Posted on 05/27/2008 7:09:52 PM PDT by Libloather
Obama mistaken on name of Nazi death camp
By CHRISTOPHER WILLS, Associated Press Writer
28 minutes ago
NORTH LAS VEGAS, Nev. - The Barack Obama campaign said Tuesday the candidate mistakenly referred to the wrong Nazi death camp when relating the story of a great uncle who helped liberate the camps in World War II.
The Democratic presidential candidate said the story is accurate except that the camp was Buchenwald, not Auschwitz.
"Senator Obama's family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II — especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald," campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement. "Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically."
Aides said Tuesday that his grandmother's brother, Charlie Payne, helped liberate a Buchenwald sub-camp in April 1945 as part of the 89th Infantry Division.
In a meeting Monday with veterans, Obama discussed the importance of improving treatment for soldiers suffering post-traumatic stress. To illustrate his point, he talked about his own family.
"I had an uncle who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps. The story in our family was that when he came home, he just went up into the attic and he didn't leave the house for six months," Obama said. "Now, obviously something had really affected him, but at that time there just weren't the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain."
Auschwitz was liberated by Soviet forces as they marched across Poland in January 1945. The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum says Americans liberated several death camps in Germany, including Buchenwald, Dachau and Mauthausen.
"On April 4, 1945, the 89th overran Ohrdruf, a subcamp of the Buchenwald concentration camp. Ohrdruf was the first Nazi concentration camp liberated by U.S. troops in Germany," according to the museum. "A week later, on April 12, Generals Dwight D. Eisenhower, George S. Patton, and Omar Bradley visited Ohrdruf to see, firsthand, evidence of Nazi atrocities against concentration camp prisoners."
Obama's mistaken mention of the camp on Monday quickly generated Internet chatter, ranging from puzzlement to outrage. The Republican Party demanded an explanation.
"It was Soviet troops that liberated Auschwitz, so unless his uncle was serving in the Red Army, there's no way Obama's statement yesterday can be true," said Alex Conant, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee.
To make it worse, I believe this would have been a - ssshhhh! - WHITE great uncle.
ROTFL.
Wow! In the past 24 hours this story has been posted here on the average of once every 4.54 minutes.
Goober, I like that. It fits.
Would anyone know if this was picked up by Howie Carr or other radio hosts?
I really like Howie the most out of all the radio talk show hosts, he’s a smart man..
I respectfully disagree with the appropriation of the word "goober" for this application .
> Aides said Tuesday that his grandmother’s brother, Charlie Payne, helped liberate a Buchenwald sub-camp in April 1945 as part of the 89th Infantry Division.
Alright, this should be blood-simple to prove or disprove.
Payne, Charles. 89th Infantry Division. April 1945.
Was he there at Buchenwald, or not? And in what capacity? Believe it or not, the US Military keeps excellent service records: there will be no mistake one way or another.
And I do believe these are a matter of public record now. Does anyone know how to check this out? I’m a foreigner otherwise I’d check it out myself.
There is nothing more despicable than a Valor Thief.
I did a little investigating, and found that the division his great uncle belonged to (the 89th Infantry Division) is nicknamed “The Flying W” - heh, heh, heh... kindof ironic...
...in other news, Dan Quayle is a dummy...
I post. You decide.
Is that right? (Not the ironic part...)
Kenyan tribesman liberates Buchenwald singlehandedly.
This specific error may be important to some folks, but what bothers me is the consistency of his errors and the narrowness of his experience each one betrays.
Was it one of these four WWII Kansas-natives named Charles Payne...??? Can some FreeperSleuths investigate better than I???
World War II Kansas Veterans Index
Surname: Payne
Given Name(s): Charles
Branch: Army
Your search returned 4 results.
Results 1 through 4
Name Service Service # Registration Place Comments
Payne, Charles A. Inducted 11 April 1942, Army 37255144 Registered, order # 2043 Lyons, Rice Co. (Board # 1)
Payne, Charles E. Inducted 9 June 1943, Army 37531353 Registered, order # V11125 Augusta, Butler Co. (Board # 2)
Payne, Charles J. Inducted 12 September 1942, Army 37223827 Registered, order # 11191 Wichita, Sedgwick Co. (Board # 3)
Payne, Charles L. Enlisted 1 October 1942, Army 0498672 Registered, order # U-894 Fort Scott, Bourbon Co. (Board # 1)
Pages: 1 |
Source: Adjutant General Armed Forces Personnel Who Served between September 16, 1940, and June 30, 1946.
