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Boy Scouts sue Phila. to stay in headquarters
The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 5/27/08 | Joseph A. Slobodzian

Posted on 05/27/2008 11:00:52 AM PDT by Dawnsblood

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Maybe the city ought to give them their building back then. That will solve it.
1 posted on 05/27/2008 11:00:53 AM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood

The Boy Scouts ought to have young members in full uniform near City Hall. Every time the Mayor or Solicitor (etc) step outside the office, the Boy Scout should ask “Mr. Mayor, why do you hate Boy Scouts? Are you going to do this to Girl Scouts too???”


2 posted on 05/27/2008 11:04:31 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Dawnsblood

The Boy Scouts ought to pass the hat ‘round for their legal bills. I bet there are alot of ex-Scouts like me with ten bucks for a good cause.


3 posted on 05/27/2008 11:04:36 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

“I bet there are alot of ex-Scouts like me with ten bucks for a good cause.”

Exactly my first thought. Anybody have an address?


4 posted on 05/27/2008 11:10:43 AM PDT by Spok
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To: Dawnsblood

I would like to see the Scouts up the ante and ask for punitive damages. Philadelphia is violating the Scout’s constitutional right to association which the SOTUS already established. Philly officials should go to jail.

Boy Scouts of America et al. v. Dale, 530 U.S. 640 (2000), was a case of the Supreme Court of the United States overturning the New Jersey Supreme Court’s application of the New Jersey public accommodations law, which had forced the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) to readmit assistant Scoutmaster James Dale. When he was a student at Rutgers University, Dale became copresident of the Lesbian/Gay student alliance. Then, in July 1990, he attended a seminar on the health needs of lesbian and gay teenagers. During the seminar he was interviewed, and the work was subsequently published.[1] He was expelled from Scouting after BSA officials read the interview in a local newspaper and Dale was quoted as stating he was gay. [2] The Supreme Court held that the lower court’s decision unconstitutionally violated the rights of BSA, specifically the freedom of association, which allows a private organization to exclude whomever it wishes. The case was argued on April 26, 2000 and was decided on June 28, 2000.


5 posted on 05/27/2008 11:10:45 AM PDT by y6162
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To: Dawnsblood

Shazam! Are we not surprised that the author of the hit piece didn’t bother to mention the circumstances and terms under which the city agreed to rent IN PERPETUITY the location for a dollar per year? Ya, right. What’s a contract to a Democrat?

Hey Enquierer - run your web poll listing why they Scouts are at this location and then see how many people vote to force them out.

Damn putzes.


6 posted on 05/27/2008 11:11:44 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Ted Kennedy is the finest collection of hops and barley money can buy)
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To: Dawnsblood

The building belongs to the city. The organization needs a private donor to step up and donate a place for them to use.


7 posted on 05/27/2008 11:12:44 AM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: Dawnsblood
To paraphrase Ann Coulter:

Only liberals think that it is OK to have homosexual men chaparone
pubescent boys on weekend sleep overs.

8 posted on 05/27/2008 11:12:58 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("They're not Americans. They're liberals! "-- Ann Coulter, May 15, 2008)
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To: Dawnsblood
The legal victory was short-lived as municipal officials nationwide began reexamining longstanding relationships with local scouts. Unlike the scouts, local public officials were bound by another line of Supreme Court opinions that barred taxpayer support for any private group that discriminates.

No local official who takes such an action should ever win re-election outside of certain, select, extremely liberal quarters. The voters of Philadelphia should turn these idiots out on their ears

Other mainstream supporters, such as United Way, also dropped them.

Not one thin dime for the United Way! Not Today! Not Tomorrow! Not EVER!!!

9 posted on 05/27/2008 11:16:36 AM PDT by gridlock (Now that Polar Bears are protected under ESA, where do I go to apply for a permit to breathe?)
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To: contemplator

I thought I remembered that the Scouts built the building.


10 posted on 05/27/2008 11:17:05 AM PDT by doodad
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To: contemplator

I thought I remembered that the Scouts built the building.


