be free, lol, but I agree that being left alone in a cell able to pursue a satisfying endeavor is a more complete life than many have.


25 posted on 05/27/2008 12:12:59 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: I see my hands
I got lots of land in the middle of the capital of the nowhere dimension.

I've heard nowhere is where it's at. Great post, I enjoyed it immensely. And enjoy your retreat ;)

26 posted on 05/27/2008 12:28:25 AM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: TheWasteLand
"Do you get books to read while in solitary?"

Private and exclusive lavatory as well. Not too shabby.

I would say the most startling aspect of living alone is the phenomenon of setting something down, leaving, and then finding it is still there when you return for it.


27 posted on 05/27/2008 12:33:20 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Graybeard58

Too tough? I believe not. I happen to believe that prisoners in a jail have to support themselves and cover all of the costs of being in jail. I say in areas where it is possible, that the prisoners raise crops to feed themselves and such. In colder areas, there is always the possibility of some sort of manufacturing an item. If the prisoner does not cover the cost of daily upkeep they do not eat. I am only talking about covering the cost of food with the possibility of covering the actual cost of keeping them in prison. If the people in prison are as I consider, dregs on society, then they should cover the costs of theirs incarceration as part of their punishment. Some prisoners have it a lot easier than I do in life as in luxuries.


28 posted on 05/27/2008 12:34:02 AM PDT by SledgeCS (Build the fence. Deport the Illegals. Sell all their assets to cover the cost.)
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To: TheWasteLand
Thanks for the nice words.

29 posted on 05/27/2008 12:37:49 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Notice that all three of these politicians that want to coddle gangbangers and other dangerous criminals are democrats?

Republicans are a very rare breed in the state of Illinois.

30 posted on 05/27/2008 12:57:35 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: SledgeCS
Some prisoners have it a lot easier than I do in life as in luxuries.

Ain't that the truth.

31 posted on 05/27/2008 2:30:08 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: CBF

Have them harvest crops in the field instead of allowing more and more illegal aliens to do the task.


32 posted on 05/27/2008 2:54:23 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The road to victory in Iraq is through Iran.)
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To: ConservativeMind
"...It’s not hard enough. They should be fed raw grains and water, coupled with a vitamin pill..."

In Franco's Spain, prisoners weren't even given the vitamin pill.

If they got more than grains and water, it was because they hand-made items that were sold; otherwise, their families brought them additional food. The burden to a prisoner's family surely assisted the recidivism rate.

33 posted on 05/27/2008 2:57:48 AM PDT by Does so (...against all enemies, DOMESTIC and foreign...)
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To: MarkL

Funny how these buttwipes can’t stand being with themselves. They say it drives them crazy and is brutal.

Duh.

Maybe they’d like to do solitary in North Vietnam or a hundred other places in the world? No, I suppose not.


34 posted on 05/27/2008 3:07:33 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: TheWasteLand

normally paperback or law books but like they said you earn your way to solitary by not cooperating or assaulting others


35 posted on 05/27/2008 3:28:38 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: Graybeard58

We both know that the general knowledge of the prison system from the posters, both pro and con (not a pun, honest!), would fill at least half a thimble.


36 posted on 05/27/2008 3:34:01 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: MarkL
most of the time you really have to act the fool to get reading material removed, TV and radio are a privilege and jails are for people serving under a year, apparently the treatment worked for your friend and improved her people skills
37 posted on 05/27/2008 3:36:52 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They usually want them to vote when they get released but most states don't allow it.
38 posted on 05/27/2008 3:38:24 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: MarkL
I had a friend, a wiley old bankrobber from Slumerville, MA, who did a dime in the Atlanta Federal Pen back in the 50s/60s, five of it in the hole.

He always laughed at inappropriate times.

39 posted on 05/27/2008 3:39:05 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: TheWasteLand
solitary does mean no other human contact or visits except lawyers and no phone calls usually for a prescribed amount of time per infraction, used primarily for behavior modification by the prison managers/Warden.
40 posted on 05/27/2008 3:44:49 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: metesky
Most people don't know how easy it is to be sent to prison or how to act if they get there. It is just like going to college or starting in the military. if you act stupid thats when your problems start.
41 posted on 05/27/2008 3:53:18 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: Graybeard58

Jail ain’t supposed to be fun.


42 posted on 05/27/2008 3:55:53 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.)
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To: I see my hands

For the pure experience, there can be no internet.

Hope it happens for you. Soon.


43 posted on 05/27/2008 3:58:35 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben, reports to Parris Island on June 30)
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To: metesky
Back then it was real hard time you had to say sir and wear a string tie and have your shirt tucked in speak when spoken to and no frills papers tv or radio.
44 posted on 05/27/2008 4:00:32 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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Berry, a former Four Corner Hustler imprisoned for killing a gang rival over turf,...

...should have been executed...

45 posted on 05/27/2008 4:02:26 AM PDT by LRS
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To: Graybeard58

The mailing address for the prison is 200 Supermax Rd, Tamms, Ill. I kind of like that. Nothing like rubbing it in when you get a letter.


46 posted on 05/27/2008 4:07:05 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: CBF
I say let them out in the sunlight (sleet/rain/snow) for 10-12 hours a day. Chained by the ankle, guarded by shotgun, pick / shovel in hand.

That would actually be more expensive since work details, whether inside or outside the prison, require more supervision than keeping them locked up for 23 hours a day. The prisoners in the maximum security unit as so dangerous that moving one prisoner from point A to point B required a 2:1 or 3:1 guard to prisoner ration. As it is the prison is under-staffed.

47 posted on 05/27/2008 4:12:34 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: bdfromlv

There is an erroneous impression, imo propagated by sensationist tv shows, that everyone behind bars is a violent murderer. Nothing could be further from the truth.


48 posted on 05/27/2008 4:21:50 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Graybeard58
This is the only objectionable part of the story I could find:

He was paroled in 2006.

49 posted on 05/27/2008 4:32:24 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: bdfromlv

Sounds like Bible College in the 1960s. Or the Trois Rivieres Greyhound Station after 10:00 p.m.

One advantage of a classical education is the amount of literature one ends up committing to memory. Once I had to spend the night on a snowed-in Greyhound bus between Corfu NY and Buffalo. I passed the time reciting (to myself) poetry and Shakespearean soliloquies.


50 posted on 05/27/2008 4:54:48 AM PDT by Appleby
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