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A Dark Corner of Europe, Part I
Michael J. Totten's Middle East Journal ^ | 6/2/08 | Michael J. Totten

Posted on 06/02/2008 1:46:11 AM PDT by Dawnsblood

“If Yugoslavia was the laboratory of Communism, then Communism would breathe its last dying breath here in Belgrade. And to judge by what [Slobodan] Milosevic was turning into by early 1989, Communism would exit the world stage revealed for what it truly was: fascism, without fascism's ability to make the trains run on time.” - Robert D. Kaplan

“You bombed my country.” These were the nearly first words I heard after clearing passport control on arrival in Belgrade, the capital of Serbia, from a taxi driver who flagged me down inside the airport. “Fifteen countries bombed my country.”

I didn't know what to say. Neither did my American friend and traveling companion Sean LaFreniere.

“Why are you here in Serbia?” the driver said.

“We're tourists,” I lied. I didn't want to say I was an American journalist on a trip through the former Yugoslavia with an end destination in Kosovo. Serbia's last war of ethnic-cleansing was fought there, and it only ended when NATO, led by the United States, bombed Belgrade's tyrant Slobodan Milosevic into submission. That was nine years ago, but just three months ago Kosovo declared independence from Serbia. A mob of Serbian nationalists answered by fire-bombing the American embassy. The U.S. responded by evacuating its non-essential employees.

“If people ask what two tourists are doing here,” the driver said, “where you are from, you say you're from Holland.”

From a distance, the latest news out of Belgrade made the place look like a reactionary Middle East capital on a bad day, but this was still Europe. How dangerous could Serbia possibly be? Tensions are higher now than at any time since the 1999 war, but I wasn't going to lie about where I'm from. Whatever ails the country right now, it hardly compares to Iraq.

(Excerpt) Read more at michaeltotten.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antichristian; appeasement; dhimmwit; kosovo; serbia; totten; war; wrongside
Two points I need to make. 1) I know people here do not like Michael but since he is touring Serbia I thought I would offer it. 2) I did not paste it all because the pictures are a big part of the story and I am useless at posting pictures. So please read or not as you wish.
1 posted on 06/02/2008 1:46:12 AM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood

Jeez! Hasn’t it become obvious to most people by now that Milosevic was fighting to clear out Al Qaida training camps!

The Serbs were protecting themselves!


2 posted on 06/02/2008 1:58:46 AM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: SatinDoll

I don’t claim to be an expert on the Balkans, but I have a good friend of Serbian descent. He was strongly against the US intervention in Yugoslavia, BUT was no fan of Slobo, who he saw as a thug. As best I can tell, there are few good guys in that part of the world.


3 posted on 06/02/2008 2:02:09 AM PDT by kms61
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To: SatinDoll
Hasn’t it become obvious to most people by now that Milosevic was fighting to clear out Al Qaida training camps!

Alas, most people aren't clueless, so, no.

4 posted on 06/02/2008 2:22:04 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: SatinDoll

It’s sickening to realize in hindsight we were betting on the wrong horse... :-(


5 posted on 06/02/2008 2:25:53 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Hoplite

“”...heading to Kosovo to see the last area that was a target of Slobo’s ethnic cleansing...”

Well, there is one falsehood in less then 3 paragraphs.


6 posted on 06/02/2008 3:06:58 AM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3/Cry havoc and let slip the RINOS)
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To: SatinDoll
Jeez! Hasn’t it become obvious to most people by now that Milosevic was fighting to clear out Al Qaida training camps! The Serbs were protecting themselves!

Bingo! You are correct. And no, it will never become obvious to most people since they are spoon fed propaganda from the MSM ... maddening isn't it.

7 posted on 06/02/2008 3:08:28 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: padre35
He tried to ethnically cleanse somewhere else after Kosovo?

Do tell.

8 posted on 06/02/2008 3:24:15 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Indeed, did he try ethnically cleanse Kosovo? Or was it Serbs that were fleeing the KLA and leaving Kosovo?


