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Ann Fisher commentary: Gay-rights foes will be minority before long
The Columbus (OH) Dispatch ^ | Wednesday, May 28, 2008 | Ann Fisher

Posted on 05/28/2008 6:38:36 PM PDT by Comparative Advantage

A state lawmaker from New Albany backed a bill this year that would give employment and housing protection to Ohio's gays and transsexuals.

That took some courage because the Senate leaders of his party, the Republicans, have no patience for the legislation. And similar bills never have received much attention in Ohio, let alone on-the-record hearings.

But Sen. David Goodman said his active endorsement of Senate Bill 305 was a no-brainer after a conversation in March with his father, a prominent Harvard-trained lawyer. That day, he reminded his son why Jewish law firms first opened in Columbus: No one else would hire Jewish lawyers at the time.

That sort of discrimination is illegal now in Ohio -- unless you're gay.

Later that day in March, Goodman received a call from a friend who is pushing for Senate Bill 305 and House Bill 502, companion measures that were introduced that month. His friend asked him to co-sponsor the Senate bill.

"How could I say 'No' after what my father had told me about my own family's past?" Goodman said.

Gay-rights opponents still carry the day in Ohio, so those of us on the other side still celebrate even a few Senate hearings on the bill. But those days might be numbered.

Another generation of voters -- and the people they elect to represent them -- will be taking over in a few years. If the polls are any indication, they won't tolerate intolerance.

Research and exit-poll data studied by the Center for Information & Research on Civic Learning & Engagement suggest that youth support for equal protections for gay people crosses partisan, ideological and religious lines.

The same data indicate that, across the board, at least 85 percent of people ages 15-25 support equal protection in housing and employment.

Eighty-five percent. That same group now falls within the age range of 19-29.

State Rep. Dan Stewart, a Columbus Democrat, has worked on this issue since he was a Senate legislative aide a decade ago. Now sponsor of the House bill, Stewart said the hearings are a good sign because they "advance the education and the cause."

His colleagues are getting smarter and better educated about the issue, and better prepared to respond to the form letters sent by those who say that equal protection is somehow a "special status" when it comes to gays and transsexuals.

And those who say that such laws will bring a flood of lawsuits are just plain wrong, according to a 2002 report on 13 states by the U.S. General Accounting Office.

In the end, the only valid opposition is personal. No one, for example, can change the mind of the angry older man who called to criticize me for my support of gay rights, calling me an embarrassment to journalism.

He'll take that hate with him to the grave. And tolerance will bloom in his wake.

Ann Fisher is a Dispatch Metro columnist. She can be reached at 614-461-8759 or by e-mail. Check out her blog Furthermore… at blog.dispatch.com/ann/.

afisher@dispatch.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: culturewar; downourthroats; homosexualagenda; inourfaces; lavendermafia
Ann must be one of those Suburu drivers. She seems to always write about this subject.
1 posted on 05/28/2008 6:38:36 PM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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To: Comparative Advantage
When the rhetoric gets to this point I know that hope is in sight....

for the freaking collapse of this insanity.

2 posted on 05/28/2008 6:40:06 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The road to hell is paved with euphemisms.)
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To: Comparative Advantage

Sheesh!!!
Now I’m a triple minority!!


3 posted on 05/28/2008 6:42:34 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: Comparative Advantage

Any Fisher???

Wow...judging from her porno tape, she sure knows more than the rest us (smirking).


4 posted on 05/28/2008 6:42:40 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Comparative Advantage

Sorry. I’m supposed to bow down to a 1-5% fraction of the population, in the name of political correctness??


5 posted on 05/28/2008 6:48:07 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Comparative Advantage

Homosexuality is a behavior. Behaviors cannot have rights


6 posted on 05/28/2008 6:55:41 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Election '08, the year McCain defined the word "dilemma")
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To: Comparative Advantage
He'll take that hate with him to the grave. And tolerance will bloom in his wake.

Fisher's not a "columnist", but just another dime store sloganeer. 

7 posted on 05/28/2008 7:03:42 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the girly-man population. Have the McCainiacs spayed or neutered.)
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To: Comparative Advantage

Can you can your race?

Then how can you change your sex?