11 posted on 05/27/2008 11:17:11 AM PDT by doodad
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To: contemplator
I beg to differ:

In one of the final steps of a long-running attack on the Boy Scouts' Cradle of Liberty Council in Philadelphia, the city council has voted to renege on a 1928 ordinance allowing the Scouts to have their headquarters in a building on a parcel of public land "in perpetuity." Link Here, here or here if you like.

12 posted on 05/27/2008 11:19:04 AM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: contemplator

The ONLY reason it belongs to the city to begin with is because the scouts gave it to the city in return for the $1 a year rent in perpetuity.


13 posted on 05/27/2008 11:20:30 AM PDT by SengirV
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To: contemplator
The building belongs to the city.

The building was built the Boy Scouts.

Only the dirt belongs to the city.


14 posted on 05/27/2008 11:23:49 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: doodad

I’m guessing that there is a little more to this story. Since they are renting the building, they dont pay property taxes. I’m wondering what the surrounding property values are and how much those buildings generate in taxes each year. This sounds to me like a classic case of politicians and businessmen attempting to evict a tenant in order to generate more money. But hey, I’m a cynic and tend to think that when you peel away the layers most things are ultimately about money.


15 posted on 05/27/2008 11:25:21 AM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: XeniaSt
The building was built by the Boy Scouts.

16 posted on 05/27/2008 11:25:56 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: contemplator

Please take the time to learn the subject BEFORE you post.
The Boy Scouts built and PAID for this Building, totally 100%. They then deeded it over to the City in an agreement where they were granted a Lease in Perpetuity of the Entire Building for their Exclusive use for $1.00 per year. The Cit y is trying to steal it back under the guise of gay rights. Let me know where I can Donate! and shove Mayor NUTCASE into the Philly Zoo!


17 posted on 05/27/2008 11:30:46 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: Michael.SF.

To go a step further, the Liberals will find that it is fine to have Serial Rapists become Girl Scout Leaders and lead the Campouts. Why shouldn’t the Rapists be gien another chance is the Liberal mindset.GOD BLESS THE BOY SCOUTS and The GIRL SCOUTS and KEEP THEM CLEAN AND MORAL! something Liberals CANT STAND OR DIGEST!


18 posted on 05/27/2008 11:37:38 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: contemplator

You are partly right, the City is sing a Fair Rent argumen of $200,000 per year, but that is a cover for their gay rights agenda. Put a convicted gay pedophile on the Roster, and the City will be “Happy.”


19 posted on 05/27/2008 11:43:54 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: True Republican Patriot
Please take the time to learn the subject BEFORE you post.

Get a grip.

My statement was correct. Regardless of who built it or what the reasons were for signing it over to the city at the time, the fact remains that the city currently owns the building. I'd hope that the group has a lawyer who will file a suit arguing that if the city attempts to change the terms of the original agreement then the property ownership should revert back to the BSA without being charged back taxes. This way, if they cant afford the taxes and insurance from that point forward then they could sell the property and purchase something in a lower tax area.

People who enter into agreements with municipal governments or even federal governments expecting that those agreements will be in effect in perpetuity are deluded. One only has to look at the history of treaties signed by goverments or at ever changing imminent domain laws to see that such agreements only last as long as they are politically expedient. I agree with your assessment though, these politicians should have to reconcile their actions with the voters. I'd love to see them tossed out of office.
20 posted on 05/27/2008 11:48:22 AM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: Dawnsblood

i for one am damn glad to see people fighting back against this PC crap that has been going on for decades now, in all aspects of life.......do not sit idly by and take the crap, throw it back in their faces


21 posted on 05/27/2008 11:48:36 AM PDT by joe fonebone (The Second Amendment is the Contitutions reset button)
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To: Dawnsblood

The first thing these scouts need to be taught is how to move out of Fast Eddies whorehouse, otherwise known as Philthadelphia, and move to a town where at least the sports teams don’t suck quite so bad.


