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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"As far as the Catholic Church is concerned, the principal focus of her interventions in the public arena is the protection and promotion of the dignity of the person, and she is thereby consciously drawing particular attention to principles which are not negotiable. Among these the following emerge clearly today: the protection of life in all its stages, from the first moment of conception until natural death; recognition and promotion of the natural structure of the family — as a union between one man and one woman based on marriage…; and the protection of the rights of parents to educate their children>

If she is basing her claim that Catholics cannot vote for a candidate that supports abortion on this, then it looks like she can't vote for a candidate who is also pro-capital punishment or pro-divorce.

12 posted on 06/03/2008 4:04:36 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

No, because divorce is something that is a different thing from, say, insisting that two men can get married, which violates the natural order. And capital punishment is not prohibited by Church law; like war, it is something that is considered a last resort, only to prevent greater harm.

So while individual popes or religious figures may be more or less opposed to these things, or to a particular war or case, these are simply their opinions. The things that the Pope is talking about are things that violate the natural order and which are always wrong. Abortion is the murder of an innocent human being and is always wrong; homosexual “marriage” violates the natural law and is always wrong (aside from being impossible), etc. These may be things which a particular electoral candidate is trying to make acceptable to or even impose on our society, and in that case one cannot vote for that candidate.


14 posted on 06/03/2008 4:28:30 PM PDT by livius
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To: Non-Sequitur

“If she is basing her claim that Catholics cannot vote for a candidate that supports abortion on this, then it looks like she can’t vote for a candidate who is also pro-capital punishment or pro-divorce.”

That depends. If by executing a heinous criminal lives are saved, the Church has pretty much turned a blind eye to that (kind of akin to Aquinas’ “Just War” proclamation). As for divorce, the Church just gives that lip service, because if it didn’t it would have very few congregants (there are a great many prominent Catholics who have been divorced, and the Church has largely ignored it unless some political points could be made). It’s like being married by a judge or a JOP (or any non-priest presider): On the one hand the Church theoretically holds that such unions, unless blessed by the Church, are adulterous; on the other hand, it does not excommunicate the parties (though it restricts them from the sacraments). Abortion, though, is a completely different matter, and the Church will not broach any compromise on that. Why? Because abortion is taking the life of the most innocent among us.

I’m a Roman Catholic, though not a very devout one. And I have some fundamental disputes with the Church. But, like Jesus, the Church hates the sin but loves the sinner.


21 posted on 06/03/2008 5:43:09 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

“If she is basing her claim that Catholics cannot vote for a candidate that supports abortion on this, then it looks like she can’t vote for a candidate who is also pro-capital punishment or pro-divorce.”

No, this just a recent reiteration of constant teaching.

Abortion is intrinsically evil.

Capital punishment is not intrinsically evil since the state has a right to defend itself against predators and those who harm others.

What does pro-divorce have to do with anything? Nobody dies as a direct cause of divorce.


23 posted on 06/03/2008 6:31:24 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: Non-Sequitur; steve-b
This may clear it up the differences for you: http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=27852&wf=rsscol
28 posted on 06/03/2008 7:49:35 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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