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Obama Lies About Holocaust for Political Gain
Red State ^ | May 26, 2008

Posted on 05/27/2008 6:13:54 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

This is sickening. Barack Obama, on the campaign trail, said his uncle helped liberate Auschwitz. He then said

“Now obviously, something had really affected him deeply, but at that time there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain,” Obama said. “That’s why this idea of making sure that every single veteran, when they are discharged, are screened for post-traumatic stress disorder and given the mental health services that they need – that’s why it’s so important.”

Look, we all know Obama has a problem with Jewish voters and veterans, but trying to use the Holocaust for political gain is sickening -- especially when it is a bold faced lie.

Obama might also want to reflect on Gerald Ford's 1976 declaration about Poland being "independent and autonomous." In addition to his shameless use of the holocaust for political gain, he does not know his history.

Auschwitz is in Poland. It was liberated by the Soviets on January 27, 1945, not by Americans. Obama's uncle was either part of the Red Army or Obama is, again, lying for political advantage. Given what we know already about Obama, either option is plausible, but I'm going with this being another lie.

What's worse is that he is using the freaking Holocaust to both ingratiate himself with Jewish voters and veterans while using the lie to justify expanding a federal program.

(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Germany; Israel; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; demlies; gaffe; holocaust; obama
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1 posted on 05/27/2008 6:13:54 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: SandRat; BillyBoy; river rat; ExTexasRedhead; justiceseeker93; Bokababe; Atlantic Bridge; ...

Will the media let Obama get away with this, as well?


2 posted on 05/27/2008 6:14:58 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

3 posted on 05/27/2008 6:24:13 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Mark Levin called Obama on his lie on his radio show tonight.

Apparently, Obama's campaign has an updated version, which now states that a great-uncle helped liberate another concentration camp.

The "uncle" thing couldn't have been correct for other reasons, since his mother was an only child and his father's family was Kenyan.

Did Obama make that statement during his speech at the synogogue in Boca Raton last week? If so, he's insulting the intelligence of his Jewish audience.

4 posted on 05/27/2008 6:26:23 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

The “uncle” thing couldn’t have been correct for other reasons, since his mother was an only child and his father’s family was Kenyan.
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It was his grandfather’s brother, and the correction has been verified.


5 posted on 05/27/2008 6:29:53 PM PDT by soupcon
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To: Clintonfatigued
Have you ever noticed that lefty politicians so often have to resort to turning history on its head in order to "prove" their point. That's because their real agenda usually won't sit too well with knowledgeable audiences.
6 posted on 05/27/2008 6:31:27 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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7 posted on 05/27/2008 6:31:45 PM PDT by SJackson (It is impossible to build a peace process based on blood, Natan Sharansky)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I heard it was BUCHENWALD and it was Obama’ss GREAT Uncle, not his uncle. This proves the guy can’t help lying.


8 posted on 05/27/2008 6:32:55 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: FFranco; Clintonfatigued

>>>heard it was BUCHENWALD and it was Obama’s GREAT Uncle,

Simple innocent mistake. The reporters misunderstood it for BUCHENWALD when he was talking about the WW2 adventures of his Uncle ART BUCHWALD. Now don’t we all feel silly.


9 posted on 05/27/2008 6:39:26 PM PDT by tlb
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To: Clintonfatigued

Facts don’t matter to Obamabots...they just lap up whatever drek the guy is spewing at the time....


10 posted on 05/27/2008 6:40:46 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Leaving the top of my ballot blank.)
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To: justiceseeker93
This is the complete quote.

“I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps, and the story in our family was is that when he came home, he just went up into the attic and he didn’t leave the house for six months, right. Now obviously something had really affected him deeply but at that time there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain. That’s why you know the, this idea of making sure that every single veteran when they are discharged are screened for post traumatic stress disorder and given the mental health services that they need, that’s why its so important.”

Seems to me it's fair game, he was using his uncles (mom's brother) "experience", I suspect he's lying about his uncle retiring to the attic, to advocate universal ptsd assessment for veterans. So he needs to have his facts straigt, and since his uncle is still living, it would be nice to know the nature of his breakdown. Or if it happened at all. I'm sympathetic to the uncle who didn't need this.

BTW, he told a similar story in 2002, imo suspiciously similar for both to be true. Particularly since his dad enlisted in June, not December 8.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka.

And on Obama's team, they're whacking away at McCain for his military service.

