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Obama '07: Surge Won't Work
Rush Limbaugh ^

Posted on 06/03/2008 8:01:28 PM PDT by newbie2008

OBAMA: We cannot impose a military solution on what has effectively become a civil war. And until we acknowledge that reality, uh, we can send 15,000 more troops; 20,000 more troops; 30,000 more troops. Uh, I don't know any, uh, expert on the region or any military officer that I've spoken to, uh, privately that believes that that is gonna make a substantial difference on the situation on the ground.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barackobama; hussein; idiot; nobama; obama; unelectable

1 posted on 06/03/2008 8:01:28 PM PDT by newbie2008
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To: newbie2008
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2 posted on 06/03/2008 8:04:09 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (De-Globalize yourself !)
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To: newbie2008

Uh, Obama is, uh, a political pinhead, uh.


3 posted on 06/03/2008 8:05:17 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Stop the Obamanation!))))
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To: newbie2008

Uh...


4 posted on 06/03/2008 8:08:04 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Uh...but...uh...he’s a...uh...great orator!


5 posted on 06/03/2008 8:08:52 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: newbie2008

Lets count how long it will take the irrational Mccain haters to post something in Obama’s defense.


6 posted on 06/03/2008 8:09:49 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: GOP_Lady

Yes, he is. He’s giving America the biggest BJ since Monica roamed the WH.


7 posted on 06/03/2008 8:11:09 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: newbie2008
There certainly isn't any surge for Obama’s campaign.
8 posted on 06/03/2008 8:11:43 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: GOP_Lady
Uh...but...uh...he’s a...uh...great orator!

Only... uh... when he... uh... knows exactly what he's ... uh... gonna say in advance.

9 posted on 06/03/2008 8:13:34 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: SoldierDad

The most liberal person in the United States Senate. God help us.


10 posted on 06/03/2008 8:14:14 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: A_perfect_lady

LOL. You’ve got that right, lady. :-)


11 posted on 06/03/2008 8:14:58 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: newbie2008
OBAMA: We cannot impose a military solution on what has effectively become a civil war. And until we acknowledge that reality, uh, we can send 15,000 more troops; 20,000 more troops; 30,000 more troops. Uh, I don't know any, uh, expert on the region or any military officer that I've spoken to, uh, privately that believes that that is gonna make a substantial difference on the situation on the ground.

uh, uh, uh... sounds like Al Sharpton.

12 posted on 06/03/2008 8:15:27 PM PDT by ETL
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To: GOP_Lady

I’m less worried that he’s liberal, and more worried that he’s friendly to our Islamic enemies. We’ve lived through having liberals in the WH. I don’t know if we can survive a terrorist sympathizer, or worse a traitor.


13 posted on 06/03/2008 8:16:43 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: SoldierDad
"I don’t know if we can survive a terrorist sympathizer, or worse a traitor."

Tell that to those here in FR who believe Obama needs to win so as to "punish" the GOP...

14 posted on 06/03/2008 8:24:31 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Conservatives hate what people do, liberals hate who people are.")
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To: newbie2008

“Bama doesn’t know beans about this.


15 posted on 06/03/2008 8:24:36 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ncalburt
irrational Mccain hater

Hating McCain is not irrational. He is indeed contemptible. His stances on non-existent global warming, free speech and immigration are truly disgusting. His willingness, over the years, to stab apparent allies in the back in order to grandstand for the MSM is an abomination. Fortunately for him, from a conservative point of view, his hardcore leftist opponent is just as bad on these issues. The fact that he looks acceptable compared to his opponent is only indicative of the dark political times we live in, not of any virtues he possesses.

All one can do now is vote for him with the hope that he is as disloyal to the Hillary voters he now seeks as he has been to Republican voters all this time.

16 posted on 06/03/2008 8:24:38 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: SoldierDad
He's not not just friendly with islamic terrorists, he's in bed with communist revolutionaries, who in-turn are in bed with other terrorists.

