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Blame Bush for McClellan
American Thinker ^ | May 30, 2008 | C. Edmund Wright

Posted on 05/30/2008 9:02:52 AM PDT by rob777

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To: roses of sharon
"How about you run for office, or any Freepers?"

I successfully DID run for office........and I still agree with the premise of the above article.

Leni

41 posted on 05/30/2008 10:00:15 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Foot Soldier in FR's Light Verse Brigade)
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To: MinuteGal
Cool, what office? Are you still there?

And the above article is another unproductive bore, same old stuff we have knows since l999, when President Bush ran as a “compassionate” conservative.

And he defeated the Conservatives running against him in the 2000 primaries, no Conservative candidate challenged him in 04, and he beat the liberal Dem, John Kerry.

And the few Conservatives in the House and Senate never really battled him legislatively, when they very well could have.

Either way its just more unproductive sniveling.

Anyway, where are all the Conservative candidates running for Federal and State offices????????? Where do I send my cash, where do I volunteer?

42 posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:14 AM PDT by roses of sharon ( (Who will be McCain's maverick?))
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To: MNJohnnie
I understand you wanna vent, but its all hype & you know it. You KNOW what I'm saying is true.

The left wing of the GOP who are currently running things shot themselves in the back.

43 posted on 05/30/2008 10:25:56 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Brilliant
The Bushes are intensely loyal...??????

To whom?

To the American citizens of the United States when he said...

,,(to the millions who called, faxed, wrote ....begging, pleading with him to not sign the amnesty bill)...

"See you at the signing"...

That type of loyalty?

Yeah...sure...uh huh

44 posted on 05/30/2008 10:28:34 AM PDT by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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To: wideawake
Sadly, there are plenty of such whinging pantywaists even on this forum.

Hey, thats hilarious. Very clever, score one for you.

45 posted on 05/30/2008 10:41:12 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: MNJohnnie
Johnnie:

In fairness it is not the media it is Bush himself. There are many Freepers such as myself who have been posting for years that George Bush is the essential problem. Here is a post which I published as a vanity some hours after the 06 election debacle. If you read through it you will see that it was clear well before that election that we were sleepwalking toward disaster and George Bush was the head zombie. Here is the post:

WHY WE LOST

What happened?

The Republican Party in general and George W. Bush in particular sustained a stinging rebuke from the American electorate. The Republicans lost control of the house and of the Senate. The agenda moves to the Democrats. The power of the purse moves to the Democrats. The power of the subpoena moves to the Democrats. The power to impeach moves to the Democrats. The power to affect foreign policy by, for example, defunding the war moves to the Democrats. The power to appoint conservative judges has been greatly compromised as has been the power to confirm appointments such as ambassador to the United Nations and Secretary of Defense.

The Republican Party has ruptured the bond that held it to the majority of the people of the United States since 1994. When the polls say that the people trust the Democrats more than Republicans on taxes, it means, as Newt Gingrich has said, they fired us because they don't trust us. It is as simple as that, the party has lost the trust of the people.

The Democrats have ideally positioned themselves to strike for the presidency in 08. It has extended its governorships, Senate seats and control, House seats and control, and other levers of power. The Democrats have enhanced their ability to raise campaign funds and compromised the Republicans' ability to do so. Perhaps worse, the Democrats have turned the tables on the Republicans. It is Republicans now who are without a platform, without an identifying philosophy and without an articulate spokesman to advance their cause.

The Democrat party is extending its tentacles into the red states and the Republican Party is in grave danger of becoming a sectional party with an ever declining census and a bunker mentality.

Why did it happen?

( in the original vanity I ascribe the overriding cause of the 06 debacle to be the Iraq war and went on to discuss subordinate clauses. I omit that argument about the war now because I know that it will provoke a discussion with you if I were to recount it and that is not my purpose. My purpose now is to articulate the mortal peril which now confronts us. On that at least, I know we will agree)

There are many subordinate reasons why this calamity happened and it is necessary to identify them and assign weight to them so that the important ones can be addressed and corrected.

One such reason can be addressed and could have been corrected, or at least mitigated: It is quite normal for a political party in the sixth year of the presidency to lose the Senate and House seats. In some respects, it was to be expected that this would occur now. Clinton, however, was able to resist this historical trend but those were rather special circumstances.

