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6th-grader warned: Stop wearing pro-life T-shirts
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Posted on 06/04/2008 1:19:42 PM PDT by wintertime

A 12-year-old 6th-grader in Hutchinson, Minn., committed to an unusually brave mission for the month of April: he intended to wear T-shirts with a pro-life message to his middle school every day for a month.

His courage, however, was met with resistance. According to the boy's attorney, his principal and teachers told him "not to wear the T-shirts, publicly singled him out for ridicule in front of his classmates, removed him from class, sent him to the principal's office, forced him to turn his pro-life T-shirt inside out, and threatened him with suspension if he did not stop wearing the offending pro-life T-shirts."

Over the course of his one-month quest, the boy, identified only as K.B., was reprimanded by the school a dozen times. (snip)

K.B. began his T-shirt mission in honor of April 29th being designated "National Pro-Life T-shirt Day" by the American Life League, a group that calls itself the "largest grassroots Catholic pro-life organization in the United States."

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K.B. reported that he was first confronted on April 2nd by a teacher saying that the shirt "could be offensive." On April 4th he was sent to the principal's office because, his teacher said, the shirt was "inappropriate for class." In mid-April, K.B.'s mother reports, the school principal told her in a phone conversation that the shirts were forbidden because they had become a distraction and "some of the kids were starting to ask questions." On April 25th K.B. was threatened with in-school suspension.

When April 29th arrived, the day designated as "National Pro-Life T-shirt Day," the school principal called K.B.'s homeroom and ordered the boy to his office. "Why do you keep wearing those shirts when you know that they annoy me?" the principal allegedly asked.

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"Why do you keep wearing those shirts when you know that they annoy me?" the principal allegedly asked.

The truth is annoying to the Liberal/Marxists.

1 posted on 06/04/2008 1:19:43 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

http://americanlifeleague.stores.yahoo.net/naprtday201.html


2 posted on 06/04/2008 1:24:06 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: wintertime

So, students can go to class wearing shirts like “Coed Nude Cheerleading” or “Stop the hate - kill everyone” or “All your %#tches are belong to me”, but he can’t wear something expressing dislike for abortion.

Definately a public school.


3 posted on 06/04/2008 1:26:13 PM PDT by Ellendra (If you do not like the values of the west -see the first amendment- you are free to leave.)
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To: wintertime

May I assume that the so-called ACLU will not rush to the aid of this student? Perhaps he should just wear a “Che” T-shirt, then not only could he go to school, he could work for Obama.


4 posted on 06/04/2008 1:27:25 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: wintertime

Blooming idiot! Without more kids, that joker is out of a job! Relating it to a commercial enterprise for just a sec, what kind of shortsightedness makes it impossible to see that the ultimate end to your belief system leads to the closure of your industry due to lack of raw material to turn into finished product?


5 posted on 06/04/2008 1:27:26 PM PDT by Reagan80 ("Government is not the solution to our problem, Government IS the problem." -RR; 1980 Inaugural)
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To: wintertime

I am not sure we want our schools to be an environment where every kid with a political statement should be permitted to wear a tee-shirt proclaiming his or her ideology.

However, if we do permit the kid with the Pro-Life tee-shirt, we will also have to permit kids to wear Obama, Pro Choice and Anti War tee-shirts.


6 posted on 06/04/2008 1:27:45 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: wintertime
Hutchinson school district policy specifically states that schools are not to "abridge the rights of students to express political, religious, philosophical, or similar opinions by wearing apparel on which messages are stated." The policy does prohibit lewd, vulgar, obscene or profane messages. ...Sounds like the school doesn't have a leg to stand on. Remember though, that some opinions are more equal than others.

the school principal called K.B.'s homeroom and ordered the boy to his office. "Why do you keep wearing those shirts when you know that they annoy me?" the principal allegedly asked. ...Assuming that this is true (a huge assumption, given the general quality of the average journalist), then there's the crux of the matter. It's just a petty tyrant flexing their muscles.