9 posted on 06/02/2008 3:45:48 AM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3/Cry havoc and let slip the RINOS)
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To: SatinDoll

Bwaaahahaha!

You’re funny.

Thanks for the comedy break.


10 posted on 06/02/2008 3:47:50 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: padre35
Indeed, did he try ethnically cleanse Kosovo?

Indeed. As has been demonstrated past the point of any question on the issue, at least to anyone who's bothered to look into it using sources not given completely over to Serbian disinformation.

11 posted on 06/02/2008 3:54:28 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Dawnsblood

Totten has an agenda and hi writings should be taken with a large pinch of salt.


12 posted on 06/02/2008 6:20:08 AM PDT by Witch-king of Angmar
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To: SatinDoll; Hoplite; joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; ...

You have to understand that Hoppy is one of the few remaining pro-Jihadist posters left here on Free Republic.

While most of the Balkans posters despise Milosevic for being a commie, our Jihadist cheerleaders will never forgive him for standing up to the Muhammedan and for opposing Dhimmitude.


13 posted on 06/02/2008 1:43:42 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: SatinDoll

Yes, cc is the other pro-Jihadist poster left.

These guys hate Serbia and Serbians with a passion!


14 posted on 06/02/2008 1:45:41 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

It didn’t take long for the Janjaweed top show up!


15 posted on 06/02/2008 1:51:46 PM PDT by F-117A (Mr. Bush, Condi, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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To: Hoplite
...completely over to Serbian disinformation.

It's a vast right-wing (Serbian) conspiracy, Hillary - ahem, sorry, I mean Hoplite.

16 posted on 06/02/2008 6:41:58 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Dawnsblood

Description of Totten’s Blog by Michael Totten, himself:

Michael J. Totten · Middle East
Lively blog by this hard-headed liberal.
www.michaeltotten.com - 55k - Cached

Enough said.


17 posted on 06/02/2008 6:45:39 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: FormerLib

I actually miss Fusion.


18 posted on 06/02/2008 7:17:26 PM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I'm so anti-pc, I use a Mac)
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To: Dawnsblood
Your post of this may of have been innocent, but this article is a total crock.

Sean and I met one of Belgrade's most famous writers, Filip David, at a cafe downtown across the street from a small park.

Most famous writers? Filip David isn't even on a list of "Serbia most famous Jewish writers!""Most famous Belgrade writers (still living)" would include Milorad Pavic (Dictionary of the Khazars), Matija Bekovic; and Dobrica Cosic, all of whose works were translated into English. Pavic's novels even made the NY Times Best Seller list.

Filip David crawled out from under a rock for this interview and then disappeared back under it.

And if Totten couldn't even bother to know who was who on something this obvious, it's hard to take anything else he had to say, seriously.

19 posted on 06/02/2008 7:27:11 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Hoplite
"Alas, most people aren't clueless"

Too true, you are one of the last ones left.

20 posted on 06/02/2008 7:29:06 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe
Too true, you are one of the last ones left.

What, besides all the folks making policy in the US and Europe (outside of Serbia) you mean?

You seriously need to take stock of how the whole "Black is white and white is black" paradigm regarding events in the Balkans during the 1990's has worked and continues to work out for you and Serbia, Boka.

21 posted on 06/02/2008 8:10:56 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Bokababe
“Dark-eyed or dark-skinned Slavs are even more common in Serbia than white-skinned or blue-eyed Arabs in North Africa and the Levant. “

What a moron. Obvioulsy he didn`t hear of Roma people, most scattered people all over Europe.

And this is veeery amusing:

“Serbia likes to show off its military hardware in public”

?????????? Comment under the picture of Military museum at Kalemegdan (Battle-hill in Turkish) fortress, that holds guns of all the agressors on Belgrade from both WW, and most of it are austrian cannon guns from WWI. Somebody should`ve told him how ended Black-Yellow empire.