"No issue has bothered me more than the UCC's [United Church of Christ] relationship with convicted Puerto Rican terrorists that are responsible for over 150 bombings in the U.S. during the 70's and 80's. There is no moral or theological reason for defending members of this group who have killed and injured dozens of people. What is further shocking and completely contradictory to any of our beliefs is that there is no record (in the nearly 30 years that the UCC has been advocating for these terrorists) that our denomination ever reached out to the victims of FALN violence."
Source: http://www.ucctruths.com/terrorist.html

"Does the name Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacion Nacional -- Armed Forces of National Liberation -- ring a bell? You may remember this charming group by its initials, FALN. A so-called revolutionary group determined to bring about Puerto Rican independence through violence. As reminded in a detailed February 12, 2008 article in the Wall Street Journal by Debra Burlingame, it was FALN that was responsible for a New Year's Eve, 1982 bombing at One Police Plaza in New York. The explosion ripped the lower leg off of Police Officer Rocco Pascarella. ...

April 1998: [Janet] Reno's deputy attorney general Eric Holder meets with Paul Sherry, who is advocating clemency for FALN members. ...

Paul Sherry is actually the Reverend Paul Sherry, who, at the time he was meeting with the Deputy Attorney General of the United States to request clemency for the perpetrators of such horrific acts, was, I am sorry to say, the president of the United Church of Christ -- the denomination that Senator Obama and I share. Reverend Sherry's request -- and he certainly was not alone -- was granted. As Ms. Burlingame and many others, notably the website UCC Truths, have noted, on August 11, 1999 clemency was indeed offered by President Clinton to the FALN terrorists. Twelve accepted in less than a month, and over the objections of then-Democratic Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York, the terrorists were granted their freedom."
Source: Obama and the Bombmaker's Church:
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12909

"Between 1974 and 1985 the FALN (Puerto Rican Armed Forces of National Liberation) organized 120 terrorist bombings in the United States. Many Americans were killed in those bombings, and many more were crippled. In 1983, another Puerto Rican terrorist group known as the Macheteros, attacked and robbed a Wells Fargo armored car in Connecticut. The Macheteros intended to use the money to finance a terrorist campaign against the United States. Working under the cover of Puerto Rican nationalism and claiming to act on behalf of the 'oppressed people of Puerto Rico,' the FALN and the Macheteros are nothing but Communist revolutionaries. Both groups were organized by Fidel Castro's secret police. The ultimate goal of the FALN and the Macheteros is the creation of an independent Marxist-Leninist dictatorship on the island of Puerto Rico."
Source: Clinton's sympathy for Marxist terrorists
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=19760

From the website of UCC (United Church of Christ)
"Over the weekend members of our church and others have been subjected to the relentless airing of two or three brief video clips of sermons by the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ for thirty-six years and, for over half of those years, pastor of Senator Barack Obama and his family. These video clips, and news stories about them, have been served up with frenzied and heated commentary by media personalities expressing shock that such language and sentiments could be uttered from the pulpit."
Source: http://www.ucc.org/news/responding-to-wright.html

The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine
Monday , May 5, 2008
FoxNews/Hannity's America
[special Friday night edition--original airdate May 2, 2008]

(some key excerpts)

JOSE DIAZ-BALART, TELEMUNDO NETWORK: "Liberation theology in Nicaragua in the mid-1980's was a pro-Sandinista, pro-Marxist, anti-U.S., anti-Catholic Church movement. That's it. No ifs, ands, or buts. His church apparently supported, in the mid-'80s in Nicaragua, groups that supported the Sandinista dictatorships and that were opposed to the Contras whose reason for being was calling for elections. That's all I know. I was there.

I saw the churches in Nicaragua that he spoke of, and the churches were churches that talked about the need for violent revolution and I remember clearly one of the major churches in Managua where the Jesus Christ on the altar was not Jesus Christ, he was a Sandinista soldier, and the priests talked about the corruption of the West, talked about the need for revolution everywhere, and talked about 'the evil empire' which was the United States of America."

REV. BOB SCHENCK, NATIONAL CLERGY COUNCIL: "it's based in Marxism. At the core of his [Wright's] theology is really an anti-Christian understanding of God, and as part of a long history of individuals who actually advocate using violence in overthrowing those they perceive to be oppressing them, even acts of murder have been defended by followers of liberation theology. That's very, very dangerous."