7 posted on 06/04/2008 1:28:35 PM PDT by wbill
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To: wintertime

“some of the kids were starting to ask questions.”

Well now, we certainly wouldn’t want the kids asking questions. /s


8 posted on 06/04/2008 1:28:47 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: trumandogz

If only our society still had a decent sense of modesty and decorum, students would be allowed to wear anything they wanted, guided by their own sensibilities!
If I wanted to wear a pro-life shirt, fine! I probably wouldn’t chose one that showed an abortion being performed, it’d probably say “Chose life, not death” or to that effect. If some kid wants to wear a pro-death shirt (okay, that term is biased haha) it could say “It’s my body not yours,” or something similar. No harm no foul.
The problem is that there is no decency and code of ethics anymore.


9 posted on 06/04/2008 1:33:46 PM PDT by republicanequestrian
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To: wintertime

Given that school district policy is to allow students to wear clothes expressing political or religious opinions, the school doesn’t have a leg to stand on. No way in this day and age is there any kid old enough to read who isn’t already at least somewhat familiar with the abortion issue, so I don’t by the “disruptive” claim. Personally, though, I don’t think schools should allow clothing carrying any kind of “message”.


10 posted on 06/04/2008 1:34:46 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: wintertime
His courage, however, was met with resistance. According to the boy's attorney, his principal and teachers told him "not to wear the T-shirts, publicly singled him out for ridicule in front of his classmates, removed him from class, sent him to the principal's office, forced him to turn his pro-life T-shirt inside out, and threatened him with suspension if he did not stop wearing the offending pro-life T-shirts."

NOW WHERE IN THE HELL ARE THE PARENTS????? DOWN HERE, MY SON WAS GOING TO BE SUSPENDED FOR BEING LATE TO SCHOOL, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS OUR FAULT AS PARENTS. WE RAISED HOLY HELL WITH THE PRINCIPAL FOR PUNISHING HIM FOR OUR MISTAKES. ARE THE PARENTS SPINELESS SISSIES???? DO THEY JUST SIT THERE AND LET PRINCIPALS, TEACHERS AND OTHER THUGS ABUSE THEIR CHILD LIKE EFFIMINATE WIMPS??? OR...is this just another ploy to pi## people off and raise money?

11 posted on 06/04/2008 1:36:27 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Er, yes, I DO know the difference between “by” and “buy” . . .


12 posted on 06/04/2008 1:37:30 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: trumandogz
“I am not sure we want our schools to be an environment where every kid with a political statement should be permitted to wear a tee-shirt proclaiming his or her ideology.”

That seems to be the issue here, they don't want “every” kid to proclaim his or her ideology. Apparently the school only had a problem with this “annoying” message.

13 posted on 06/04/2008 1:38:05 PM PDT by CarryingOn (Don't tell me words don't matter. Barack H. Obama)
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To: wbill
Assuming that this is true (a huge assumption, given the general quality of the average journalist)

To be more complete: the quote is according to the journalist, who's quoting the lawyer, who's quoting the kid, who's quoting the principal.

Whatever the merits of the case as a whole, that's a pretty unreliable chain of evidence for what purports to be a crucial example of wrong-doing on the part of the school.

I never trust stories told from the perspective of the lawyer for the aggrieved party -- which this story is.

14 posted on 06/04/2008 1:41:11 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: MuttTheHoople
OR...is this just another ploy to pi## people off and raise money?

One cannot discount the possibility of that being one major component of the story....

15 posted on 06/04/2008 1:42:29 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: wbill

Oh .. and to add one further bit of unreliability to the chain, the reporter comes from WingNut Doily, so you have to factor in his or her personal views on the topic, as well.


16 posted on 06/04/2008 1:44:40 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: wintertime

Here’s a content-neutral solution to ideological messages — public school uniforms!


17 posted on 06/04/2008 1:48:43 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam
Here’s a content-neutral solution to ideological messages — public school uniforms!