Similarly, history shows the political parties, after 12 years in power, tend to become arrogant, cynical, and corrupt and that certainly has happened to the Republicans in spades. The voters have just cured the arrogance dimension of this equation but it remains to be seen if the corruption has been rooted out. The "values voters" will tell us in the next election if the Republicans have abandoned their cynicism.

Other reasons are less easily identifiable and more subjective in nature. One goes to the very essence of the character of George Bush. I've long published that he is not a movement conservative, in fact he is not a conservative at all but rather he is a patrician with loyalties to family, friends, and country. His politics are animated not by conservative ideology but by a noblisse oblige which, as a substitute for political philosophy, move him to act from loyalty and love of country. The result of this is that he does not weigh his words and actions against a coherent standard grounded in conservatism, but instinctively reacts to do what is right for family, friends, and country. Thus we get Harriet Meirs, pandering to the Clintons and Kennedys, prescription drug laws, campaign finance laws, runaway spending, and the war in Iraq. The conservative movement is left muddled and confused and the Republican Party undisciplined and leaderless. In these circumstances all manner of mischief is possible beginning with corruption and indiscipline in the ranks. To be effective, a president must be feared as well is loved. A President is more than just Commander in Chief and Chief Executive of the nation, he is the titular head of his party and he must rule it. If Bush was willing to pander to the likes of Teddy Kennedy, what did Senator John McCain have to fear from him? Bush has utterly failed in his role as head wrangler of the Republican Party.

Other subjective reasons for the debacle involve Bush's personal character. He is essentially a nonconfrontational man who would rather operate through collegiality than through power. This is reinforced by his Christian belief and he will almost literally turn the other cheek. So, his loyalty to family and friends affects his appointments and produce mediocrities like Brown at FEMA and Ridge at Homeland Security and Harriet Meirs. It makes him shrink from prosecuting the crimes of his enemies even to the point of overlooking real security lapses committed by The New York Times. It makes it very difficult for Bush to discipline his troops and fire incompetent or disloyal subordinates. Instead he soothes them with the Medal of Freedom.

(One cannot help but draw attention to the current mess with Scott McClellan in the context of the preceding paragraph.)

George Bush is a singularly inarticulate man. When he is not delivering a prepared speech, his sincerity and goodness of character come through, but his policies often die an agonizing death along with the syntax. The truth is that Bush has never been able, Ronald Reagan style, to articulate well the three or four fundamental issues which move the times in which we live. One need only cite the bootless efforts to reform Social Security as an example. His inability to tell America why we must fight in Iraq to win the greater worldwide war against terrorism, or how we are even going to win in Iraq, has been fatal to the Republicans' chances in this election. Of course, one can carry this Billy Budd characterization too far and it is easy to overemphasize its importance, but it is part of the general pattern which has led us to this pass. It is a very great pity that the bully pulpit has been squandered in the hands of a man so inarticulate. That the bully pulpit was wasted means that there are no great guiding principles for the country, for the party, for the administration, for Congress to follow, or for the voters to be inspired by. If the voters went into the booth confused about what the Republican Party stands for, the fault is primarily George Bush's.

There are structural problems for the Republicans as well. By the demographic breakdown of the Northeast and the ambitions of senators such as McCain, there was no coherent Republican policy in the Senate. It is in the nature of the Senate that wayward senators are difficult to bring to heel in any circumstance and Bush's inability properly to act as party leader has given Mavericks a green light to commit terrible damage to the Republicans' electoral posture. This demographic trend is destined to get worse and the self survival instincts of what is left of the Republican Party outside of the South will only become more acute and lead to more defections. Other senators, even when not motivated by personal ambition or demographic problems in blue states, felt free to engage in an extravaganza of corrupt spending to benefit their districts and soothe their contributors. There is a regrettable tendency to under emphasize the demographic handicap under which we conservatives struggle. Here is what I posted, before the election:

Perhaps now is not the time but certainly after Santorum is defeated we conservatives must face the reality that the electoral map is shrinking. We are unable to make inroads into the blue states (these New Jersey an anomaly due to parochial corruption) while we remain vulnerable and virtually all of the border states, Tennessee, Missouri, West Virginia, Maryland (actually a lost cause). Now even the Old Dominion is threatened. Ohio may be as difficult as Pennsylvania after this cycle.

