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American Airlines' New Bag Policy Discriminates Against Women
vanity | 30 May 2008 | self

Posted on 05/30/2008 8:22:19 AM PDT by nanetteclaret

American Airlines’ new bag policy discriminates against women, because most women will have to check their bag while men will not. As an example, here are the non-solid products my husband and I take when traveling:

My List: Shampoo, Cream Rinse, Body Wash, Body Lotion, Spray Perfume, Toothpaste, Mouthwash, Contact Lens Solution, Glasses Cleaner, Face Cleanser, Toner, Facial Night Cream, Moisturizer, Sunscreen, Vaseline Lip Therapy, Hand Cream, Mascara, Lipgloss

My Husband’s List: Shampoo, Cream Rinse, Toothpaste, Mouthwash, Glasses Lens Cleaner

Since we are required to put our lotions in a quart bag if we want to carry them on board, it is clear that my husband’s items will fit into a quart bag, while mine will not. Thus, I have to check the bag with my items, while he can carry his on. I will have to pay a $25.00 fee, while he will not. Cutting down the number of items I take is not an option because I have very dry skin and it is exacerbated by travel.

Most women use about 3 times as many products on a daily basis as men do. American Airlines’ policy is an example of discrimination against women who have no choice but to check their bags.


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Does anyone have any ideas on how we can protest this policy?
1 posted on 05/30/2008 8:22:21 AM PDT by nanetteclaret
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To: nanetteclaret

Vote with your wallet. otherwise, in a capitalist system, airlines are free to charge what they wish.


2 posted on 05/30/2008 8:24:24 AM PDT by steel_resolve (We are living in the post-rational world where being a moron is an asset)
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To: nanetteclaret

Choose a different airline. They don’t all operate the way AA does.


3 posted on 05/30/2008 8:25:11 AM PDT by Faith
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To: nanetteclaret

“Does anyone have any ideas on how we can protest this policy?”

Use a different airline.


4 posted on 05/30/2008 8:25:12 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: nanetteclaret
bah. Take less stuff so it fits into a bag?
5 posted on 05/30/2008 8:25:28 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead!)
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To: nanetteclaret

Do what I do - boycott the airline that initiates such stupid policies.

I refuse to fly AA and United, the folks who brought us the first checked bag and second checked bag fees. I fly quite a bit and have started using Frontier and Jet Blue as much as possible.


6 posted on 05/30/2008 8:25:47 AM PDT by indcons
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To: nanetteclaret

Maybe you should stop wasting your money on so much useless crap. You are either pretty or not. All the garbage you buy due to your insecurities ends up being at most .5% of your total attractiveness.


7 posted on 05/30/2008 8:26:04 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: nanetteclaret

All this seems to show to me is that women are very high maintenance. /s

//stepping back and waiting for the slap.


8 posted on 05/30/2008 8:26:14 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: nanetteclaret

I’m using Continental this summer...


9 posted on 05/30/2008 8:26:31 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: nanetteclaret

Fly a different airline.

I’m not being sarcastic. If American’s ticket sales plummet they’ll get the message.


10 posted on 05/30/2008 8:26:40 AM PDT by A message
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To: nanetteclaret
Does anyone have any ideas on how we can protest this policy?

Do not fly American.

I do not object to their policy although I think it may encourage too much carry on luggage. American has decided to unbundle its services to raise revenue rather than increasing fares for everyone. This policy does not discriminate against women.

11 posted on 05/30/2008 8:27:21 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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Maybe you should stop wasting your money on so much useless crap. You are either pretty or not. All the garbage you buy due to your insecurities ends up being at most .5% of your total attractiveness.

Do you live alone?

12 posted on 05/30/2008 8:28:02 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: nanetteclaret
My List: Shampoo, Cream Rinse, Body Wash, Body Lotion, Spray Perfume, Toothpaste, Mouthwash, Contact Lens Solution, Glasses Cleaner, Face Cleanser, Toner, Facial Night Cream, Moisturizer, Sunscreen, Vaseline Lip Therapy, Hand Cream, Mascara, Lipgloss
My Husband's List: Shampoo, Cream Rinse, Toothpaste, Mouthwash, Glasses Lens Cleaner

Here is a thought, just carry one bottle of shampoo, toothpaste, and mouthwash. Split all your 'necessities' between the two bags and when you get to your destination, buy small items that you can use in the time you are at your destination.

