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Victor Davis Hanson: Gloom and Doom? [Obama on American history]
NRO ^ | May 26, 2008 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 05/27/2008 11:16:52 AM PDT by Tolik

When Barack Obama talks about avoiding the "money culture" and the lifestyle of suits and big houses, there is nothing per se wrong with such a call to public service.

By the same token, he makes many fine points in his frequent recitals of U.S. history in which the Underground Railroad, the freedom riders, women suffragists, and icons of the civil-rights movement figure prominently.

The problem is different and twofold: First, in almost every allusion to our collective past there is mention of reform and protest, all of it needed of course. But after a while, whether inadvertently or not, our only heroes become those who found the system wanting and took it on. Yet there were many other elements of the system that are responsible for our current freedom and prosperity, and plenty of wonderful Americans outside of social activism.

At some point as he continues to offer us primers on our past, Obama should also include men and women of genius who were not social activists, whether an Edison and Bell, people of action and courage like Lewis and Clark or Lindbergh, political figures such as Teddy Roosevelt, and military heroism at places like Gettysburg, the Meuse-Argonne, Okinawa, Chosun, or Hue.

Otherwise the aggregate effect is Carteresque — more lectures about the old gloom and doom, and more reminders that the unique Americans of the past were only those who followed paths of activism — not surprisingly like those claimed as well by Obama himself.

Second, this is especially important for Obama who now emerges out of Chicago and Illinois politics onto a national stage, and must shed dubious figures like a Wright or Ayers, who clearly are on record as seeing their country as largely pathological.

When one combines Michelle's "pride" speeches and asides about a "mean" country, and Obama's own call for more "oppression studies" in our schools, then the need to remind Americans of concrete examples of our exceptionalism, of good works, and of men and women of singular accomplishment becomes even greater.

Otherwise by summer, each time he evokes American history, millions of Americans are going to wince, tired of either a sermon from a very materially successful person on the evils of, well, being very materially successful — coupled with the same old, same old race/class/gender take on American history that leaves out much of what was good and noble and led to our own fortunate circumstances.

And it doesn't help that the once forgotten Carter of the past is no longer building houses for the poor, but once again quite prominent on the political scene, de facto shilling for Obama, meeting Hamas and Syria, and in his 1970s-mode once more lecturing the world on the misdemeanors past and present of his own wonderful country, while quiet about the felonies of repugnant others.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: americanhistory; history; obama; vdh; victordavishanson

1 posted on 05/27/2008 11:16:53 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...


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2 posted on 05/27/2008 11:17:54 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: LS

American History ping


3 posted on 05/27/2008 11:19:50 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

I still want to know how we became a “57 states” country, because I missed it.


4 posted on 05/27/2008 11:20:23 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Vote for conservatives AT ALL POLITICAL LEVELS! Encourage all others to do the same on November 4!)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

I wish Bush made same gaffe now: it’d be hilarious to watch the firestorm from press laughing at him. But Obama is immune.


5 posted on 05/27/2008 11:24:32 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

Dr. Hanson forgets that Mr. Obama knows all, sees all and hears all. There is no correcting him - because he won’t allow it. He KNOWS everything; and what’s more, he’s correct on everything.

Don’t believe me? Ask Michelle, she’ll tell you.


6 posted on 05/27/2008 11:28:22 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Tolik
First, in almost every allusion to our collective past there is mention of reform and protest, all of it needed of course. But after a while, whether inadvertently or not, our only heroes become those who found the system wanting and took it on. Yet there were many other elements of the system that are responsible for our current freedom and prosperity, and plenty of wonderful Americans outside of social activism.

This one sentence justifies the whole post. Thanks for the ping.

7 posted on 05/27/2008 11:28:24 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: Tolik

His hope campaign preaches ‘hopelessness’

BTW, I’m a proud member of the ‘Money Culture’! A real live small business owner finding a need and filling it! A Maker not a Taker!

BHO cannot change Hauser’s Law anymore than he can change the law of gravity. If the fall brings on bad tidings, the progressives are gonna need a lot mor ‘Boxers’ to work harder, cause I’m finally gonna take that long vacation.
Collectivism be damned!
There’s a reason that the airlines tell you to put your oxygen mask on first!!


8 posted on 05/27/2008 11:30:56 AM PDT by griswold3 (Al queda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: Tolik
This is shaping up as Ford/Carter two, but McCain is in better shape than Ford was. In 1976, Carter ran as a southerner, playing Dixie in his radio commercials. Then he would sit with Coretta and MLK Senior at the Ebeneezer church in Atlanta. Then he would meet Lane Kirkland. Then he would trot Brother Billy back out for the rednecks. The south was very desirous of a southern president. Carter carried every state but Virginia.