SCHENCK: "I was actually the only person escorted to Dr. Wright. He asked to see me, and I simply welcomed him to Washington, and then I said Dr. Wright, I want to bring you a warning: your embrace of Marxist liberation theology. It is contrary to the Gospel, and you need, sir, to abandon it. And at that he dropped the handshake and made it clear that he was not in the mood to dialogue on that point."

Source: The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354158,00.html

Obama's Church: Gospel of Hate
Kathy Shaidle, FrontPageMag.com
Monday, April 07, 2008

In March of 2007, FOX News host Sean Hannity had engaged Obama’s pastor in a heated interview about his Church’s teachings. For many viewers, the ensuing shouting match was their first exposure to "Black Liberation Theology"...

Like the pro-communist Liberation Theology that swept Central America in the 1980s and was repeatedly condemned by Pope John Paul II, Black Liberation Theology combines warmed-over 1960s vintage Marxism with carefully distorted biblical passages. However, in contrast to traditional Marxism, it emphasizes race rather than class. The Christian notion of "salvation" in the afterlife is superseded by "liberation" on earth, courtesy of the establishment of a socialist utopia.
Source: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=30CD9E14-B0C9-4F8C-A0A6-A896F0F44F02

From "45 Communist Goals":
#27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion.
Source: http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

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'Guilty as hell, free as a bird—America is a great country,' he [Ayers] said."
Source: Chicago Magazine, August 2001, No Regrets (article):
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/No-Regrets/

"It was at the Chicago home of Ayers and Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming 'community organizer,' had his political coming out party in 1995. Not content with this rite of passage in Lefty World — where unrepentant terrorists are regarded as progressive luminaries, still working 'only to educate' — both Obamas tended to the relationship with the Ayers."
Source: The Company He Keeps Meet Obama’s circle: The same old America-hating Left
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YThjYTU1ZDBjNmQ2YzcwNzU1MmYwN2JiMWY0ZGI0NDA=&w=MA==

From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
March 6, 1970: "three members of the Weather Underground accidentally killed themselves in a Manhattan townhouse while attempting to build a powerful bomb they had intended to plant at a social dance in Fort Dix, New Jersey -- an event that was to be attended by U.S. Army soldiers. Hundreds of lives could have been lost had the plot been successfully executed."
Source: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6808

"The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey.
The bomb was packed with nails to inflict maximum casualties upon detonation."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)#Chronology_of_events

Allies in War
By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001:

ON THE MORNING OF THE ATTACKS on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, along with a million other readers of the New York Times including many who would never be able to read the paper again, I opened its pages to be confronted by a color photo showing a middle-aged couple holding hands and affecting a defiant look at the camera. The article was headlined in an irony that could not have been more poignant, "No Regrets For A Love Of Explosives."

The couple pictured were Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, former leaders of the 1960s’ Weather Underground, America’s first terrorist cult. One of their bombing targets, as it happened, was the Pentagon.

"I don’t regret setting bombs," Ayers was quoted in the opening line of the Times profile; "I feel we didn’t do enough."

In 1969, Ayers and his wife convened a "War Council" in Flint Michigan, whose purpose was to launch a military front inside the United States with the purpose of helping Third World [Maoist-communist] revolutionaries conquer and destroy it.

Taking charge of the podium, dressed in high-heeled boots and a leather mini-skirt – her signature uniform – Dorhn incited the assembled radicals to join the war against "Amerikkka" and create chaos and destruction in the "belly of the beast."

Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a "fork salute" to mass murderer Charles Manson whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the "Tate Eight" (the most famous was actress Sharon Tate) Dohrn shouted:

"Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!"

(big snip)

Today William Ayers is not merely an author favored by the New York Times, but a Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois, Chicago.