I think the majority of the kids would love that idea!
18 posted on 06/04/2008 1:55:34 PM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (If there were no Cowards there would be no Bullies.)
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To: r9etb
Maybe it's just me, but I'm seeing too many stories of how Conservatives/Christians are getting abused by Teachers/College Professors/whoever for their beliefs, and they just sit there and take it like Larry Craig in a bath room stall.

The Conservatism I grew up with wouldn't have sat there and taken it like a bump on a log. I still think of the atheist shooter who turned the gun on himself after he realized the parishoners at that Colorado church were armed. People able to defend themselves, able to fight back, or, if meekness and turning the other cheek required, able to do that without whining about it.

I'm more and more convinced that even Christians and Conservatives now are relying too much on litigation and sympathy in their fights. They might get some money to help their cause, but, to be honest, I'm just fatigued at reading the latest outrage and not seeing our side fight back, laying there like some thai hooker in a bad porn film.

19 posted on 06/04/2008 1:56:35 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: republicanequestrian

Once you open up the door in a public school to all political expression you will have kids wearing tee shirts with pictures of aborted babies as well as pictures of dead American troops in Iraq.

I am not sure that is a door I want to be open.


20 posted on 06/04/2008 2:08:23 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: trumandogz

Hell, they do already along with pro gay t-shirts.


21 posted on 06/04/2008 2:21:04 PM PDT by Americanexpat
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To: MuttTheHoople
I'm just fatigued at reading the latest outrage and not seeing our side fight back,

I am too!

I suggest that every pro-life parent remove their child from government school. Then form political action groups that would elect officials **determined** to close these government school cesspools down!

Put the secular atheists running the government schools out of a job! Permanently!

Oh....I am sure to hear some whiner complain that some parents are too poor, or are divorced,...etc. OK! I agree. The way to do this is to form small mini-schools, one-room-school houses, dame schools, homeschool cooperates, tutoring, etc. If we **really** care about kids we would do this and pro-life people would fork out the charity needed to pay for the inexpensive costs of getting a disadvantaged kid out of these government cesspools.

Putting these secular, atheistic, Marxist teachers and principals out of job is the **best** way to fight back. ( And, rescue our kids, as well.)

22 posted on 06/04/2008 2:37:06 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: EggsAckley
“Well now, we certainly wouldn't’t want the kids asking questions”

Of course we don't comrade. That leads to them thinking for themselves and forming their own opinion.

23 posted on 06/04/2008 2:38:59 PM PDT by USMCGunnut (Be polite, be professional....but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: MuttTheHoople
One more thing.

Hm??....Do you think any Christian teacher in the government school cesspool stepped forward and vigorously argued for this child? I DOUBT IT! What weenies!

Any Christian teacher who ignored this incident, continues to ignore it, and quietly goes along to get along is teaching every child in the school that Christians are weak and timid weenies that care more about their paycheck than they do the TRUTH!

What student in the right mind would want to join a church filled with wimps!

24 posted on 06/04/2008 2:40:25 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: USMCGunnut

Of course we don’t comrade.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You have it figured out.

Scratch a liberal and under his thin skin is a Marxist.


25 posted on 06/04/2008 2:42:19 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: metmom
Another Reason to Homeschool
26 posted on 06/04/2008 2:44:05 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: trumandogz
I am not sure that is a door I want to be open. I agree, and wouldn't want it to be to either. I was just mourning the lack of decency in "kids these days." :)
27 posted on 06/04/2008 2:49:18 PM PDT by republicanequestrian
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To: wintertime
They just keep changing their name so that “the enemy cannot be named. 40s and 50s they were plain old communists, 60s and 70s, socialists. In the 80s and 90s liberals and now my favorite....progressive. The Emperor’s new clothes of names. If you don't agree with me you must be a backward thinking, racist, homophobic, gun totin, tobacco chewin, knuckle dragging, pickup driving redneck. I am sure I left plenty out. I usually tell those that label me as such that flattery will get them nowhere. Closer to the topic meanwhile, lol, I send my children to a Christian school and do my own homeschooling in between, teaching them how to think, not what to think.
28 posted on 06/04/2008 3:10:21 PM PDT by USMCGunnut (Be polite, be professional....but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: republicanequestrian

It is not a matter of Right v. Left and the tee-shirts they choose to wear but rather the disruption of the classroom that such shirts may cause.