Demographics will soon turn Florida and Texas away from us and, with the loss of either one of them, conservatism has no hope of putting a president in the White House.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1724335/posts?page=17#17

Bush failed to provide leadership on spending. Merely cutting taxes is only one leg of the stool, fiscal discipline must be maintained. Failing to impose party discipline is a grave sin, but Bush magnified it exponentially with the mindless prescription drug entitlement, farm supports, and educational spending. If Bush can have his prescription drug program that nobody wanted, why cannot Senator Stevens in Alaska have his bridge that nobody needed? Bush not only failed to set the proper example in fiscal discipline, he affirmatively set the wrong example of profligacy.

Press bias, says you?. One need only cite the unrelenting hostility of the Washington Post against Senator Allen to demonstrate Republican difficulties in this area. Allen's real opponent was the Washington Post. But this is not new, the Washington Post did the same thing to Ollie North several cycles ago and will do so again whenever it gets the chance. Republicans have been able to overcome this handicap in recent elections, so long as they had an effective affirmative story to tell. In fairness to the Republicans, it is true to say that the hostility of the press has reached even more egregious dimensions as a result of the war in Iraq. The remedy for this is to get a policy and tell your story well. In short, set the agenda, one which the public hears and understands in spite of the media. The classic example of this is Newt Gingrich's brilliant contract with America in 1994 in which he stole the entire agenda right out from under the noses of the drive-by media. I think their visceral hatred of Gingrich has as much to do with this coup as it does with the actual right wing policies contained in the contract with America. If one is not willing to accept the world as it is with all of its media bias then one is ultimately confounded. If one cannot move until press bias is corrected, then one cannot move on until the bias in academia or in immigrant groups is eliminated. The scale will never be balanced and conservatism, too anguished to move, will never find another majority.

While some exit polls say that only 7% of voters regarded immigration as the important issue, I am personally convinced that the percentage is much higher among conservatives and, anyway, the implications for the Republican Party and the conservative cause of unchecked illegal immigration is nothing short of catastrophic. Bush bashing or not, the cold reality is that George Bush has willfully and deliberately failed to to enforce the nation's laws on immigration. Bush has simply got a blind spot here, he wants amnesty and, by God, now he is going to get it because the Democrats are going to give it to him. The only hope for sanity in controlling immigration has died with Republican control of the House. Bush's duty was to enforce existing law against employers who seek unfair competitive advantage by hiring illegals at substandard wages. Now we have upwards of 30 million illegals in America and there is no conservative branch of government that can stop these people getting the vote eventually and, believe me, they will not vote conservative in my lifetime. Bush's stealth legacy to the Republican Party will become apparent as he exits the White House and Republicans remain in minority status for as long as the eye can see. Bush's dereliction in this regard justifies every conservative in turning his face from Bush and many did on election Day.

Lest this become a Bush bashing fest, let us note that Congressmen and Senators are for the most part alpha males (and sometimes bitchy females) who quite rightly should be expected to do the right thing without the fear and admonition of the President. But they did not. The single most appropriate word which identifies the Republican Congress before the election is, "arrogance" - although "greed" must run a very close second. Winston Churchill once said of the Socialist Clement Atley, "he is a very modest man, and he has much to be modest about." Running the gamut from sordid affiliations with K street lobbyists and the Abramoffs of the world, to unseemly earmarks, and continuing all the way to outright venality, the Republicans have much to be more than modest about. The voters have just dealt them their comeuppance and it is long overdue. But elections are blunt instruments for weeding out corruption; the voters wrath, like God's rain, falls on the just and the unjust alike. So honest and incorrupt conservative representatives of the people like Rick Santorum fall with the Cunninghams and the Neys and the Foleys while Democrat Menendez enjoys a pass. While it does not discriminate among Republicans, the voters wrath does discriminate between parties and so their wrath fell disproportionately on Republicans because they are the party in power. This also has been remedied by this election. Finally, in a strange way the voters grim unhappiness with the course of the war in Iraq finds expression in this general repugnance of the corruption and venality and directs it almost exclusively against the Republicans, because they are the party associated with the war. It is human nature to react to an irritant disproportionately when the soul is troubled by larger problems. This identification as the party solely responsible for the war is something the Republicans must remedy in the next two years.