The DNA remains the same.


8 posted on 05/28/2008 7:06:12 PM PDT by weegee (We cant keep our homes on 72 at all times & just expect that other countries are going to say OK -BO)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Stop the oppression of nose pickers now!!!!


9 posted on 05/28/2008 7:07:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I miss the days when only the politicians were unethical.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
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10 posted on 05/28/2008 7:23:34 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Comparative Advantage

Back in the 70’s when I was young I had a fairly neutral opinion of homosexuals. Then a pair of them moved into the apartment below mine. They had drunken, drug-filled, multi-partner orgies every weekend and the sounds I heard coming through the floor from that apartment were enough to make me consider homocide a couple of times.

Once straight, “tolerant” people witness the kinds of perverted behaviors these queers engage in they will likely change their minds really fast unless they are already so open-minded that their brains fell out long ago.


11 posted on 05/28/2008 7:23:59 PM PDT by 43north (I did not leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left me.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
When the rhetoric gets to this point I know that hope is in sight.... for the freaking collapse of this insanity.

First, the homosexual advocates try to conflate their perversion with race and then attempt to claim the mantle of race civil rights. People who can think critically have never accepted that argument. Eventually, even most of those who were fooled by the false comparison initially, have come to reject it.

No one else would hire Jewish lawyers at the time. That sort of discrimination is illegal now in Ohio -- unless you're gay.

Now, these advocates want to equate homosexual behavior with an ethnicity and a religion.

Of course, this begs the question, of “conversion.” That is to say, one can, by choice of will, “convert” from one religion to another. Therefore, if the comparison is to hold, then homosexuals must allow that one can “convert,” by choice of will, from being “gay” to being “ex-gay.”

Such a concession from the homosexual activists skewers the “born gay” position. Beyond “skewering” this admission is a complete repudiation of the “born gay” assertion. The only conclusion left is that homosexual behavior is purely a choice.

Logically, if homosexual behavior is a choice that is to be equivalent to religion, then where are “commandments,” the behavior codes, the formally stated value propositions, metaphysical principles, etc.? If there were formally enunciated statements that were congruent with observed homosexual behavior, the majority of the public would reject such out pure revulsion.

You original observation is apparently correct.
12 posted on 05/28/2008 7:32:05 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Lucky Dog

Boy, is this ever a slippery slope. You WILL see practicers of beastiality, pedophiles, sadists, rapists, and even murderers declare themselves a “minority”. The Bible foretold this by talking about the days when “evil is called good, and good is called evil”. Those days have arrived.


13 posted on 05/28/2008 7:57:03 PM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

Unfortunately, it appears that you may have a point.


14 posted on 05/28/2008 8:00:00 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Fox_Mulder77

Me too....I’m white, I’m not gay and I have guns.


15 posted on 05/28/2008 8:05:44 PM PDT by Gator113 (Obama is a member of the Far Wright Conspiracy.......)
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To: Comparative Advantage

What has Subaru got to do with it? Just asking.......


16 posted on 05/28/2008 8:20:11 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: Comparative Advantage
"How could I say 'No' after what my father had told me about my own family's past?"

What does his "family's past" whatever it is, to do with how how does his job? He was elected by lying to the voters when he pretended to care about their concerns. What really mattered to him was his shitty family's past. What a piece of crap bum.

Can't people do better when they vote? Maybe it takes a few more of these self-important bungholes to hit the light. Who knows?

17 posted on 05/28/2008 9:06:40 PM PDT by Octar
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To: gidget7

“What has Subaru got to do with it? Just asking.......”

aka Lesburu.


18 posted on 05/29/2008 3:35:27 AM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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To: Comparative Advantage

Unfortunately fellow freepers, the liberal horde is right about this one. Gay marriage is inevitable. So is gay adoption, pedophilia, polygamy and all other forms of sodomy.

Unfortunately, there is no constitutional place for either marriage, family, gender, ‘childhood’ or any other form of pro-civilization condition. They are not based on law but on tradition, custom and the rather rational notion that surviving is a good thing and these things have proven to continue the species and prevent its decay.