Harkin Attacks McCain for Having Served In the Military Too Much
Tom Harkin: McCain's Military Upbringing 'Can Be Pretty Dangerous'
Senator Who Lied About His Own Military Record Challenges McCain (Comrade Tom Harkin)
Harkin Suggests Military Background Makes McCain Unfit to be Commander-in-Chief

11 posted on 05/27/2008 6:47:34 PM PDT by SJackson (It is impossible to build a peace process based on blood, Natan Sharansky)
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To: tlb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV1sxq8mqvA


12 posted on 05/27/2008 6:49:38 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: soupcon
No. The Obama camp has put out a press release claiming that is the case but I am unaware that it has been independently verified by an objective third party.
13 posted on 05/27/2008 6:52:41 PM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (Just a bitter South Carolinian clinging to my religion and guns.)
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To: clintonh8r
'Facts don’t matter to Obamabots...they just lap up whatever drek the guy is spewing at the time....'

Yeah...like his Memorial Day stump speech in New Mexico, where he saw some of the fallen veterans out in the audience...

Contrast that with President Bush's speech REMEMBERING those who have fallen...or to put it bluntly, are DEAD and BURIED.

It seems someone doesn't know the difference between Memorial Day and Veteran's Day...and it sure as heck isn't the current Commander in Chief.

14 posted on 05/27/2008 6:53:28 PM PDT by T Lady (The Mainstream Media: Public Enemy #1)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I know where Obama was headed; it's a lede to Universal Health Care.

My maternal grandfather served in the Royal Canadian Navy during WWI. His sub got hit. He was injured; horrid, horrid head and ear aches; so bad he threw a warddrobe out a window one day so intense was his suffering. (He died from his injuries months before my mother's birth.).

And Canadian health care was awful. A number of Canadian WWI vets had the same problem -- getting adequate healthcare. But, my grandfather and all his WWI brothers (literal) fought against socialized healthcare in Canada - the very idea was repugnant to them.

My Great Uncle thought and said it would be Canada's downfall - socialized medicine.

Do I think Barack really cares about Veterans and PTSD? No, Not very much.

15 posted on 05/27/2008 6:54:10 PM PDT by Alia
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To: T Lady

Unfortunately, many Americans, in their mostly well-intended enthusiasm to honor veterans, have definitely lost their understanding of the difference between the meaning of Veterans’ Day and Memorial Day.


16 posted on 05/27/2008 6:58:46 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Leaving the top of my ballot blank.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Given his purpose here, pimpimg for another big program, the haloed one mourns the fact that WWII vets had no programs to help deal with their mental pain. 16 million men served in WWII. A whole lot of them saw and did really violent stuff, of which Dacau or Belsen was probably not the worst. So i suppose they all came home crippled and remained that way due to a lack of the right gov’t program.What did these psychologically crippled vets do? Build the most prosperous and powerful and free nation that ever existed. Confront the evils of communism, begin the struggle to deal with racism. Oh they did raise the whiniest most self centered generation ever. Mine. Hey only God is perfect.


17 posted on 05/27/2008 7:00:37 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: SJackson
He probably referred to his "uncle" rather than his great-uncle to make the audience think that the concentration camp liberation experience was closer to him than it really was. (As I said, he had no American uncle at all.)

By adding Treblinka to Auschwitz (as you say he did in '02) and implying that both were liberated by American troops, he is compounding the historical error. All the Polish camps were liberated by the Soviets, not the Americans. I, for one, would have preferred that the Americans liberated all the camps, but history is as it is and must not be "revised" for political expediency.

18 posted on 05/27/2008 7:06:39 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Clintonfatigued
"Will the media let Obama get away with this, as well?"

Sure, it will all get washed down the drain with same cleansing agent that all politicians use, "Explain-away"! Wish I owned the patent on it!

19 posted on 05/27/2008 7:18:30 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Will the media let Obama get away with this, as well?

Is this a trick question? Obama isn't Dan Quayle, after all.

20 posted on 05/27/2008 7:20:10 PM PDT by stevem
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To: justiceseeker93

Is it just me, or does it bother anyone else that this self serving SOB can only bring up OTHER people’s war stories and not his won? That’s one hellofva thing for a CIC - no military service. You’d have thought we’d have learned our lesson with slick willie...


21 posted on 05/27/2008 7:20:11 PM PDT by GunnyB (Once a Marine, Always a Marine)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Hey, the spelling of tomatoe by a Republicans is news, but this?
22 posted on 05/27/2008 7:20:32 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us pray for a celebrity!)
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To: justiceseeker93
CBS News, the source that Red State used to quote Obama, has this addition to the story:

"Update: Obama's campaign clarified the comments about the candidate's great-uncle liberating Auschwitz, saying Obama was "mistaken," and was referring to Buchenwald, not Auschwitz. “Senator Obama’s family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II – especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald," said spokesman Bill Burton. "

23 posted on 05/27/2008 7:23:16 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Revolting cat!