46 posted on 05/30/2008 10:47:26 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: rob777

What does being pasty and white have to do with the issue?


47 posted on 05/30/2008 11:13:24 AM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: joseph20

The only difference between Scott and the Pillsbury Doughboy is the the Doughboy is better at public speaking and has a more engaging personality.


48 posted on 05/30/2008 11:24:56 AM PDT by dogcaller
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To: dogcaller

I still don’t understand. Why are we attacking Whiteness?


49 posted on 05/30/2008 11:34:21 AM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: roses of sharon
I get your point now....and agree.

My profile page gives my elective office history. I always ran as a conservative Republican.....and never lost a primary or general election, in fact, I mostly finished the highest in the vote count for the office I was running for. All of which shows to go ya it can be done when voters know what you stand for.

Leni

50 posted on 05/30/2008 11:50:13 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Foot Soldier in FR's Light Verse Brigade)
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To: Brilliant
The Bushes are intensely loyal, but the people they associate with have not returned the favor.

I agree. The Bush family is loyal to themselves, the Saudis, the Mexicans.

It's too bad they aren't loyal to ordinary Americans and America, in general.

51 posted on 05/30/2008 12:36:05 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: highball
You know, in retrospect that really should have been our first clue.

No, the first clue was in 1999 when Bush said, "There ought to be limits to freedom..."

52 posted on 05/30/2008 12:37:49 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
After he received assurances that it would be the last time, and that the borders were going to be secured thereafter.

Reagan ran the executive branch, which was responsible for securing the borders. On whom was he relying to secure the borders?

53 posted on 05/30/2008 12:52:32 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

That’s a partial quote. Do you mind provided the entire sentence at least?

I can think of at least 1 limit to freedom: Your freedom should not interfer with another’s freedom.


54 posted on 05/30/2008 12:57:48 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: lormand
Perhaps the "new tone" experiment has failed?

About 6 months into his first term, President Bush should have canned the "new tone". It was obvious after the attempted theft of the election in Florida that the Democrats were N*E*V*E*R going to adapt to the "new tone". The President should have totallyt scrapped it and never looked back after 9/11.

Looking back, George W Bush was nowhere near as conservative as we thought. And nowhere near as capable, either.

55 posted on 05/30/2008 1:08:06 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Bryan24
democRATs agressively fight their domestic enemies with no conditions, but appease their foreign enemies. Post Lee Atwater Republicans aggressively fight their foreign enemies, but appease their domestic enemies.

A fight is a fight, I don't care what context it is in. If you don't fight back, people will lose respect for you.

56 posted on 05/30/2008 1:21:17 PM PDT by lormand (GOP - the new Populist Party)
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To: joseph20
That’s a partial quote. Do you mind provided the entire sentence at least?

Absolutely. Here you go.

"There ought to be limits to freedom. We're aware of this site, and this guy is just a garbage man, that's all he is."

In return, please provide the context for the above statement.

I know what it is. I want to make sure you do, too.

57 posted on 05/30/2008 1:29:25 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: joseph20
That’s a partial quote. Do you mind provided the entire sentence at least?

Hmmm... You seem to have no interest in why Bush said what he did or what actions led up to him making the statement.

Below is the context for the statement.

For the record, it was after the FEC told the Bush campaign to go pound sand that Bush called the press conference where he uttered these famous words.

IOW, Bush tried to use the power of the FEC to label the web site owner as a PAC in order to make him subject to campaign laws and to expose any sources of funding.

Had Bush been successful, sites such as FR would also have fallen sway to the same ruling.


Bush criticizes Web site as malicious

Owner calls it a parody of White House bid

05/22/99

By Wayne Slater / The Dallas Morning News

AUSTIN - Saying "there ought to be limits to freedom," Gov. George W. Bush has filed a legal complaint against the owners of a Web site that lampoons his White House bid.

The designer of the unofficial Bush site described it on Friday as a parody and said the governor is trying to limit what is written about him on the Internet.

But Mr. Bush, a front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination, had harsh words Friday for the site (www.gwbush.com), which offers mock interviews and policy initiatives on drugs and crime.

"There's a lot of garbage in politics, and, obviously, this is a garbage man," said Mr. Bush.