We’ve got to get a good nickname for Obama.
We had flip-flopper for Kerry.
Butt Obama is more like “A Lie a Day”
Any ideas.
From Obama’s books “ in his own words:
From Dreams of My Father: “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.”
From Dreams of My Father: “I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mothers race.”
From Dreams of My Father: “There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.”
From Dreams of My Father: “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”
From Dreams of My Father: “I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”
From Audacity of Hope: “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
I guess Obama will use them whiteys if he finds it convenient.
We’ll need his serial number, these were used before the SS numbers were used. I know, I have a serial number. If someone can get nobama’s uncle’s serial number we’ll have the man.
Barack is wrong about this, too.
He needs to see the movie, Let there be light
Someone might need to explain to Obama the Muslim militant that when you're a hole, you should quit digging. What an idiot, and this POS wants to be our President.
Thanks for that — I’ve checked two of the links from there, and by all reports it would have been a rotten place to have to attend: for three hours or three days or three minutes.
So the question still remains: was Payne, Charles there with the 89th, or not? And was he Obama’s great-uncle?
Does the 89th have an Alumni Association, or something similar? Surely they must...
The Lads will be getting thin-on-the-ground by now, there may not be very many from the 89th left. But there will be records somewhere.
(Yeah, it REALLY bugs me when people steal Valor. People have tried to snow me many times on the basis of their stolen Valor, claiming deeds of derring-do that they have never done. It should actually bug everybody when this happens.)
Did you look up Rolla?
14. Rolla Charles PAYNE was born 23 August 1892 in Olathe, Johnson County, Kansas and died in Kansas in October 1968.
http://genealogy.about.com/od/aframertrees/p/obama_two.htm
Re “Hussein Obomber can’t look like a complete idiot every day - can he?”
He sure it trying to.
Let’s encourage him in his efforts.
O-bama; O-bama; O-bama!
It was a recon unit that got there first, but the 89th was a fully-functioning fighting infantry division of several regiments. The 355th Regiment is the one which occupied the area with the 4th Armored Division.
It’s not clear how long the 355th held the area, but it was more than a few hours.
"The Great Black Quayle."
> 14. Rolla Charles PAYNE was born 23 August 1892 in Olathe, Johnson County, Kansas and died in Kansas in October 1968.
Fascinating! And great sleuthing!
In 1945 that would have made him — what — 53 years old?? And he would have died when his favorite great-nephew Barak Hussein Obama was 7 years old.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm...
Curiouser and curiouser!
By now, my Bullsh!t Detector is going “AaaaaahhWOOOOOO-gahhh! AaaaaahhWOOOOOO-gahhh! AaaaaahhWOOOOOO-gahhh! AaaaaahhWOOOOOO-gahhh! ALL HANDS ON DECK NOW HEAR THIS! I SAY AGAIN NOW HEAR THIS!”...
...of course, your mileage may vary. But I doubt it!
This could be Obama’s Swiftboat... just perhaps.
The Black-fronted Wood-quail (Odontophorus atrifrons) is a species of bird in the Odontophoridae family. It is found in Colombia and Venezuela. Its natural habitat is subtropical or tropical moist montane forests. It is threatened by habitat loss.
How cool is THAT? (With JUST a hint of wooden Algore!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-fronted_Wood_Quail
Relax, the Charles Payne in question was Rolla’ son—Grandma Dunham’s brother.
I have been doing some genealogy research in this matter..BHO’s white Great/grand-parents were Rolla Charles Payne and Leona McCurry. They had three children, Madelyn Lee Payne, B:1922 (grandma); Charles W. Payne,B:1924; and Arlene Payne, B: 1926. The only “Charles W. Payne” that could find who seved during WWII was in the Navy... Still researching!!
Did Rolla's so-called wife poop a kid named Charles? (But then again, that wouldn't make the poor soul Obamber's a great uncle - would it?) That's all I've got.
> Relax, the Charles Payne in question was Rolla’ son—Grandma Dunham’s brother.
Right then — let’s see if Charles Payne JUNIOR’s service record matches the claims. That should be fairly straightforward.