22 posted on 05/27/2008 11:49:17 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Do not run from the Republican Party. Take it back!)
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To: True Republican Patriot
Put a convicted gay pedophile on the Roster, and the City will be “Happy.”

The politicians know that is not an option. I belive that ultimately this case is simply about money and not some high minded idealism.
23 posted on 05/27/2008 11:52:12 AM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: DieHard the Hunter; Dawnsblood; Spok; y6162; VeniVidiVici; contemplator; Michael.SF.; gridlock; ...
The Boy Scouts ought to pass the hat ‘round for their legal bills. I bet there are alot of ex-Scouts like me with ten bucks for a good cause.

Even better they should persue a judgement that forces the city of Philadelphia to reimburse them for all legal expenses. The city reneged on their contract with the Boy Scouts.

24 posted on 05/27/2008 11:57:48 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (1984 was supposed to be a warning not an instruction manual!)
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To: contemplator

My total Apologies and Your Statement should be Published for Its Understanding and Forsight.


25 posted on 05/27/2008 11:58:21 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: True Republican Patriot

Unfortunately, the Girl Scouts are now an “inclusive” group, meaning they are happy to have lesbians on their national staff and as troop leaders. That’s why you won’t see them persecuted as the Boy Scouts have been.


26 posted on 05/27/2008 12:03:00 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (<----- Typical White Person)
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To: Dawnsblood

What is the Fair Market Value of this Beautiful landmark Building?? If tthe City wants to opt out of its agreement with the Boy Scouts, then the City must pay the Boy Scouts the full value of the property today as opposed to forcing the full rental lease the gay liberals demand.


27 posted on 05/27/2008 12:04:37 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: contemplator
I belive that ultimately this case is simply about money and not some high minded idealism.

All this case has EVER been about is homosexuals peeved at the Scouts and wanting revenge as well as a legal precedent they can use in future, similar cases. It may be cloaked in different words, but that's the bottom line.
28 posted on 05/27/2008 12:05:42 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (<----- Typical White Person)
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To: Dawnsblood

Ever notice that this is another continuing problem that the GOP never talks about?


29 posted on 05/27/2008 12:06:31 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the girly-man population. Have the McCainiacs spayed or neutered.)
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To: ChocChipCookie
Unfortunately, the Girl Scouts are now an “inclusive” group, meaning they are happy to have lesbians on their national staff and as troop leaders.

My understanding is that it is up to the local counsels whether they go along with that or not, that it is not mandatory. I could be wrong, but that has been my understand for the 3 years my daughter has been in GS.

30 posted on 05/27/2008 12:07:48 PM PDT by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: contemplator

“...the fact remains that the city currently owns the building.”


No. The fact is that the city owns the dirt under the building.


31 posted on 05/27/2008 12:10:28 PM PDT by Stark_GOP
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To: Dawnsblood

Good for the Scouts. I hope they kick the city’s ass in court.


32 posted on 05/27/2008 12:14:29 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: theDentist
"Mr. Mayor, why do you hate Boy Scouts? Are you going to do this to Girl Scouts too???"

As an organization the Girl Scouts have chosen not to exclude people from membership or leadership based on sexual orientation.

33 posted on 05/27/2008 12:14:44 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: y6162
Philadelphia is violating the Scout’s constitutional right to association which the SOTUS already established. Philly officials should go to jail.

Not at all. The Scouts are free to continue restricting their membership. Philly is saying that they just need to do it in another building.

34 posted on 05/27/2008 12:16:21 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: VeniVidiVici
Shazam! Are we not surprised that the author of the hit piece didn’t bother to mention the circumstances and terms under which the city agreed to rent IN PERPETUITY the location for a dollar per year? Ya, right. What’s a contract to a Democrat?

There is no contract and no lease, otherwise the Scouts could be fighting that out in court and probably winning. There was a verbal agreement, which is unenforceable.

35 posted on 05/27/2008 12:18:04 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

The idea is to make the Mayor or whoever shrink in front of the cameras, as liberals do to Republican politicians.