13 posted on 05/30/2008 8:28:37 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: nanetteclaret

Uhhh, pack your liquids in your suitcase like normal people? I don’t carry my shampoo, toothpaste, mouthwash, etc... on the plane with me. That would be silly.


14 posted on 05/30/2008 8:29:21 AM PDT by SengirV
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To: nanetteclaret
That's ridiculous. If women want to be treated the same as men, then act the same as men. Otherwise, there is no discrimination, just a different response to a different action.
15 posted on 05/30/2008 8:29:44 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: nanetteclaret

Perhaps women can protest by not carrying so much crap.


16 posted on 05/30/2008 8:31:57 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: nanetteclaret
As always women and minorities hit hardest
17 posted on 05/30/2008 8:32:01 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: nanetteclaret

I personally think a better idea would be to charge people with carry on luggage the excess fee instead. Nothing annoys me more than some clown trying to cram their carry on into overhead compartments not designed for anything larger than a true overnight size piece of luggage. It also slows everybody down when trying to get off the plane.
Cheers


18 posted on 05/30/2008 8:32:09 AM PDT by Bahama Mama (FReeper in Paradise)
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To: nanetteclaret
Send your abulations by UPS?

Sorry, I know that's flip. The thing is, American's bag policy screws everybody, not just women. Throwing the sexual discrimination card is just so... progressive.

19 posted on 05/30/2008 8:32:26 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("Never underestimate the hungover side of the Force.")
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To: nanetteclaret

The last few times we’ve used AA personally, the costs have been outrageous, and the service has been, shall we say, like a HOOVER vacuum cleaner?!? >:-(

These exorbitant baggage charges were the last straw for us personally (though DH has to us AA for business travel occasionally)—we’ll be using a different airlines in the future when we travel for vacations, etc. Let’em keep their baggage fees, who needs them in a competitive market?


20 posted on 05/30/2008 8:32:51 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud Rush Conservative with no dog in the presidential race now *sigh*)
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To: Ron Jeremy

Your screen name not withstanding, I can’t help wondering if you actually know any women.


21 posted on 05/30/2008 8:33:44 AM PDT by Maceman (If you're not getting a tax cut, you're getting a pay cut.)
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To: Maceman

Just curious.. how so? Because I don’t think makeup matters? Or because I come off as such a jerk in the above post?


22 posted on 05/30/2008 8:35:04 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: nanetteclaret
New HEADLINE:

Cost of Luggage Allowance Subsidized by Bagless Male Passengers Under Former American Airline Policy


23 posted on 05/30/2008 8:35:23 AM PDT by Hoodat (Bull Moose Party Member)
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To: Ron Jeremy
Typical reactionary attitude “I want it for free”. It cost's money for the Airline to handle Baggage. Baggage handlers aren't cheap.

I think this was really a move by the Airline to put pressure on Baggage Handlers Union.

24 posted on 05/30/2008 8:37:17 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: mnehrling; nanetteclaret
just carry one bottle of shampoo, toothpaste, and mouthwash.

Exactly. Just talk your husband into using the same products as you do.
Also - I have purchased a travel set of small bottles and tubes and the equipment needed to transfer various lotions into them. If you are going somewhere that only requires a carry-on, the small amounts should be sufficient.
I find I can squeeze a whole lot of stuff into that one quart bag if necessary.

25 posted on 05/30/2008 8:37:21 AM PDT by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: Bahama Mama
One of my pet peeves as well. I carry a pillow with my book and a magazine/newspaper and pen to do the X-word or Soduku and I check my bag like a normal human being. When it is time to deplane I have to wait an extra 20 minutes while people negotiate their over-sized luggage out of the overhead bins.

They should just let everyone who isn't going to get into the overhead bins off first, we would clear out of the plane in about 3 minutes or less, then the monkeys who didn't want to wait for baggage claim can make everyone else wait while they wrestle out their luggage.

26 posted on 05/30/2008 8:37:46 AM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: nanetteclaret

Purchase the items after arriving at your destination.


