Radical Islam is Filling a ‘Moral Vacuum’ Left by Decline of Christianity in Britain

dailymail.co.uk ^ | May 28, 2008 | Sean Poulter and Niall Firth

[LikeLight]

Doesn’t “Postmodernism” lead to everyone getting along because no one has a basis to tell someone else that their belief system is defective?

I know I'm preaching to the choir, but it never ceases to amaze me how human arrogance leads so many to assume we can transcend the need for morals or, in the alternative, that we can somehow have morals without God.

[MrB]

Have you read CS Lewis’ Mere Christianity?

It addresses the morals/ethics question in a very convincing manner - even to those who would try to claim that there should be no preference for any set of moral values, because they’re all equal.

[Mr. Dough]

They should make this fellow Archbishop of Canterbury. But I doubt they will.

I was blessed to attend several services in cathedrals in the UK last year; what I hadn’t realized before was that they apparently believe salvation is only to be attained through perfect diction.

[LikeLight]

Have you read CS Lewis’ Mere Christianity?

Perhaps the most essential book I've read, short of the Bible.

[Cacique]

btt

[Mind-numbed Robot]

As with capitalism, where one man sees trash, another sees opportunity. In this case, the ones that are taking advantage of the opportunity are Muslims intent on spreading throughout the western hemisphere.

I agree. Radical Islam is a political/religious system not just a religion as is Christianity. The Muslim history has been to take over militarily strong enemies by slowly and quietly infiltrating them and then, once they had the numbers, to strike in the dead of night and slay them.

They are in that process now.

[dan1123]

Contraception. That was the root of the seemingly instantaneous and universal collapse.

Let me think this through. Before contraception, if unmarried people had sex then they would risk children. Even if abortion was available, it's not a quick fix and you can't do it privately in your own home. So risking children means that there is a fear of/respect for sex. People also therefore respect institutions that restrain sexual desire. It also means that women cannot be expected to not get pregnant. Therefore jobs for women would be restricted to positions that were not essential, because they would have to have maternity leave at minimum, or quit altogether. So men are the primary earners, women (wives) are more or less restricted to the home, not because they can have children, but because they cannot control when they will not.

In comes contraception, and suddenly sex is no longer a fearful/respected act. Religious institutions seen reflexively as protecting children from being born to unwed young mothers are seen as outdated. Women can be hired with the expectation that they will essentially never get pregnant. STD's are largely manageable as far as the workplace is concerned (and AIDS continues to be very rare in the heterosexual population). Divorce gets a lot easier now that women can depend on careers to take them through. Casual sex causes emotional disconnect in marriage to help spur on divorce. Marriage gets diluted and we end up with gay "marriage" and polygamy not looking so bad.

In the end, churches and government have to operate based on the expectation that culture moves on fear of natural consequence rather than any higher moral or legal function. It's sad in many ways, but what do we do now that the genie is out of the bottle and reshaped our culture? Contraception may eventually get banned by law or cultural revolution, but how long can that be expected to stay in place?

I see two possible outcomes:

1. Some horrendous STD would have to sweep through and kill more people than the plague and sex is then respected and feared once again.
2. The cultures that promoted contraception use will see their societies dissolve from lack of families with children and be taken over by forceful theocratic (Muslim?) or autocratic totalitarian societies.

[ExTexasRedhead]

Check this out. History is truly repeating itself. This time Christians and Jews alike will be targeted as well as conservatives.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/736686/the-universities-witchhunt-against-the-jews.thtml

[oswegodeee]

I think that the post WWII kids like myself, were spoiled, however my folks were europeans and they kept the rod handy.. but I remember my friends dating as early as 14, I was not allowed to, also the schools were pretty lenient but I went to Catholic School even though my folks were Jewish/Catholic. So I had a strict education, the Nuns would smack us for sure. I remember girls in high school the public one, saying they smoked pot, I didn't even know what it was. The music radically changed also in the 60's, it went from spoon, honeymoon to sex and drugs and anti war and it has gotten only worse.. Many kids I went to school with stop going to Church or Temple, because church made them feel guilty, so when you have sex out of marriage and do drugs, church is an obstacle.

Many books were written then, like "I'M O.K., You"re O.K, and of course many child rearing books, no spanking just time out, so, Yup I guess you could call it the media and of course the courts, also parents stop being strict like their old world parents.

[dan1123]

Yup I guess you could call it the media and of course the courts, also parents stop being strict like their old world parents.

But I don't think the media would be bought if the culture didn't lead somewhat. Sure, you were in a more conservative subculture, and I was also--if less so (and in the '80s and '90s). But the overarching macro-societal level is different. Ir has *never* turned on a dime like it did in the 1960s in history. The cause has to be unprecedented and to point to unprecedented inventions as a cause is a good idea. Television probably was able to push things along. However, the birth control pill is an unprecedented invention that cuts to the heart of society. That is the big-mover caliber necessary to change things fast.

[oswegodeee]

However, the birth control pill is an unprecedented invention that cuts to the heart of society. That is the big-mover caliber necessary to change things fast.

You are absolutely right. The pill, and then the IUD made a safe means of being promiscuous without paying the penalty of being an unwed mother or having a shotgun marriage. With the introduction of the pill and other means of birth control, came an anything goes society of young people and it wasn't until HIV that some people started being more selective. The courts however had an enormous effect on the society of the sixties and seventies with the most liberal judges ever seen. It truly is such a shame that America lost her way and I believe we as a people will have to apologize to G_d for this time, we make Sodom and Gomorrah look like a birthday party!

[redstates4ever]

Radical Islam - God’s instrument of chastisement in years to come?

[Mrs. Don-o]

I'd express it somewhat differently in parts, but I think you got that about right. George Gilder's 1992 book Men and Marriage laid out the case exceedingly well, and I see Amazon has it in the used category for seven cents (!) So I really recommend that you get it and be bowled over by the insights.

The main thing about the sexual revolution is, it ruins things for kids. In a hundred different ways. If people really cared for children they would have said no to the Sexual Revolution; and people who want to see their civilization survive for another generation inevitably see themselves becoming more and more sexually conservative (it used to be called "decent, moral, sane, healthy, honorable") --- moreso and moreso, the more you see and experience in life and the more you think about it.

[dan1123]

The main thing about the sexual revolution is, it ruins things for kids...If people really cared for children they would have said no to the Sexual Revolution

It's sad, but most people do not think that far. Culture depends far to much on fear of natural consequence than people's rational though and compassion. I'm concerned about what we can do to change it back. Identifying the cause is one thing, but fixing it is a whole other step. One thing that comes to mind is using environmental laws to stop use of the birth control pill. Since there have already been reports of those hormones found in groundwater, it wouldn't be much of a stretch. Do you think the EPA could be the solution to our family problem? What a crazy twist that would be!

the more you see and experience in life and the more you think about it.

Heh, I'm still not 30 yet so I've done more thinking than I should be allowed at my age :-).

[snugs]

I subscribe to his monthly newsletter and have heard him speak in the flesh at a conference in the west country many years ago. A great man God Bless him.

He needs our prayers at present just having undergone back sugery.

This was the message in his May newsletter

“The surgery, though overall successful, bore some complications that will create a longer recovery time for him as well as a longer hospital stay. Yet the hope is that once he is fully recovered, the problems he was experiencing will be alleviated for the long term.”