His Lady Macbeth [Bernardine Dohrn] is not merely a lawyer, but a member of the American Bar Association’s governing elite, as well as the director of Northwestern University’s Children and Family Justice Center.
[it's true! see: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/aclu/]

Source: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63512670-BF7C-42A0-B41D-5D0FB9E09C09

The Center for Public Intellectuals & The University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC)
April 19th-20th, 2002, Conference

[Participants include: William/Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Sen Barack Obama]

April 19th-20th, 2002
Chicago Illini Union
828 S. Wolcott

This conference is part of the Center's mission of helping to create a more engaged civil society, working towards social change, fostering coalitions between theorists and activists, and combating anti-intellectualism in contemporary culture. It will be both a celebration of ideas and a rigorous examination of the roles and responsibilities that intellectuals play in society.

I. Why Do Ideas Matter? (a keynote panel)

We introduce the 'meta' theme of the conference by hearing 'success stories' from diverse voices discussing their experiences intervening intellectually.

Timuel Black, Chicago activist; Prof. Emeritus, City Colleges of Chicago
Lonnie Bunch, President, Chicago Historical Society
Bernardine Dohrn, Northwestern University Law School, Children and Family Justice Center
Gerald Graff, UIC, College of Liberal Arts & Sciences
Richard Rorty, Stanford University, Philosophy

III. Lunch and Public Encounters

Alternative breakout tours led by Chicago activists. Tours of Bronzeville and other communities, and visits to organizations that are working on partnering theorists with activists.

IV. Intellectuals in Times of Crisis
Experiences and applications of intellectual work in urgent situations.

William Ayers, UIC, College of Education; author of Fugitive Days
Douglass Cassel, Northwestern University, Center for International Human Rights
Cathy Cohen, University of Chicago, Political Science
Salim Muwakkil, Chicago Tribune; In These Times
Barack Obama, Illinois State Senator
Barbara Ransby, UIC, African-American Studies (moderator)

The Center for Public Intellectuals
University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC):
Source: http://www.uic.edu/classes/las/las400/conferencealt.htm

"In July 1969, Dohrn, Eleanor Raskin, Dianne Donghi, Peter Clapp, David Millstone and Diana Oughton, all representing 'Weatherman', as Dohrn's faction was now called, traveled to Cuba and met with representatives of the North Vietnamese and Cuban governments."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn

From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
"FBI files from 1976, recently made public under the Freedom of Information Act, confirm the connections between Weatherman, Havana, and Moscow. Weatherman leaders like Mark Rudd traveled illegally to Havana in 1968 to engage in terrorist training. There, camps set up by Soviet KGB Colonel Vadim Kotchergine were educating Westerners both in Marxist philosophy and urban warfare."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6808

July 27, 1970: The United States Army base at The Presidio in San Francisco is bombed on the 11th anniversary of the Cuban Revolution. [NYTimes, 7/27/70] :
Chronology of Weather Underground attacks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)#Chronology_of_events

Weather Underground Organization [linked to N. Vietnamese and Cuban gov'mts, KGB]
[420 pages in all on pdf]

Source: FBI | Freedom of Information Act

In 1976, the FBI's Chicago Field Office prepared a summary which described the activities of the Weather Underground Organization, also known as Weathermen. This organization described itself as a revolutionary organization of communist men and women. The FBI's analysis of its motivations, beliefs, and international travels are outlined in this summary.
Source: http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/weather.htm

Bill Ayers TODAY (April 6, 2008), from his own red communist star-headed website, begging to debate communism vs capitalism with Sean Hannity and STILL calling for revolution!

"Imperialism. I’m against it, and if Sean Hannity and others were honest, this is the ground they would fight me on. Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism, capitalism and imperialism must be defeated and a world revolution—a revolution against war and racism and materialism, a revolution based on human solidarity and love, cooperation and the common good —must win.

We begin by releasing our most hopeful dreams and our most radical imaginations: a better world is both possible and necessary.

Source: Episodic Notoriety–Fact and Fantasy (article), April 6, 2008:
http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/04/page/2/

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Amazon Book Review:
"Vastly Illuminating!" September 25, 2004
By Kat Bakhu

"I had long wondered why people on the Left had the propensity to speak more positively about people who would slit their throats than they do about their own country, which affords them more freedom and opportunity than anywhere else. David Horowitz has answered that question thoroughly and convincingly in his Unholy Alliance. Where I felt bewildered and confused, I now feel crystal clear. Unholy Alliance is such a great book.