I wouldn`t even comment on all BS over “Why?” monument! Yes, it`s their fault for got killed. NOT ONE WORD OF REGRET. Also Filip David could introduce him to their families!

“...gave orders to put people there” ??????????????

Everybody was under work obligation these days!!! EVERYONE! I went to university, my parents had to work. No hiding. We had to do our best in due to survive and have surreal “normal” lives under bombs.

OUTRAGE

22 posted on 06/02/2008 8:11:33 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
Speaking of disinformation, Hoplite's left testicle tried to convince the right one that they were both viable and attached to the same erection, alas the right testicle knew better and decided to retreat back into the pelvic cavity knowing that the erection was really an inflated ego.

Lefty lied and righty cried.

23 posted on 06/02/2008 9:09:08 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Hoplite
"Alas, most people aren't clueless"

Yes, we are all quite aware of your deficiencies.

24 posted on 06/02/2008 9:10:42 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

Don’t forget that Hoplite dodged sniping rioters in LA by hiding out in a Popeye’s Chicken restaurant. Tuzla would have been too much for him.


25 posted on 06/02/2008 9:20:07 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Andy from Beaverton
I actually miss Fusion.

Dry is good, wind is better????something like that

26 posted on 06/02/2008 9:24:18 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids (The Cold War; trillions of dollars over 45 years to protect our country from what we have become)
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To: montyspython
Speaking of disinformation, Hoplite's left testicle...

Your first error, you assumed he had even one to start with.

27 posted on 06/03/2008 12:15:49 AM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Hoplite

Hoppy, you’re back! How’s Nicky? That immunity thing still working out for him? I heard those folks down in Greece were real close to coming out with something that, well lets just say it could be interesting! :)


28 posted on 06/03/2008 3:26:47 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Hoplite

How’s that embracing of Dhimmitude working out for you?


29 posted on 06/03/2008 5:49:19 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: BabaYaga; Bokababe; FormerLib

Yeah. Totten is a nickel-plated Serbophobe. He goes to Belgrade and sees what he wants to see. What comes back is nothing but propaganda.


30 posted on 06/03/2008 7:25:56 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Andy from Beaverton; Archie Bunker on steroids; Bokababe; FormerLib; Kolokotronis; Hoplite

I used to have some frustrating exchanges with Fusion. But he at least was interesting, in his myth-spinning ways. Some of his posts—and dialogues with pro-Serbian Freepers—qualify as classics.

That’s a lot better than our remaining Dhimmwits, who simply spew out the same tired excuses for oppression of Christians, in a way that is reminiscent of commie aparachniks. And it’s also a lot better than the late unlamented Ronly Bonly Jones, who spun out lie after lie from his grab-bag of bogus sources in a disruptive way.


31 posted on 06/03/2008 7:35:46 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb

And very dangerous propaganda. I wonder for what now? Is this stil going on? What Serbs should do next to please west? Is this just another justification for nato agression and sanctions? Or is it a introduce chapter for new bloody history book? When enough is enough?

And guy is also a racist. Look how`s he checking Serb`s blood corpuscles to “proove” how they don`t belong to western civilisation. How much and why is bad to him to have dark skin and eyes??? Why doesn`t he go to Bulgaria or Romania? Will he do DNA researches to prove Serbs are not from this planet? This is pure Goebels bloodthirsty propaganda.

Really...


32 posted on 06/03/2008 8:00:55 AM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: Honorary Serb
"And it’s also a lot better than the late unlamented Ronly Bonly Jones, who spun out lie after lie from his grab-bag of bogus sources in a disruptive way."

And his last incarnation, he also quoted Totten, profusely.

33 posted on 06/03/2008 8:15:28 AM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Dawnsblood
“Serbia's last war of ethnic-cleansing was fought there”

Complete CNN BS. “Journalist” I eye. You were in Serbia and Kosovo and still you were blind to the truth no matter how many trips you take.

34 posted on 06/03/2008 11:23:23 AM PDT by SQUID
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