29 posted on 06/04/2008 3:14:56 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: trumandogz

No better way to trivialize an issue than to make it into slogans printed on children’s clothes and bumper-stickers. Those are the only ways the weak-minded can express themselves. By donning the thoughts and wit of others.

Still, sounds like the kid was within his rights.


30 posted on 06/04/2008 3:15:05 PM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: L98Fiero

The school violated its own stated policy. The teachers and the principal should be reprimanded for ignoring that policy and harassing the student. There doesn’t need to be any money involved. A simple front-page apology w/photo should be sufficient. Being humbled is good for the soul.


31 posted on 06/04/2008 3:28:45 PM PDT by beelzepug ("That a-hole Bill Maher stole my tagline!")
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To: trumandogz

So would they ban a shirt that just had the word:

BANNED

on it? Or that word with a red line over it?
I am sure someone has thought of that one.


32 posted on 06/04/2008 3:34:27 PM PDT by AJMaXx (ILU Roo.....!)
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To: AJMaXx
FREE SPEECH
33 posted on 06/04/2008 3:37:12 PM PDT by airborne (LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!)
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To: airborne

They are in school and have limited Free Speech just as most of us adults cannot go to work wearing a tee shirt with pictures of aborted babies or of dead American Troops in Iraq.


34 posted on 06/04/2008 3:41:14 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: trumandogz

Actually, I was suggesting the content of the next t-shirt front.


35 posted on 06/04/2008 4:07:09 PM PDT by airborne (LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!)
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To: republicanequestrian
In the article in the St. Paul Free Press, the mom admits that she had an abortion at 25 and feels very, very guilty over it.

I wonder if she wore a similar shirt to work every day in the month of April in support of her son, or did she send a 12 year old in as a pawn to proclaim her views while she wore 'appropriate' clothing to work?

Just a thought......

36 posted on 06/04/2008 5:28:41 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; bill1952; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.
37 posted on 06/04/2008 7:50:29 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee

Pro-life alert


38 posted on 06/04/2008 7:54:38 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: traviskicks

The Government Schools strike yet again!


39 posted on 06/04/2008 7:55:14 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: wintertime

Typical “open-minded” bigots.


40 posted on 06/04/2008 8:03:01 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: trumandogz

What is so threatenting to you about a kid getting to wear an Obama T-shirt or a pro-choice T-shirt? Is that so threatenting we should allow these dipstick tyrants to harass a good kid?


41 posted on 06/04/2008 8:10:04 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: trumandogz

The school’s policy (which is worded very sensibly) says that no message will be prohibited unless it is “lewd, vulgar, obscene or profane.” Despite the sexual content associated with most of those words, it’s beyond doubt that aborted babies or dead soldiers would fall well inside the parameters and be prohibited.


42 posted on 06/04/2008 8:17:05 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: trumandogz

Any classroom that’s disrupted by a T-shirt with a pro-life slogan is a classroom the teacher never had control of in the first place. It sure sounds like the teachers and principal did more to disrupt classes than this kid ever could have dreamed of doing.


43 posted on 06/04/2008 8:20:05 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: L98Fiero
No better way to trivialize an issue than to make it into slogans printed on children’s clothes and bumper-stickers. Those are the only ways the weak-minded can express themselves. By donning the thoughts and wit of others.

I'm sorry, have you lost your bloody mind? Putting something succinctly (like 47,000,000 babies killed 1973-2008) in public is trivializing it? Really? You think someone reads those words and thinks it's a trivial issue? And if so, please share what grand, eloquent address a sixth grader will give to his fellows that will turn the abortion issue around.