It begins with the leftist movements at the beginning of the 20th Century, and works its way up to the present day, exploring the anti-American attitude of these movements in detail. Horowitz shows that the enemies of the US back then are largely the same group today, operating under the same misperceptions, making the same mistakes, and pursuing the same impossible utopia.

Individual chapters are included on the Patriot Act (I was persuaded that it is a GOOD thing); the democratic flip-flop on Iraq once G.W. Bush implemented what they agreed with Clinton needed to be done; the driving components of the current anti-war movement; as well as chapters on individual personalities who are major spokespeople of the Left. Horowitz covers a lot of ground, and he covers it concisely and clearly. Unholy Alliance is richly informative without ever being boring or plodding.

This book is so illuminating that I simply cannot do justice to it here. I love people who reason so clearly that they help me get my own reasoning clear. Horowitz is just that type of person! In the terrain of mindless clichés (no-blood-for-oil, etc.), he is a breath of real fresh air."

http://www.amazon.com/Unholy-Alliance-Radical-Islam-American/dp/089526076X

17 posted on 06/03/2008 8:28:55 PM PDT by ETL
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To: ETL
uh, uh, uh... sounds like Al Sharpton.

No Teleprompter. Obviously.

18 posted on 06/03/2008 8:29:22 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: ETL
Interesting that, for all of Obama's perpetual gaffes and faults that are uncovered daily, there are STILL many on this site who would prefer to see him elected so as to "do as much harm to this country as possible" to wake up the GOP. I find it very hard to believe that any FReeper would even CONSIDER allowing BO to rise to power given his perpetual fountains of issues that keep surfacing.

To all those voting 3rd party or not voting at all...

BEWARE WHAT YOU WISH FOR...REMEMBER THAT ALL IT TAKES FOR EVIL TO SUCCEED IS FOR GOOD MEN (AND WOMEN) TO DO NOTHING...

19 posted on 06/03/2008 8:39:52 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("All it takes for Obama to succeed is for good Conservatives to vote 3rd party or not vote at all..")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Obama will get us nuked.


20 posted on 06/03/2008 8:40:00 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Minn
Did you catch Rush's show on Monday ? Rush sounded very concerned about Obama and the radical leftists he would put in charge of all the federal agencies like the FBI, Justice, NSA, Pentagon.In fact, Rush's tone freaked me out . He was really worried about how radical Obama is and the long term damage he cold do to this country and he said those exact words.
21 posted on 06/03/2008 8:40:13 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: ncalburt
"He was really worried about how radical Obama is and the long term damage he cold do to this country and he said those exact words."

Oh, but it MUST not be a worry to us since the "anti-McCain-at-all-costs" crowd has told us we NEED Obama to ruin this country so we can "get back at the GOP"...

Do you mean to tell me that Rush LIMBAUGH actually CHALLENGES our beloved "anti-McCain-at-all-costs" crowd? How DARE he! As if he were anyone of note or authority on the matter...

/s (as if it is necessary)

22 posted on 06/03/2008 8:48:25 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("All it takes for Obama to succeed is for good Conservatives to vote 3rd party or not vote at all..")
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To: ETL
Weather Underground Posting:


23 posted on 06/03/2008 8:52:10 PM PDT by oldleft
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Obama will get us nuked.

From "45 Communist Goals":
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963:

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

'Goals' 4-45 can be found here or at many other sites through a web search for "45 goals":
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

From National Public Radio (NPR):
"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5729764

"Chavez pledged that his country would 'stay by Iran at any time and under any condition,' state television reported. Ahmadinejad said he saw in Chavez a kindred spirit." "'We do not have any limitation in cooperation,' Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying. 'Iran and Venezuela are next to each other and supporters of each other. Chavez is a source of a progressive and revolutionary current in South America and his stance in restricting imperialism is tangible.'":
http://www.worldthreats.com/latin_america/Iran-Chavez%20Alliance.htm

From the Russian News and Information Agency:
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060727/51913498.html

From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html

Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
Reuters: Aug 17, 2007

CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.