Ford had ripped conservatives all year long, and barely survived a challenge by our champion, Ronald Reagan. It went all the way to the convention. Ford was a weak president, who had seen communists advancing even in Portugal and Italy. He was for the ERA and abortion, and named the human curse JP Stevens to the Supreme Court. The much despised Nelson Rockefeller was his veep, but Ford gave the nod to Bob Dole at the convention, proclaiming the Kansas buzzard to be a conservative.

After Ford said that Russia didn't dominate Poland in a debate with Carter, the press turned. Ford started getting great press. He got a fawning portrayal and cover in Newsweek the week of the election. The press was rooting for a close race and got one, because their was no difference in the two candidates. Plus, they were a little dubious about Carter and his appeals to the southern white vote. Carter barely won.

McCain cannot possibly generate the hatred among the press corp that a real conservative would. Their animosity will be half baked. Plus conservatives have no champion to pine for. And Obama has a very divided party. The Dems are ripping each others guts out on DU and the press blogs.

It's going to come back to whether Pennsylvanians can hold their nose and go with Obama. That's the one state McCain can genuinely swing.

9 posted on 05/27/2008 11:34:05 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
"I still want to know how we became a “57 states” country, because I missed it."

It must have something to do with hanging out with John F'n "57 varities" Heintz Kerry.

10 posted on 05/27/2008 11:36:01 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: Tolik
Smack! Obama only has a one-sided clue what America is about. "Social activists" are largely social isolationists..the chickens.
11 posted on 05/27/2008 11:39:31 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Look both ways when crossing the street son and don't throw Gramma under the bus!)
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To: Tolik
As every day passes it becomes more evident that Obama’s grasp of American history is nill. If he wins he will be America's first affirmative action president.
12 posted on 05/27/2008 11:46:49 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Tolik
“At some point as he continues to offer us primers on our past, Obama should also include men and women of genius who were not social activists...”

Let Obama hold forth. There's a fine line between a groove and a rut. He and his crowd will bring everyone to the saturation point on ‘I hate American’ that much sooner. Time for the pendulum to come back soon.

13 posted on 05/27/2008 11:50:03 AM PDT by SMARTY ('At some point you get tired of swatting flies, and you have to go for the manure heap' Gen. LeMay)
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To: Tolik

Leftist only care about history when it fits their “narrative” of great activists and revolutionaries fighting against the evil establishment. There is important stuff there, to be sure, but what about all the great military heroes, inventors, business leaders and innovators, etc. They don’t enter into the picture for leftists unless they can be sneered at or worse. Not surprising that Obama only talks about activist history - I’ll bet he doesn’t know anything about any other heroes of US history.


14 posted on 05/27/2008 11:58:56 AM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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To: All

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15 posted on 05/27/2008 11:59:31 AM PDT by cyberella
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To: Enchante
"Not surprising that Obama only talks about activist history - I’ll bet he doesn’t know anything about any other heroes of US history."

Well he certainly doesn't know much about the land east of Lincoln's birth...that's for darn sure.

16 posted on 05/27/2008 12:03:26 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Look both ways when crossing the street son and don't throw Gramma under the bus!)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

I still want to know where the hell states # 51 - 57 ARE because there might be some exciting business and economic opportunities, unless they are all the downtrodden, hopeless, depression-ridden, ‘mean’ kind of states that the Obamas describe as #s 1 - 50.


17 posted on 05/27/2008 12:10:10 PM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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To: metesky

It appears that his only visible skill is oratorical art. Getting through the Chicago machine implies some skills in the behind-the-door schmoozing. I can see nothing else.


18 posted on 05/27/2008 12:10:37 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

I link this link to his “new” Works & Days blog since it’s directly to his most recent post:
http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/


19 posted on 05/27/2008 12:10:49 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us . nature photography desktop wallpapers)
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To: Tolik
"Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed." ~~Michelle Obama, 2008

She sounds just like Mao's wife Jiang Qing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiang_Qing

Jiang Qing was the harpy b!tch from hell, the leader of the "Gang of Four."

20 posted on 05/27/2008 12:11:47 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Enchante
I still want to know where the hell states # 51 - 57 ARE because there might be some exciting business and economic opportunities...

Stop looking..all the new "states" and important customers are in China.