You don’t understand:

Democrats(Smart): Carter, Clinton, Clinton, Obama

Republicans (Dumb and often old): Reagan, Bush, Bush, Quayle, (most likely McCain, once they start on him).

Smart Democrats just misspeak and can correct it. Dumb and old Republicans are dumb for no reason and can’t correct it.


24 posted on 05/27/2008 7:23:58 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: GunnyB

I wouldn’t necessarily think that military service is a necessity for the presidency, but the candidate should know American history well and the role of the American military within that history. Obama doesn’t meet any of these criteria!


25 posted on 05/27/2008 7:24:10 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: keepitreal; All
Speaking of misspeak, Obama delivered the commencement address at Wesleyan University (in Connecticut) over the weekend and referred to the school as "Wellesleyan." This interesting because he he might have had Wellesley - the alma mater of Her Royal Thighness - on his mind.
26 posted on 05/27/2008 7:28:37 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Bokababe
Bill Burton, the Obama spokesman you quoted, happens to have worked as assistant press secretary(?) in the Clinton White House. He's not the only Clintonista who has deserted the ship.
27 posted on 05/27/2008 7:33:06 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Abbeville Conservative

According to the US Holocaust Museum, Obama’s uncle’s Infantry Division didn’t just liberate one of the camps that made up Buchenwald. It was the first Nazi concentration camp liberated by US troops in all of Germany.


28 posted on 05/27/2008 7:33:47 PM PDT by soupcon
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To: justiceseeker93

“Bill Burton, the Obama spokesman you quoted, happens to have worked as assistant press secretary(?) in the Clinton White House. He’s not the only Clintonista who has deserted the ship.”

Well then, he’s used to spinning away “misstatements”. He’s had lots of practice. It just depends on the meaning of .....(fill in the blank).


29 posted on 05/27/2008 7:36:18 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: Bokababe; keepitreal
Correction: Bill Burton (if he's the same individual) was the Clinton White House assistant chief of staff. So if that's the case, he's even a bigger desertion from the Clinton camp than I had originally thought.
30 posted on 05/27/2008 7:53:48 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: soupcon
Would-be writers are told that to be successful, "write about what you know".

In front of men who had served our country in a way BHO never did, or will, the best BHO could come up with from his own life is this anecdote about a relative he apparently barely knew, or cared enough about to get the story right.
31 posted on 05/27/2008 7:54:44 PM PDT by kenavi ("My mudder thanks you, my fodder thanks you, and Obama thanks you!")
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To: Clintonfatigued

But is the uncle real or not? He’s supposedly a vet so if he’s real it should be easy to find his military information right?

If he’s real then I guess nobody’s going to care if he got the name of the particular camp wrong, but if he’s not real or didn’t really serve then that’s a BIG deal and could cost him the election!


32 posted on 05/27/2008 8:23:44 PM PDT by CatherinePPP
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To: CatherinePPP
But is the uncle real or not?

Apparently, they've corrected the story to say that it was a great-uncle whose division participated in the liberation of Buchenwald.

33 posted on 05/27/2008 8:32:38 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: ml/nj; firebrand; rmlew; dennisw; juliej; nyyankeefan; OldFriend; fieldmarshaldj; montag813; ...

Ping!


34 posted on 05/27/2008 8:55:17 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Clintonfatigued; SandRat; BillyBoy; river rat; ExTexasRedhead; justiceseeker93; Bokababe; ...
I can't stand Obama, but this seems like an innocent mistake for me. First, as to the Uncle/Great Uncle thing, I have several great-uncles -- and I have always called each one "Uncle" and "my uncle" not "Great Uncle" and "my great uncle" -- i.e., my Uncle Roy, my Uncle Joe etc. So I don't fault him for that. Second, most Americans, sadly, don't know a damn thing about history and can easily get the concentration camps confused. There's no political advantage I can see in saying that your uncle liberated Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald (the facts indicate that yes, his great uncle did indeed help liberate Buchenwald). Either way the point (a weak one) is the same -- that you obviously don't hate Jews because a distant relative once helped saved them.

Most likely, Obama just got the concentration camps confused -- and was too lazy to care. I don't detect any malice, and we'll look foolish trying to make an issue out of this. Like Obama, most Americans sadly don't know the difference between Buchenwald and Auschwitz, and don't care to know.