The only thing which keeps gay marriage off the books and makes marriage a legal right is public opinion. The only thing which makes the drinking age 21 is public opinion. The only thing which makes having sex with children illegal is public opinion (in California, its 18 years but in Texas is can be 14 and in some other states even lower as an age of ‘consent’).

Public opinion continues to be on our side and it will be through this current generation. But atheist, socialist judges hate us. They despite our ‘holier than thou’ views of religion and society. They know that they are not numerous enough to challenge us electorally. But the courts are mostly appointed and those appointments are not always made by responsible people (think Florida Supreme Court).

The Supreme Court of California constructed a bizarre two rail bank shot to mandate gay marriage into the CA Constitution despite specific wording in the ACTUAL constitution of the State of California stating that marriage is NOT between two same-sex citizens. They simply replaced the Constitution with their personal will. This is, legal terms, judicial fiat.

This is now the third time that a state supreme court has decided that the gay marriage is ‘too important’ to be left to the legislatures or the people. Only in Hawaii did the people prevent their electors from enacting gay marriage. In MA and CA, the courts were wise to the mistake of Hawaii and did not order the legislature to correct the problem by passing a law. These courts simply established the law themselves and then ordered the state legislators to clean up the details within the rest of the states statutes.

Expect before the end of this decade that at least a handful of other states will have Supreme Courts trump the voters, legislators and constitutions to establish gay marriage in their state. The lawsuits which were the vehicles for this judicial activism were filed back in the 1990s mostly and the others were filed immediately after the US Supreme Court created the mythical constitutional right to sodomy. Queer groups knew immediately that their path to a US Supreme Court decision mandating gay marriage was only a few more appeals away.

This is incredibly bad news for America. And therefore, incredibly bad news for civilization. It is a sign of the ultimate decay of American culture and a hastening of our slide into oblivion just as Greece and Rome did before us when their wealth and success granted them the ‘luxury’ of social liberalism and thus the end of their societal foundation.

We need to keep fighting this if only for the reason that we need to have a reason to exist as a political party (if the GOP ends up remaining our primary home). But it is a losing battle because the law is not on our side.

Marriage, gender, age or family are not Constitutional tenets. The basically do not exist. Rights under our constitution are granted to the individual. We are, legally, just a large group of individual citizens with rights. The queer groups know that ultimately they have to break down not only the family but also the concept of age, gender and morality in order to reach full ‘acceptance’ of their perverse activities. And that is exactly what they have been doing for the last 20 or so years in the courts.

They know that 5 members of a state Supreme Court are more important than 61% of a population of 40 million. And how long it takes for them to completely destroy out entire societal structure depends upon who we elect president, governor or district/superior judges.


19 posted on 05/29/2008 6:46:15 AM PDT by bpjam (Drill For Oil or Lose Your Job!! Vote Nov 3, 2008)
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To: Comparative Advantage

Truth is not subject to a vote, so no matter how small of a minority proclaim it, it remains true.


20 posted on 05/29/2008 6:48:38 AM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: Comparative Advantage
If they're depending on the opinions of college students not changing as said students mature, they're in for a rude awakening.


21 posted on 05/29/2008 6:48:44 AM PDT by Antoninus (John 6:54)
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To: cripplecreek
Stop the oppression of nose pickers now!!!!

LOL. I used to say that all the time as a counterpoint to the butt-sex-rights argument.

You don't have a God-given right to pursue disgusting behaviors. You just don't.
22 posted on 05/29/2008 6:50:36 AM PDT by Antoninus (John 6:54)
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To: bpjam
Unfortunately, there is no constitutional place for either marriage, family, gender, ‘childhood’ or any other form of pro-civilization condition.

Complete piffle. Marriage between one man and one woman is a God-given right. To raise one's children as one sees fit is a God-given right. And children have the God-given right to have their innocence protected. These are tenets of Natural Law. The US Constitution is a product of the belief in Natural Law, and thus, laws which violate the Natural Law should be unconstitutional.

Our problem is that some of our current actual laws (hate crimes laws, pro-abortion laws, gun-grabber laws, etc.) clearly do not reflect the Natural Law. As such, they are unjust and need not be obeyed. They should be overturned by our legislative bodies--and any judge who tries to stop it should be removed from office and imprisoned for overstepping his/her Constitutional bounds.
23 posted on 05/29/2008 6:59:33 AM PDT by Antoninus (John 6:54)
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To: Comparative Advantage

Gays do not reproduce. Liberals barely reproduce. Conservative “homophobes” have large families.