27 posted on 05/30/2008 8:37:57 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: nanetteclaret
I just don't fly AA. I found them "user unfriendly" years ago when I started traveling internationally for work.

If enough people refuse to fly AA based on these rules, they'll back off.

28 posted on 05/30/2008 8:38:17 AM PDT by Allegra (If you lived here, you'd be home by now.)
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To: nanetteclaret

Those who dream up these pricing scheme are demented. People deeply resent having charges tacked on - it is like a violation of the bartering agreement, to their detriment.

I cannot fathom why supposedly successful, intelligent business people do not set the default price higher and then SUBTRACT the associated fees if certain services (i.e. checked baggage) are not requested. Is it simply because they want to have a lower ticket price show up at comparison ticket-shopping sites like Expedia and Travelocity (etc)? If so, the effect will only be transient - they will get one or two good quarters out of the policy before a semi-permanent black stain forms on their brand, with customers labeling them as cheap bastards with petty pricing schemes and “hidden fees”. Stupid stupid stupid.


29 posted on 05/30/2008 8:38:19 AM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: Hoodat

I’ve been subsidizing females for years. They will never understand it that way though.


30 posted on 05/30/2008 8:39:28 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: nanetteclaret
Shampoo, Cream Rinse, Body Wash, Body Lotion, Spray Perfume, Toothpaste, Mouthwash, Contact Lens Solution, Glasses Cleaner, Face Cleanser, Toner, Facial Night Cream, Moisturizer, Sunscreen, Vaseline Lip Therapy, Hand Cream, Mascara, Lipgloss

Here you go, new list. Even takes into account dry skin. Carry the lip balm some place else, those don't have to be in the ziplock. Lose the sun screen in the winter. Use the same tooth paste and shampoo as your husband.

Before anyone asks, yes I am married, and no my wife does not bring that junk.
31 posted on 05/30/2008 8:39:56 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: businessprofessor

American Airlines would have been better off just charging more for their tickets. The American Airlines moron that thought this up should be fired. The only result is fewer passengers because they’ve angered the public. I don’t know where all the morons are coming from, but they’re in abundance these days especially in the service industry.


32 posted on 05/30/2008 8:39:58 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: nanetteclaret

I’m a guy, and the list of “beauty products” I pack on a trip consists of 1) toothpaste, and 2) shaving gel. As far as shampoo, conditioner, mouthwash, and soap are concerned, I use whatever the hotel provides. If I’m staying in a private home, I use whatever shampoo and soap is present in the shower.

I recommend not being so picky with respect to brands, and pack more lightly as a result. Really, it doesn’t make much difference.


33 posted on 05/30/2008 8:40:13 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (May contain traces of tree nuts.)
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To: nanetteclaret
Last November, my boss asked me to make some last minute arrangements at the destination after my Sunday afternoon flight was already ticketed.

Since there were a lot more openings on Sunday morning flights, I went to the airport expected to get a standby ticket per advertised policy. They still charged me $25 for the ticket change on a 40% capacity flight when I was giving up a ticket on a 98% capacity flight at about three times the fare. When I protested, the US Air agent told me that they really did not care about passenger traffic as they made more hauling freight. Maybe he just had an attitude, but if he was on the level, this could explain the reasoning behind the bag charges.

34 posted on 05/30/2008 8:40:40 AM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: nanetteclaret

Any space savings I may have over the wife in the toiletries department are completely chewed up by extra pair of size 13 shoes that get stuffed in my bag.


35 posted on 05/30/2008 8:42:30 AM PDT by Sax
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To: nanetteclaret

If you really have a lot of stuff, (like me) you can go to Disney on the Autotrain. I can load my sportute full of bags, then load the whole vehicle on the train. Finally, I can bring all of my stuff. For people who don’t travel lite.


36 posted on 05/30/2008 8:42:41 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: nanetteclaret

American doesn’t require you to take all that stuff on your flight; you choose to do that. There are plenty of reasons to dislike the policy, but crying “discrimination” when the same policy is applied to everyone equally is just indulging the same liberal silliness behind the current gay “marriage” push.


37 posted on 05/30/2008 8:44:22 AM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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“I will have to pay a $25.00 fee, while he will not.”