21 posted on 05/27/2008 12:12:51 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Look both ways when crossing the street son and don't throw Gramma under the bus!)
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To: visualops

Oh, thanks! I had that page bookmarked, but they changed format, apparently. So, I was wondering where is the new stuff. Thank you!


22 posted on 05/27/2008 12:15:41 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik
Obama IS another Jimmy Carter.
1- They use the same words (Carter's 1976 acceptance speech)
2- They have the same supporters/endorsers like Hamas, Castro, Jane Fonda, MSM,...
3- The same elitist view of”Amerikkka”
4- The same phony Christianity they use as an excuse to get power over other “less fortunate”.
5- The same love for appeasement and lack of cojones (hiding behind the BS of diplomacy).
6- AND THEY ARE BOTH SCARED OF RABBITS!!!That's a fact, Jack!
23 posted on 05/27/2008 1:25:40 PM PDT by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!!!))
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To: Tolik

Comrade Barak called for “oppression studies?” OMG, we’re drowning in the already.

Our once proud Smithsonian has them wall to wall, however that august institution rejected tens of millions of dollars from self-made multimillionaires who wanted to build an American Dream exhibit, extolling the opportunities we have.


24 posted on 05/27/2008 1:30:29 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Tolik

According to Willie Brown, well-regarded black ex-mayor of San Francisco and ex-speaker of the CA legislature, “the press is covering for Obama.”

Willie, an old Dem, had excellent press, but nothing like the fawning lying coverage B. Hussein gets.


25 posted on 05/27/2008 1:34:13 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Tolik

Obama doesn’t know American history so it’s not going to happen.


26 posted on 05/27/2008 2:15:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: Tolik
While not defending the haloed one's outlook, or challenging VDH, it must be admitted that much of our history is of protest and reform, even revolution. Those brave souls on the Massachussetts coast in 1620 and 1630 were Dissidents, as were those who signed the Flushing Remonstrance in 1655. Need mention be made of the Adams cousins, or Otis, or Revere to further illustrate our revolutionary and dissident history?

Obama limits his historical arena to those whose interests are most represented in the Democrat Party today. That is his fault, not the focus on protest and reform and liberty, but limiting that focus to very narrow set of participants and issues, as if those are the only issues that matter. The Democrat Party would like us to remember the civil rights workers, and those who rioted at Stonewall, and those who protested Vietnam. They'd rather not have us remember those who rebelled against too much government power, and those who fought for individual liberty and dignity. Those omissions are far more egregious than the haloed one's failure to recall Round Top and Pointe du Hoc. He can easily remedy those omissions at his next presser, but will he mention "the city on a hill", no taxation without representation, and James Travis's letter to free dom loving people? Not if he wants to remain consistent with his Marxist view of American history. Someone should tell him that even scholars like Christopher Lasch and Eugene Genovese have seen the light and recognized the failure of their marxist god.

27 posted on 05/27/2008 2:15:55 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Veto!
but nothing like the fawning lying coverage B. Hussein gets.

The MSM know he is an empty suit and expect to manage him as sock puppet.

28 posted on 05/27/2008 2:48:19 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Demorats tax returns consists of "welfare in" and " child support out.")
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To: Tolik
"Our individual salvation depends on collective salvation."

~~Barack Obama

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

~~Karl Marx


29 posted on 05/27/2008 3:33:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: RexBeach
There is no correcting him - because he won’t allow it. He KNOWS everything; and what’s more, he’s correct on everything.

Oprah trained and financed.

30 posted on 05/27/2008 5:01:01 PM PDT by afnamvet
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To: Tolik

He’s all sophistry, FRiend.


31 posted on 05/27/2008 5:15:33 PM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Tolik
How comes black folks never mention George Washington Carver as a Great Black American? The guy was amazing.
32 posted on 05/27/2008 6:11:25 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The road to hell is paved with euphemisms.)
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To: Travis McGee
She sounds just like Mao's wife Jiang Qing.

Whew!

I think you're on to something.

Jiang became part of the Gang of Four.

Let's see, there's Michelle, Rev Wright, Bill Ayres, and...Rezko ?

33 posted on 05/27/2008 9:44:02 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: xkaydet65
“...have seen the light and recognized the failure of their marxist god.”

Vulgar Marxism or cultural Marxism? Cultural Marxism is still very much alive.

34 posted on 05/27/2008 10:33:00 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: metesky

sophistry - the proper term for his platform.


35 posted on 05/28/2008 5:26:20 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Democrats suffer from constitutional dementia)
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To: happygrl

I hope we never find out just how p-whipped Barack is!


36 posted on 05/28/2008 10:22:07 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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