If true, he deserves our Respect. If not, Obama has some ‘splainin to do.
That is indeed the question.
> That is indeed the question.
Indeed it is. Stolen Valor is abhorrent. It is all the moreso when it is done by someone who aspires to be POTUS.
If Obama is lying about this, then he is a POS and deserves a spot on the Wall of Shame.
I’m wondering if Obama’s campaign even have the 87th and Charles Payne straight. Maybe they meant the 83rd Infantry at Langenstein, a part of the Buchenwald complex?
Maybe there were reasons not at all connected to WWII as to why Obama’s Uncle hid in the attic for six months.
Are you sure his uncle wasn’t in the Red Army? BO certainly sounds like one of their commissars.
Where do you find that index. Sedwick County is close to where Obama’s Grandmother was from. I still don’t buy the comment but my Father who is 83 years old he is a WW2 Vet who happened to be in Germany in 1945 as the concentration camps were liberated. Over the years he has not talked about the what he saw. Earlier this year we were in Israel at Yad Vashem and he told me more during our visit there then he ever has in my 50 years. Maybe he never talked as its a painful thing for any human being to talk about.
But my Father is a true American and always wears his flag pin when in a suit. So again Obama paints a off balanced picture of who he is and what he believes.
My Dad as a war Vet thinks So the flag pin issue is big with Vets and the not having the hand over heart as my Father has is during the Star Spangled Banner is a big issue for some voters.
So He spins another Gaffe to the voters.
It bugs the heck out of me too.
> It bugs the heck out of me too.
We owe it to those who came before us to validate-or-otherwise this claim.
If Obama’s uncle/great-uncle served with the 89th Infantry as Obama claims he did, then his great-uncle deserves our Respect and Gratitude. (Obama however had nothing to do with that!)
If he didn’t, then Obama deserves our opprobrium and scorn and strongest possible sanction and derision and contempt. And he ought to face charges for fraud, as a Valor Thief.
At least McCain served. Unlike the war-wimp Bill Clinton. Unlike the Hildebeast. And unlike Obama.
For shame!
Hussein has to go back two generations in his family to find someone who served.
In my family, we have had men serve in every war since my ancestors arrived on American soil in 1895.
One uncle even rode with Black Jack Pershing into Mexico in pursuit of Pancho Villa!
Does that qualify me to be President of the United States?
That’s an excellent point. I’m younger than Obama, and I have a great uncle who served in World War I. I wouldn’t bring that up to show how committed my family was to military service.
Can you beat McCain?
> It bugs the heck out of me too.
Mate, I believe this is an issue that Obama can be gotten on, big-time.
Stolen Valor is an ugly thing. He is stealing valor to become POTUS.
That sucks. That is wrong. He should not be allowed to get away with this.
We can stop that from happening. I am a foreigner, so arguably it might not matter to me. But it does because it should, for all the right reasons.
Does it matter to you?
I bet it does.
Lets make it matter to everyone else.
No mention of Buchenwald or Auschwitz or Charles Payne here in an interview with Obama on the Ancestry.com’s
Military pagehttp://landing.ancestry.com/military/candidates.aspx?html=obama
>>> In January 1942, Illinois Sen. Barak Obama’s 24-year-old grandfather, Stanley Dunham, said goodbye to his wife and infant and enlisted in the U.S. Army. “He signed up for duty, joined Patton’s army and marched across Europe,” said Sen. Obama of his grandfather’s service. But Obama’s American military heritage extends further back.
In 1917, Obama’s great-grandfather Rolla Payne registered for the WWI draft. This 24-year-old bookkeeper worked for an oil well supply company in Tulsa, Oklahoma and would be called up to serve in the First World War. (Another great-grandfather and a great-great-grandfather also registered for the draft, although neither served in the Great War.)
Obama’s great-great-great-grandfather Robert Wolfey served in the Ohio Infantry during the Civil War. This Union soldier kept the rank of private throughout his service. <<<
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FYI....Ancestry.com’s military records are free to access til the 31st in honor of Memorial Day, all the way to the Revolutionary War. Was able to document things that had only been talked about in the family. PDFs of WWI Draft cards are great, as they have signatures, address, full birthdates, employer, spouse, etc.
Agreed, and we should go through these records like biblical scholars looking for the dead sea scrolls.
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