44 posted on 06/04/2008 8:23:14 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: trumandogz; airborne
They are in school and have limited Free Speech just as most of us adults cannot go to work wearing a tee shirt with pictures of aborted babies or of dead American Troops in Iraq.

Neither can the kids at this school. Were you unaware of that, or just ignoring it?

45 posted on 06/04/2008 8:24:47 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: SoftballMominVA
I wonder if she wore a similar shirt to work every day in the month of April in support of her son, or did she send a 12 year old in as a pawn to proclaim her views while she wore 'appropriate' clothing to work?

First, what do you think the chances are that she works at a place where T-shirts are considered a valid part of the dress code?

Second, do you really think there's any chance that her workplace has the same policy against dress code censorship that his school does?

Third, why are you assuming this woman is lying about her son coming up with this on his own? Were your children lifeless automatons when they were in the 6th grade?

Fourth, why are you using her past abortion as justification for impugning her motives? Isn't it at least as likely that her role in killing another person motivated her to warn others?

46 posted on 06/04/2008 8:36:56 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Not threatening but not appropriate in the classroom.
47 posted on 06/05/2008 12:16:46 AM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: trumandogz; Mr. Silverback; L98Fiero; SoftballMominVA; Clintonfatigued
Not threatening but not appropriate in the classroom.(trumandogz)

So, Comrade?....Who gets to decide what is appropriate or not? Hm?....Would you suggest "The People's Indoctrination Camp Thought Control Committee"?

*The government is ordering this youth to shut up.

*The government is forbidding this youth freedom of the press.

*The government is trampling this youth's right to free expression of religious belief.

*The government is establishing its religious worldview and forcing it on every child and youth incarcerated in the building.

* The government is forcing this child into association with teachers who publicly ridicule him and his religious belief before his fellow citizens.

* The government is imprisoning this youth, who has committed no crime, and then trashing everyone of his First Amendment Rights!

*The government is using the threat of armed police to force this child and his mother into cooperation with the thought control of the government by way of its government indoctrination camps ( misnamed "schools").

ARMED POLICE THREAT!!!

This is what stands behind every government school.

Unless this youth's parents pay a ransom, in the form of extra homeschooling or private schooling expenses, this youth **MUST** present himself daily to government school guards and indoctrinators. If he does not, he and his parents face court, police, and foster care action, and risk **real** imprisonment in a **real** prison. If they were to be sufficiently resistant, government police would kill them.

Government schools are an abomination! Government schools, the First Amendment, and freedom of conscience can NOT, NOT, NOT, coexist! ( Yes, I am shouting. The American people are asleep and the house of freedom is on fire, and our Marxist infiltrated government schools are the arsonists. )

There are some, trumandogz, on this message board who do not know that the First Amendment only applies to government action. Private citizens and private businesses have every right to freely and mutually agree upon speech, press, expression of religion, association, and religious worldview issues. This is explains why private schools are in complete harmony with the First Amendment and are usually more orderly, safe, and effective than the government indoctrination camps.

Solution: Privatize universal K-12 education. Let parents, teachers, and principals amicably and mutually decide these issues privately.

For stating the truth some will accuse me of being inflammatory.

48 posted on 06/05/2008 1:30:51 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: r9etb

Please read post #48.


49 posted on 06/05/2008 1:32:22 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Reagan80
"Blooming idiot! Without more kids, that joker is out of a job! Relating it to a commercial enterprise for just a sec, what kind of shortsightedness makes it impossible to see that the ultimate end to your belief system leads to the closure of your industry due to lack of raw material to turn into finished product?"


Answer: It's the same mentality that suggests that it is good economic policy to try increasing egg production by strangling chickens.
50 posted on 06/05/2008 1:37:20 AM PDT by shibumi (".....panta en pasin....." - Origen)
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