"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.

Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.

The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.

Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29030120070817?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

U.S. Navy Intercepts Russian Bombers Flying Near Ships
Monday, February 11, 2008
WASHINGTON (Associated Press) U.S. fighter planes intercepted two Russian bombers flying unusually close to an American aircraft carrier in the western Pacific during the weekend, The Associated Press has learned.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330362,00.html

New Pentagon Report: China's Growing Military Space Power
By Leonard David
Special Correspondent, SPACE.com
March 6, 2008

GOLDEN, Colorado — A just-released Pentagon report spotlights a growing U.S. military concern that China is developing a multi- dimensional program to limit or prevent the use of space-based assets by its potential adversaries during times of crisis or conflict.

Furthermore, last year's successful test by China of a direct-ascent, anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon to destroy its own defunct weather satellite, the report adds, underscores that country's expansion from the land, air, and sea dimensions of the traditional battlefield into the space and cyber-space domains.

Although China's commercial space program has utility for non- military research, that capability demonstrates space launch and control know-how that have direct military application. Even the Chang'e 1 — the Chinese lunar probe now circling the Moon — is flagged in the report as showcasing China's ability "to conduct complicated space maneuvers — a capability which has broad implications for military counterspace operations."

To read the entire publication [29.67MB/pdf], go to (U.S. Dept of Defense) :
http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pdfs/China_Military_Report_08.pdf

"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html

Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs

February 29, 2008 :: News
MissileThreat.com

A video has surfaced of Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama talking on his plans for strategic issues such as nuclear weapons and missile defense.

The full text from the video, as released, reads as follows:

Thanks so much for the Caucus4Priorities, for the great work you've been doing. As president, I will end misguided defense policies and stand with Caucus4Priorities in fighting special interests in Washington.

First, I'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president I will end it.[i.e. not win it]

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.

I will not weaponize space.

I will slow our development of future combat systems.

And I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.

Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.

You know where I stand. I've fought for open, ethical and accountable government my entire public life. I don't switch positions or make promises that can't be kept. I don't posture on defense policy and I don't take money from federal lobbyists for powerful defense contractors. As president, my sole priority for defense spending will be protecting the American people. Thanks so much.

Article: Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs:
http://missilethreat.com/archives/id.7086/detail.asp

"MissileThreat.com is a project of The Claremont Institute devoted to understanding and promoting the requirements for the strategic defense of the United States."

_____________________________________________________________

Obama Promises to Dismantle Our Armed Forces
by Robert Maginnis
Posted 04/10/2008 ET


(Mr. Maginnis is a retired Army lieutenant colonel, a national security and foreign affairs analyst for radio and television and a senior strategist with the U.S. Army)

YouTube has an undated 52-second clip of Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barrack Obama outlining his plans for America’s national defense. Obama’s presentation demonstrates either total naivete about important national security programs or he is just pandering for votes among the extreme left.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=25942

Note: Here is the *original* youtube video from the Obama camp:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o84PE871BE

Human Events uses this poor quality copy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

From "45 Communist Goals":
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963:

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

'Goals' 4-45 can be found here or at many other sites through a web search for "45 goals":
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

24 posted on 06/03/2008 8:52:16 PM PDT by ETL
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To: ncalburt
Are you about as sick of these individuals as I am? We have some folks that are chasing this “feather in the wind” theory where Obama wins and the next great age of conservatism is born. I am dumbfounded when I see these people try to pass themselves off as “conservatives” while advocating voting for Obama.

I used to think the best thing to do is ignore them, but I think I am going to just keep coming at them because the more you drill down on their theories, you expose their complete ignorance.

25 posted on 06/03/2008 8:59:27 PM PDT by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

I know of whom you speak and I think we need to start a list and if Obama wins, these folks should not be allowed to post one negative thing about the new administration.

It blows my mind they are advocating giving liberals, not Democrats, but liberals the reigns and they try to pass themselves off as “conservatives”.


26 posted on 06/03/2008 9:02:54 PM PDT by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

I know of whom you speak and I think we need to start a list and if Obama wins, these folks should not be allowed to post one negative thing about the new administration.