Attorneys for the Bush presidential exploratory committee have filed complaints with the Federal Election Commission seeking to have the owners post a disclaimer identifying who built the site and who is paying for it.

"It [the site] is filled with libelous and untrue statements whose aim is to damage Governor Bush," the campaign said in its letter to the FEC. "The headline of the site is, 'Just Say No to Former Cocaine User for President.' This site's innuendoes and false statements attack the governor's positions on tough standards for convicted drug dealers."

Karen Hughes, a Bush campaign spokeswoman, said the site so closely resembles the official Bush campaign site (www.georgewbush.com) that people could be confused. Ms. Hughes said the unofficial site urges people to vote against Mr. Bush, making it subject to federal disclosure requirements.

Sites that are strongly critical of candidates but do not urge voters to take action are exempt from federal rules.

Frank Guerrero, a spokesman for the designer, said the site is meant to poke fun at Mr. Bush by comparing what he calls his "youthful indiscretions" with his tough-on-crime policies as an adult.

He said the site does not advocate the defeat of any candidate and is such a clear parody that no one would confuse it for the real Bush campaign Web page.

"We're not affiliated with any other campaign," said Mr. Guerrero of the site's designer, Rtmark, a loose-knit group of corporate critics. "In fact, we see ourselves as completely nonpartisan."

The FEC confirmed Friday that it had received a complaint but declined to discuss the case, citing agency rules.

Ron Harris, an FEC spokesman, said the commission has not dealt with many Internet-related complaints and the current case could break new legal ground on how the Web is governed under campaign laws.

The unofficial Bush site has a photo of Mr. Bush and a banner that reads, "Presidential Exploratory Committee."

It includes a mock initiative dubbed "Amnesty 2000," which suggests Mr. Bush would pardon prisoners convicted of drug crimes if they have "grown up."

As a potential presidential candidate, Mr. Bush has declined "to catalogue my youthful indiscretions," saying that he has learned from his mistakes.

The site also pokes fun at Mr. Bush's characterization of himself as a "compassionate conservative."

"G.W. Bush has indeed been forgiven again and again by others. First there was his rambunctious youth," the site says.

"Then, as an unsuccessful Texas businessman, he was bailed out with millions of dollars from friends of his vice president father. As president, G.W. Bush wants to create an America in which everyone gets as much forgiveness and as many chances to grow up as he had."

The Bush campaign filed an initial complaint about the look-alike Bush site in April. Mr. Guerrero said changes were made so it would look less like the official site, but Bush campaign lawyers filed a second complaint with the FEC this month demanding a disclaimer and disclosure of funding sources.

"We appreciate humor. We appreciate parody. George Bush is known for his sense of humor," said Ms. Hughes. "But there's a difference between expressing opinion, poking fun and breaking the law."

Mr. Guerrero estimated about $70 had been spent to construct the site. He said the money came from Zack Exley, a Massachusetts computer consultant who initially registered and maintains the gwbush.com site.

Bush campaign political consultant Karl Rove has purchased at least 60 domain names that include the Bush name in an apparent attempt to curtail other anti-Bush site-makers.

"We've put out a request for domain names for [Vice President Al] Gore as well," said Mr. Guerrero. "We're trying to be bipartisan."

Staff writer Andy Dworkin in Dallas contributed to this story.

58 posted on 05/30/2008 2:17:37 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: nathanbedford

VERY WELL DONE!


59 posted on 05/30/2008 2:40:26 PM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: Brilliant; All

“The Bushes are intensely loyal, but the people they associate with have not returned the favor.”

the GW Bush admin has been filled with many examples of this

Cheney on the other hand epitomizes the kind of loyalty Bush thinks he is getting - knows how to stand with the President, demonstrating a logical and supportive rationale - whether or not Cheney would have the exact same policy

true loyalty is not feigned and fawning agreement

but when it is deserved it is deserved because you trust the honor, character and motives of to whom you are loyal and your support includes the ability to understand and express THEIR rationale, as it is as valid as your own or those of the critics

young McClellen’s loyalty was apparently of the paper-thin fawning type and once he rose to his level of incompetence the reasons for that fawning loyalty faded


60 posted on 05/30/2008 2:44:05 PM PDT by Wuli
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