Do the math.


24 posted on 05/29/2008 7:06:42 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Comparative Advantage
Another generation of voters -- and the people they elect to represent them -- will be taking over in a few years. If the polls are any indication, they won't tolerate intolerance.

Somebody predicted in the 1960's that marijuana and other recreational drugs would all be legal by now because everyone who used them in college would become lawyers and legislators and they would legalize it in order to continue using.

25 posted on 05/29/2008 7:14:42 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: gidget7
What has Subaru got to do with it? Just asking.......

Having been born and raised in Massachusetts, I understand your question. Up there, men drive Subarus, too. I've lived in Ohio for the past 16 years, and the truth is, in the MidWest, Subaru=Lesbian or at least extreme tree-hugging, abortion-loving, Birkenstock-wearing female.

26 posted on 05/29/2008 1:34:44 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

How can you have Civil Rights if you are not counted in the Census?


27 posted on 05/29/2008 1:38:04 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

Are you sure you are posting to the right person?

I sure don’t uderstand your queston/post


28 posted on 05/29/2008 2:08:06 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Election '08, the year McCain defined the word "dilemma")
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To: Alouette

What are you talking about? Gays reproduce all the time.


29 posted on 05/29/2008 2:13:20 PM PDT by Crystal Cove
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To: Crystal Cove
Gays reproduce all the time.

Gays are incapable of reproducing "together" with their partners, without including a third party to provide the sperm/egg/womb. Heterosexuals do not have this little problem.

30 posted on 05/29/2008 2:29:15 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Alouette

Gays do not have that problem either. I work with a lesbian who has four children with her ex-husband. They are the biological children of her and her husband, and were conceived naturally. There are countless gay people like her. I don’t know where this comes from — that gay people can’t reproduce. They have the same parts that heterosexuals have.


31 posted on 05/29/2008 3:48:50 PM PDT by Crystal Cove
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To: Crystal Cove
I don’t know where this comes from — that gay people can’t reproduce.

What part of WITH THEIR GAY PARTNERS don't you understand?

I did not say "gays" can't reproduce in a heterosexual relationship.

32 posted on 05/29/2008 3:59:57 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Alouette

Uh, you said “Gays don’t reproduce”, then tried to qualify it. Whatever.


33 posted on 05/29/2008 4:04:24 PM PDT by Crystal Cove
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To: Crystal Cove
you said “Gays don’t reproduce”, then tried to qualify it.

When they are breeding in heterosexual relationships they're not gay, dumbass.

34 posted on 05/29/2008 4:09:32 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Alouette

Classy.


35 posted on 05/29/2008 4:18:21 PM PDT by Crystal Cove
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To: Antoninus

Antoninus, I agree with you but unfortunately God-given is not in the Constitution. While you and I and 200,000,000 Americans agree with these concepts, a handful of lawyers can open up our entire society like a can of sardines.

I wish it were some other way. Jay Sekulow, who is one of the most prominent lawyers fighting the battle against the atheists, believes the same thing. There is simply no long term legal defense for our practices with a constitutional amendment protecting marriage, gender, age of consent and anything else which represents our cultural values.

While we personally believe that violations of Natural Law ‘should’ be unconstitutional, one of the benefits of the Constitution is that is leaves many things up to the people to decide. But since family, marriage and morality are not mentioned in the Constitution, we are relying upon our own better angels and not judges to enforce them.


36 posted on 05/29/2008 4:57:26 PM PDT by bpjam (Drill For Oil or Lose Your Job!! Vote Nov 3, 2008)
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To: Crystal Cove

As a newbie, with your attitude, my first instinct is to classify you as a potential troll.


37 posted on 05/29/2008 5:55:00 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Comparative Advantage

She’s right.


38 posted on 05/30/2008 6:17:50 AM PDT by NucSubs (Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: buccaneer81; Crystal Cove; Alouette

Definitely a troll. ibtz?


39 posted on 05/30/2008 11:05:56 AM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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