It blows my mind they are advocating giving liberals, not Democrats, but liberals the reigns and they try to pass themselves off as “conservatives”.


27 posted on 06/03/2008 9:02:54 PM PDT by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly
Interesting that, for all of Obama's perpetual gaffes and faults that are uncovered daily, there are STILL many on this site who would prefer to see him elected so as to "do as much harm to this country as possible" to wake up the GOP.

"Revolt With A Vote"?

Looks like Communist Party USA thinks Obama is someone who can deliver a *bloodless* revolution.

Dynamic Magazine Spring 2008 Double Issue!

Spring 2008, Issue 18
by Dynamic Committee, 30.04.2008 14:57

Author: YCLUSA [Young Communist League USA]
First published 04/30/2008 16:09 by (article_topic_desc)

Dynamic is the magazine of the Young Communist League USA. It includes art, politics, and culture written by youth, for youth.

The 2008 Spring Double issues includes articles about the youth impact on the 2008 elections, youth participation in unions, the writer's strike and its impact on a family that struggled through it, and much more!

Once on the site, click "youth impact" for article:
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/941/1/36/

Obama-file 20: Young Communist League Backs Barack Obama-Again
The Young Communist League USA is the youth wing of the Communist Party USA.
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/02/obama-file-20-young-communist-league.html

"MoveOn.org's nationwide network of more than 1,700,000 online activists is one of the most effective and responsive outlets for democratic participation available today."
--Communist Party USA (Unity and Coalitions):
http://cpusa.org/link/category/21/

See: MichaelMoore.com-->Links-->PoliticalAction (bottom of the page--CPUSA promo)

The Communist Party USA (CPUSA):
"We are a party of unity in action. We are an integral part of every struggle and movement for change to eliminate poverty and joblessness, against racism and for full equality. We are participants, initiators and leaders of every movement to make life better now and much better in a socialist future." Yeah, so they supported an oppressive dictator, like the Repubs and Democrats haven't? The CP is still around, has apologized for that whole Stalin thing, and has a quickly growing youth section.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/links/index.php?linkType=Political%20Action

The next one is also on his website...

The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win. Get it, Mr. Bush?
-actual quote from Michael Moore (2004). It still appears on his website:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-04-14

From The Revolutionary Communist Party

A Viewer's Guide to Fahrenheit 911

Revolutionary Worker #1246, July 18, 2004, posted at http://rwor.org

http://rwor.org/a/1246/fahrenheit_911_guide.htm

__________________________________________________________


Ex prez jimmy carter with michael moore at 2004 democrat convention

28 posted on 06/03/2008 9:03:22 PM PDT by ETL
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

Amen to that. I think it is time to call these folks out, because we have been giving them a free ride as of late. I had a back in forth with one on another thread and the more and more he replied, the dumber and dumber I felt for actually reading his replies.


29 posted on 06/03/2008 9:06:45 PM PDT by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: newbie2008

30 posted on 06/03/2008 9:09:45 PM PDT by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly
Rush really sounded freak out on Monday about the impact of an Obama regime on this country . He was dead serious about how dangerous Obama and his allies would be to our country well being . That GOP being a Phoenix rising from the ashes fantasy talk is so child like. They haven't figured out Obama and Buddies plan change to radically change the laws and institution and the mass media so radically there will be no next time . The radical left immediately shuts up its enemies like us , the new media ,and talk radio and then dismantles the voting laws so they stay in power for ever.
Just ask the people trapped in Venezuela how long it took for Hugo to destroy everything .
31 posted on 06/03/2008 9:11:47 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: lt.america
I stopped being passive and now confront there lies with facts and they usually scatter. I have heard some of stupid comments about McCain and his wife like there Iraqi war profiteers and these so called conservatives did not even know that the McCain's two sons are Marines in Iraqi.
32 posted on 06/03/2008 9:18:00 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: lt.america
I know of whom you speak and I think we need to start a list and if Obama wins, these folks should not be allowed to post one negative thing about the new administration.

Wow.An enemies list, of those who don't share the same right you do to express an unpopular opinion?...of freepers? Thats your proposal?