35 posted on 05/27/2008 9:39:24 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Barack Obama, on the campaign trail, said his uncle helped liberate Auschwitz.

He was right, you know, because he was talking about...


UNCLE JOE

36 posted on 05/27/2008 10:03:32 PM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Words MEAN things — and wars can be started or avoided by the spoken word...

He who speaks in haste without facts or knowledge - can get us all killed..

Obama proves over and over and over again - he is a fool, a liar, a racist, an America hater, a deceiver — or all at once.

Sadly there is not one SINGLE attribute he demonstrates that would trump ANY of the flaws in his character.
Being a male voter - his “smile” doesn’t melt my heart or freeze my brain..

That is precisely why many women shouldn’t have the privilege of voting.

I am now securely in my bunker and safely prepared for the anticipated incoming....


37 posted on 05/27/2008 10:10:11 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: ChicagoHebrew
...most Americans, sadly, don't know a damn thing about history.

Anyone who wants to be president of the United States must know history a hell of a lot better than "most Americans", because he is seeking to become the heir to a great constitutional tradition of government that has preceeded him. The oath of office, where the new president pledges - among other things - fidelity to the Constitution, is meaningless if the person taking the oath is ignorant as to what is in the Constitution and what his predecessors have done under it.

Also, there is a difference between addressing a great uncle as "Uncle" in person, as you and I have done, and referring to a great uncle as "uncle" in a political speech to strangers. The former is perfectly acceptable, the latter is fudging.

Frankly, I'm just sick and tired of historical fudging by Democratic candidates for president. It was only the last presidential campaign that John Kerry overplayed - to be polite - his military service in Vietnam, from whence he returned to make up or magnify allegations of atrocities by his comrades in arms. Before that, there was all the Clinton lies about numerous controversial events in his background. And even before that, there was the JFK PT boat story, which portrayed him in a much more positive light than later historians did. A free society can not survive with revisionist historical propaganda spread by its supposed leaders.

38 posted on 05/27/2008 10:20:02 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: ChicagoHebrew
Nothing is adding up including the spin. Check out the reference posts on this thread. You may want to start at post 36. There was no confusion here.
39 posted on 05/27/2008 10:20:26 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Rhetorical question?


40 posted on 05/28/2008 2:05:23 AM PDT by Impy (Hey Media, where are the tears for Mary Jo Kopechne?)
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To: Revolting cat!
Hey, the spelling of tomatoe by a Republicans is news

The supposed spelling of tomatoe by a Republican. Actually Dan Quayle was in an elementary school classroom during a spelling lesson. The teacher in that classroom held up a card for Quayle to read with the infamous spelling on it. And, as they say, the rest is (invented) history.

ML/NJ

41 posted on 05/28/2008 4:19:10 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ChicagoHebrew; freekitty; gonzo; romanesq; oswegodeee; Piquaboy; SouthTexas; navyguy; ...

Osama Hussein Obama tells stories and/or lies to whichever group he’s trying to do a snow job on. He’s an empty-headed Muslim Manchurian candidate whose goal is to turn the United States into a third-world toilet. Once you accept his Liberal intention to destroy everything we cherish, mainly personal freedom, and his intentions of destroying your children and grandchildren’s futures, you will have little pity for anything this Manchurian candidate says or does. It’s as if we’re watching Hitler rise to power and saying, “he means well so excuse what he’s saying and doing.”


42 posted on 05/28/2008 7:24:14 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ExTexasRedhead
He says nothing better than anyone else can. A lie told often enough is eventually presumed to be the truth.
43 posted on 05/28/2008 7:52:23 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Typical white person, bitter, religious, gun owner, who will "Just say No to BO (or HRC).")
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To: ExTexasRedhead
I fully agree. What pisses me off is that nearly 55 MILLION so called Americans AGREE with this kind of crap. It shows what has come to this country and started the destroying from with in. A CANCER that needs to be cut out and destroyed before the REPUBLIC AS FOUNDED is turned on its ear. IF Obama wins, and they have a Marxist's controlled Peoples Congress, I shudder to think of the laws they will make and the rules on our behavior they will install. They will legalize fagot homosexual marriage and the like, take away personal freedoms, swamp us with global warming taxes (because the ONLY WAY TO FIX GLOBAL WARMING IS TO TAX OUR ASSES OFF!!!!), cut down the military, take away benefits to everyone who has earned them, tax us out of our minds, make Marxists laws, and begin to RULE us. They will change the laws, with the help of liberal courts and appointed liberal judges, probably impeach conservative judges for some stupid made up offenses, put in more liberal judges, start making enough laws that we cannot change them without a revolution. Thankfully, I am in the last 1/3 of my life and will not have to put up with this garbage much longer. My wife and I have spoken many times about if we were in our mid-20’s now, what we would do, where we could go, to get away from this, but decided the whole world is going crazy on this garbage, thus there is no where to go to escape it. Sadly, I think in my life time I may see the end of the greatest Republic on the face of God's Green Earth. I don't think there are enough of us who care about the Republic as founded any more to stand up and fight for it. We are out numbered by the socialists and the give me all mine free gangs.
44 posted on 05/28/2008 8:09:41 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (No matter which one is elected, America may very well never recover from the damage to be done.)
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To: Arrowhead1952; oswegodeee; freekitty; RetiredArmy; Old Sarge; romanesq; gonzo; SouthTexas