36 posted on 05/27/2008 12:20:26 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Niteranger68
The first thing these scouts need to be taught is how to move out of Fast Eddies whorehouse, otherwise known as Philthadelphia, and move to a town where at least the sports teams don’t suck quite so bad.

I was going to suggest Kansas City, seeing as how we're in America's heartland and all. But then you threw in that requirement about the sports teams

37 posted on 05/27/2008 12:20:48 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

......As an organization the Girl Scouts have chosen not to exclude people from membership or leadership based on sexual orientation.....

Lesbians for lesbians


38 posted on 05/27/2008 12:20:59 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The Bitcons will elect a Democrat by default)
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To: Non-Sequitur

“Not at all. The Scouts are free to continue restricting their membership. Philly is saying that they just need to do it in another building”

Ok. I guess with a little research we could find another private organization with restrictive membership using a public building in Philly...say the girl scouts?


39 posted on 05/27/2008 12:22:39 PM PDT by y6162
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To: theDentist
The idea is to make the Mayor or whoever shrink in front of the cameras, as liberals do to Republican politicians.

A Democratic politician...supporting a gay cause...shrinking in front of cameras? Are we thinking about the same Democratic party?

40 posted on 05/27/2008 12:23:33 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: bert

“......As an organization the Girl Scouts have chosen not to exclude people from membership or leadership based on sexual orientation.”

Can heterosexual boys join the GS? Transexuals? Can released pedophiles be den moms?

How about the Red Cross who exclude HIV positive blood donors?


41 posted on 05/27/2008 12:25:55 PM PDT by y6162
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To: y6162
Ok. I guess with a little research we could find another private organization with restrictive membership using a public building in Philly...say the girl scouts?

Girls Scouts don't exclude people based on sexual orientation. But if the Scouts could locate a group with restrictive membership that does use public facilities then that would go a long way towards knocking the legs out from under the city's case. If I were them I'd check out any country clubs or private clubs in the city,or the rowing clubs along the Schuylkill River.

42 posted on 05/27/2008 12:27:26 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Dawnsblood

The BSA should just move the entire building out of the city. Here’s an outfit that can do that for them:

http://philadelphia.homeconnections.com/task.Professional-Moving-Service-Entire-House-Structure.40334.html

Regards,


43 posted on 05/27/2008 12:30:04 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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To: Non-Sequitur

Fine. No contract, no lease, the original agreement should be null and void. They city should “give” the bldg back to the Scouts to do with as they see fit.


44 posted on 05/27/2008 12:39:21 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Ted Kennedy is the finest collection of hops and barley money can buy)
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To: Dawnsblood

A link to COLBSA’s page on it:
http://www.colbsa.org/openrosters/ViewOrgPageLink.asp?LinkKey=12731&orgkey=1853


45 posted on 05/27/2008 12:44:54 PM PDT by polymuser (Those who believe in something eventually prevail over those who believe in nothing.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

actually I get the implression that Girl Scouts have gone way over to the dark side and are prety much endorsing homesexual conduct.


46 posted on 05/27/2008 12:47:34 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Non-Sequitur

no the city of philly is saying that the scouts first amendment freedom of association must comply with teh religions and “conscience” precepts of the government religion.

You must believe as the government mandates or you may not have the benefits of a governemtn that honors its contracts.


47 posted on 05/27/2008 12:52:27 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
no the city of philly is saying that the scouts first amendment freedom of association must comply with teh religions and “conscience” precepts of the government religion.

Only if the Scouts want to use city property. It's their choice.

You must believe as the government mandates or you may not have the benefits of a governemtn that honors its contracts.

You would be wrong.

48 posted on 05/27/2008 1:01:51 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: longtermmemmory
actually I get the implression that Girl Scouts have gone way over to the dark side and are prety much endorsing homesexual conduct.

I wouldn't know.

49 posted on 05/27/2008 1:02:37 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: SandRat

Please ping your Scouting list.


50 posted on 05/27/2008 1:08:41 PM PDT by fgoodwin (Fundamentalist, right-wing nut and proud father of a Life Scout!)
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