33 posted on 06/03/2008 9:22:47 PM PDT by adversarial (the pros and cons of voting for)
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To: GOP_Lady

Uh, good one!


34 posted on 06/03/2008 9:25:31 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Stop the Obamanation!))))
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To: adversarial
If someone is openly advocating voting for BO in order to restore the GOP, they shouldn't have to post anything negative about the Obama administration if they helped usher it in now should they.

I say stand up and take accountability, because these crack-heads advocating this BS now will be the same ones denouncing Obama in January of 09. Guarantee.

35 posted on 06/03/2008 9:31:27 PM PDT by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Listen to the pundits...its a first in American polictics...a blackman is the Democratic candidate for President...wonderful qualifications, he’s black, therefore he is qualified to be President. A first in American politics...what if if he had two black heads, he would be twice as qualified...and if he had a white head and a black head...what a marvel, a real first in American polictics. What if he had a tatoo of a white toilet on his chest with Hillery being flushed down the toilet, he would be a champion for President...why do I see a cockroach winning the Democratic nomination...how did we get this far down the sewer...


36 posted on 06/03/2008 9:37:36 PM PDT by Stayfree (**********************************************FLUSH HILLARY!!)
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To: lt.america
If someone is openly advocating voting for BO in order to restore the GOP, they shouldn't have to post anything negative about the Obama administration if they helped usher it in now should they.

Heck no! I propose we discredit them first and then ridicule and humiliate them. You know...the same thing we always do

I'm just not so sure about the "list" thing.

37 posted on 06/03/2008 9:48:59 PM PDT by adversarial (the pros and cons of voting for)
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To: adversarial
You are all making me feel like McCarthy here : )

Let me clarify, if there are people that are not happy with McCain, that is fine, I doubt that there are many conservatives that were thrilled with his nomination. But, when you have individuals that are proselytizing a plan to put someone in office in order to set a greater plan (that was contrived at the service end of a crack pipe in my opinion) in motion, I think that needs challenged. We are not talking about voting for the corkmaster of the wine tasting club, we are talking about the president of the free world. That should not be taken lightly.

38 posted on 06/03/2008 9:57:42 PM PDT by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: adversarial

Trying to silence the political speech of an adversary is a natural trait of someone who is attracted to McCain as a candidate.


39 posted on 06/03/2008 10:23:17 PM PDT by thecabal
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To: newbie2008

Obama may very well preside over the next U.S. Civil war... Shame really how the liberals stirred up all this vitriol and hate.


40 posted on 06/03/2008 10:25:24 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Prepare to do your time as Corvee labor on the Plantation of Barack and Michell Obama.)
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To: thecabal
"Trying to silence the political speech of an adversary is a natural trait of someone who is attracted to McCain as a candidate"

Aside from the above post, how so?

41 posted on 06/03/2008 10:43:56 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("All it takes for Obama to succeed is for good Conservatives to vote 3rd party or not vote at all..")
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To: lt.america
"I say stand up and take accountability, because these crack-heads advocating this BS now will be the same ones denouncing Obama in January of 09. Guarantee."

Bears repeating...

42 posted on 06/03/2008 10:46:21 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("All it takes for Obama to succeed is for good Conservatives to vote 3rd party or not vote at all..")
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly
"Trying to silence the political speech of an adversary is a natural trait of someone who is attracted to McCain as a candidate"

"Aside from the above post, how so?"

McCain-Feingold, I'm presuming. A fair criticism in my estimation.
43 posted on 06/04/2008 12:59:40 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: newbie2008

Obama is not just clueless about military matters, he’s clueless about everything. He’s one of those ultra-libs who thinks nasty, greedy Republicans are hiding the Huge Mountain of Wealth from everybody. I’ve never seen a bigger ignoramus and empty suit on the Dem side, and that includes Carter.


44 posted on 06/04/2008 1:24:29 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

Such is my intended targeted audience with respect to the comments I made. I fear that these people are beyond reaching due to their insipid hatred of McCain - they would rather this country go to hell under a DimocRAT as POTUS.


45 posted on 06/04/2008 1:20:35 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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