I believe that was the way Joseph Goebbels brainwashed the German people during Hitler’s rise to power.


45 posted on 05/28/2008 8:18:58 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: river rat

No flame here, but let’s be real—you don’t think there are men, homosexual AND heterosexual, who aren’t taken in by Bambi’s fluttering lashes?


46 posted on 05/28/2008 8:24:29 AM PDT by ariamne (Proud shieldmaiden of the infidel--never forget, never forgive 9/11)
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To: Alia
Do I think Barack really cares about Veterans and PTSD? No, Not very much.

I am retired U.S. Army, thus a veteran. Do I believe Osama Obama cares about me and my fellow veterans. Absolutely NO!!! I don't think he gives one tinkers damned about the military. I think he is the second coming of Stalin, Hitler, Ho Chi Min or like person. Someone who wants to RULE, rather than be a leader. I have more leadership in my @$$ hole than Obama has in his entire body. (Sorry about the language ladies, but it is how I feel). If I were on active duty now and Obama became president, I would retire or get out. I would be unable to hold my mouth shut while he was my president, thus commander in chief. I'd get court-martialed for my mouth about him. Thus, I'd have to get out to keep from getting jailed. Hell, I may wind up jailed by them yet. But, at least this way, they have to come and get me. I don't think we'll get to the trial phase if they come, cause I ain't going quietly.

47 posted on 05/28/2008 8:32:42 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (No matter which one is elected, America may very well never recover from the damage to be done.)
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To: RetiredArmy; freekitty; Piquaboy; romanesq; oswegodeee; Old Sarge; gonzo; SouthTexas; ...

IMO, exposure is what will bring down Liberals who are home-grown enemies of America. IMO, Liberals are as much our enemies as Al Qaeda. Conservatives have got to take back the Republican Party or start a new one. Third parties have never worked so, our only option, is to organize and take back the GOP. I have no answers as to how to accomplish this immense task. We are desperate for strong leadership and the financial backing to expose the truth that the MSM and Liberals are hiding. We need to get our message out by way of radio, newspaper, and TV ads. We need to be powerful enough to pressure the leadership of the GOP so they know their days of destroying our Party are over. Allowing Liberals and RINO’s to destroy America and our children and grandchildren’s futures is not an option. I, for one, don’t want to go to my grave living in a country that has been turned into a third-world toilet with no freedom.


48 posted on 05/28/2008 8:33:23 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: justiceseeker93
" I wouldn’t necessarily think that military service is a necessity for the presidency, but the candidate should know American history well and the role of the American military within that history. Obama doesn’t meet any of these criteria!"

Not only history of America but he/she should know how many states are in our glorious country, right?"

I don't think Kenyan History is a totally necessity and that seems to be his forte'!

49 posted on 05/28/2008 8:34:51 AM PDT by oswegodeee (Dee) ( Born in the South and raised in a G_D centered home)
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To: clintonh8r
'Unfortunately, many Americans, in their mostly well-intended enthusiasm to honor veterans, have definitely lost their understanding of the difference between the meaning of Veterans’ Day and Memorial Day.'

...For this I place the blame at the feet of both our Miseducation system and the Lamestream Media; the Public Schools for the dumbing down and deletion of American history, and the MSM for their incessant anti war, anti Bush, and anti military sentiments.

The deaths of the fallen are reduced to a breathless body count, and our country's history is revised by Marxists disguised as American citizens for public consumption.

50 posted on 05/28/2008 8:36:52 AM PDT by T Lady (The Mainstream Media: Public Enemy #1)
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