It's 25 dollars for the SECOND checked bag. The first bag will be 15 dollars for passengers ticketed on or after June 15th.

And isn't it the TSA that has established the carryon liquid allowance?

38 posted on 05/30/2008 8:44:44 AM PDT by nralife
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To: nanetteclaret

It discriminates against gun owners as well. Guns are required to be in checked baggage, so a fee on checked bags discourages citizens from taking there personal protective equipment with them.


39 posted on 05/30/2008 8:46:15 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: nanetteclaret

What a self absorbed whiner. If it means that much to you mail it to your destination ahead of time. We are supposed to sacrifice our saftey so you can have moist skin?


40 posted on 05/30/2008 8:47:27 AM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

That’s ridiculous. If women want to be treated the same as men, then act the same as men.


We have a WINNER!


41 posted on 05/30/2008 8:47:44 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Guns don't kill people, criminals and the governments that create them do.)
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To: nanetteclaret
Shampoo, Cream Rinse, Body Wash, Body Lotion, Spray Perfume, Toothpaste, Mouthwash, Contact Lens Solution, Glasses Cleaner, Face Cleanser, Toner, Facial Night Cream, Moisturizer, Sunscreen, Vaseline Lip Therapy, Hand Cream, Mascara, Lipgloss

Shampoo, Cream Rinse, Body Wash, Body Lotion,Face Cleanser, Toner, Facial Night Cream, Moisturizer,Sunscreen.....

You carry all this crap on board for what reason? I have to fly about 30 times per year and have never noticed a shower nor a tanning deck on the plane. Jeez, just put the stuff in your luggage.

42 posted on 05/30/2008 8:48:11 AM PDT by Snurple
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To: nanetteclaret

Well boo hoo! Are you just looking for something to complain about? Is that your only problem in life?


43 posted on 05/30/2008 8:49:40 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: nanetteclaret

Your husband should do what I do: “That’s OK, Honey, I don’t need any of that stuff, I’ll just borrow some of yours.”


44 posted on 05/30/2008 8:49:42 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Hillary to Obama: Arkancide happens.)
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To: Vigilanteman
. They still charged me $25 for the ticket change on a 40% capacity flight when I was giving up a ticket on a 98% capacity flight at about three times the fare. When I protested, the US Air agent told me that they really did not care about passenger traffic as they made more hauling freight.

It's much simpler than that: they make more money by charging you $25 than by not charging you $25.

45 posted on 05/30/2008 8:50:41 AM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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To: nanetteclaret

If this causes my wife to leave behind about ten items of clothing that she’s never going to wear on the trip, so she can fit all her toiletries in the suitcase, I’m all for it.
Nevermind all the shoes...

This hurts family vacation-goers in a bigger way than women alone. Family of four checking one bag each is $120 extra (round-trip). Another bag or two at $40/per (golf bags, skis, what have you), and it’s $280 extra.

My question is why American would so aggressively enact a fee that would turn people off instantly. Why not charge for cabin pressurization while they’re at it?


46 posted on 05/30/2008 8:51:03 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: nanetteclaret

Stop carrying so much crap with you.


47 posted on 05/30/2008 8:51:34 AM PDT by lesser_satan (Cthulu '08! Why vote for the lesser evil?)
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To: Sax
Any space savings I may have over the wife in the toiletries department are completely chewed up by extra pair of size 13 shoes that get stuffed in my bag.

Dang! How tall is she? ;)

48 posted on 05/30/2008 8:52:16 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Play that Funky Music Typical White Boy!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

American Airlines is a TURD of an airline...will NEVER use them under any circumstance.


49 posted on 05/30/2008 8:53:26 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Conservatives hate what people do, liberals hate who people are.")
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To: nanetteclaret
My Husband’s List: Shampoo, Cream Rinse, Toothpaste, Mouthwash, Glasses Lens Cleaner

Frankly, I'm worried about your hubby. Looks like a closet Metrosexual to me.

I travel with..toothpaste.

The rest is provided by the hotel. Besides, cream rinse? give me a break. Lens cleaner? use a clean tee shirt.

50 posted on 05/30/2008 8:54:19 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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