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Liveblogging the Macleans Trial IV: Habib and Habib Not (Free Republic Mentioned!)
Macleans ^ | June 5, 2008 | Andrew Coyne

Posted on 06/05/2008 11:18:48 AM PDT by marinamuffy

We’re back, and the first item for business is Joseph demanding an apology for yesterday’s “scaredy-pants” outburst, which he says is causing his client “stress.”

It seems he is going to call Habib, but first wants to introduce yet another piece of last-minute evidence, from yet another blog post — this one from the California-based “Free Republic” site — which is yet again operated from somewhere in that vast section of the universe that is outside the jurisdiction of the tribunal. McConchie is raising objections, probably futilely.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.macleans.ca ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Canada; Free Republic; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bloggers; canada; kagaroocourt; macleans; marksteyn; steyn
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1 posted on 06/05/2008 11:18:48 AM PDT by marinamuffy
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To: fanfan

Canada ping.


2 posted on 06/05/2008 11:20:35 AM PDT by marinamuffy (I really dislike McCain but I'll crawl over broken glass to vote against Hillary or the Obamanation.)
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To: marinamuffy
"Canada ping"

Free Speech dull thud...

3 posted on 06/05/2008 11:27:14 AM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: marinamuffy

Aussies, Canucks, Brits and their cultural surrender... And, judging from the Moslem yoots car-burning reactions, France may actually be resisting their immigrant insurgents a bit. The Anglos, tho? Bet an Islamic Napolean could invade today’s Britain with little opposition.


4 posted on 06/05/2008 11:28:05 AM PDT by flowerplough ("articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy")
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To: knews_hound

Steyn ping


5 posted on 06/05/2008 11:49:46 AM PDT by marinamuffy (I really dislike McCain but I'll crawl over broken glass to vote against Hillary or the Obamanation.)
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To: marinamuffy

While surfing FR to find intemperate speech, will the HRC surf muslim sites for comparison?

Its not hard to find intemperate speech at FR, though they do place some limits. Go too far and you’ll get bounced.

And it would not be hard to find muslim sites where they are sawing off people’s heads. Not sure what you’d have to do on one of those sites to get kicked off.


6 posted on 06/05/2008 11:57:55 AM PDT by marron
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To: marron

I highly doubt it....it would probably be considered a hate crime!


7 posted on 06/05/2008 12:24:02 PM PDT by marinamuffy (I really dislike McCain but I'll crawl over broken glass to vote against Hillary or the Obamanation.)
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To: marron

jihadunspun.org


8 posted on 06/05/2008 1:38:20 PM PDT by Operation_Shock_N_Awe (I'd rather be a conservative nut job than a liberal with no nuts and no job)
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To: marinamuffy; GMMAC; Clive; exg; kanawa; conniew; backhoe; -YYZ-; Former Proud Canadian; ...

9 posted on 06/05/2008 2:15:56 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: marinamuffy; generalissimoduane

So I don’t get it. I heard Mark Steyn just talking with Hugh Hewitt about how Free Republic was part of this mix, but I don’t understand how. If people say things that are construed as anti-arab terrorist then it’s on Mark Steyn?


10 posted on 06/05/2008 3:27:30 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (McCain calls it "radical islamic terrorism," the dems don't refer to it at all)
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To: marinamuffy; backhoe; conniew; fanfan; Rb ver. 2.0; ari-freedom; davidosborne; ovrtaxt; E.G.C.; ...

Canada Free Speech Ping.


11 posted on 06/05/2008 4:03:30 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Cinnamon Girl

That is odd...


12 posted on 06/05/2008 4:09:33 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (High Maintenance Estrogen Bot........... look out :0))
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To: marinamuffy

I hope the court records include a link to the offending thread.


13 posted on 06/05/2008 4:12:09 PM PDT by SmithL (Look at Hillary's marriage, and tell me she won't settle for second place)
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To: Operation_Shock_N_Awe

I’m pretty sure you mean jihadunspun.net. The .org domain is occupied by a cybersquatter.


14 posted on 06/05/2008 4:14:09 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Fred Thompson/Clarence Thomas 2008!])
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To: SmithL

Supposedly one of my posts was cited. I merely said that the Muslims will get us one way or the other. I meant we can have our heads still on our bodies and surrender, or they will take our heads. If my post was so offensive, it would have been removed. Frankly, we need to fight back on US soil as well as abroad, or else we get this BS.

Frankly, I do not care if the Canadians like the truth or not. Too damn bad.


15 posted on 06/05/2008 4:16:44 PM PDT by indylindy (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: Operation_Shock_N_Awe

By the way, when you do visit jihadunspun.net, scroll way down to the articles:

==>

Rights And Rules

What would America’s founding fathers think about President Bush’s assertion that he has inherent power, his wrongful in invasion of Iraq and the eroding rights of US citizens?

By Former US Vice President Al Gore


16 posted on 06/05/2008 4:18:57 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Fred Thompson/Clarence Thomas 2008!])
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To: marinamuffy

I was reading the Macleans blog a short while and saw this. One was someone’s tagline. Pretty tacky and not helpful to Macleans or Steyn.

Although this whole case is ridiculous anyway. They are bringing in stuff that is actually completely irrelevant to the case itself. I never heard of Mark Steyn until I’d been studying Islam for a couple of years. I didn’t need him to tell me what to think. All I needed to do was read the Qur’an, ahadiths, and look at what historians had to say about Muhammad. It took only a few days of this for me to reach the same conclusions about Islam and my opinion has gone downhill from there. Canadian Muslims don’t need to force Macleans to publish them “to be fair.” There are thousands of Muslims bloggers.


17 posted on 06/05/2008 4:20:47 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: marinamuffy

Referenced in post

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2026698/posts

Cheers,

knewshound


18 posted on 06/05/2008 4:22:37 PM PDT by knews_hound (Democrats dilemma:Vote for a Nut with 2 boobs or a Boob with 2 nuts)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
If people say things that are construed as anti-arab terrorist then it’s on Mark Steyn?

Apparently. And Macleans is responsible for everyone in the entire world's response to what Mark Steyn writes. So by this logic shouldn't Jodie Foster have been brought up on charges for a certain assassination attempt?

19 posted on 06/05/2008 4:23:49 PM PDT by marinamuffy (I really dislike McCain but I'll crawl over broken glass to vote against Hillary or the Obamanation.)
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To: marinamuffy

The defense should get some samples of what was posted before Steyn wrote a word, LOL.


20 posted on 06/05/2008 4:24:10 PM PDT by donna (The United States Constitution and the Koran are mutually exclusive.)
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To: Cinnamon Girl

“If people say things that are construed as anti-arab terrorist then it’s on Mark Steyn?”

According to the Muslims, yes. Because of Steyn’s notoriety, he is supposed to have an adverse effect on people, leading them to think things about Muslims that, according to the Muslims, aren’t true. (Even if they are).


21 posted on 06/05/2008 4:26:11 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1
Pretty tacky and not helpful to Macleans or Steyn.

I completely agree with this statement. Blanket statements against certain people groups or calls for violence against them do not win anyone to our side. Of course I'm all for un-PC statements against an ideaology or specific enemy - i.e islamofascism or terrorists.

But this whole thought crime tribunal thing is surreal. I shudder to think that kangaroo courts like this will soon make their way to the states....

22 posted on 06/05/2008 4:34:37 PM PDT by marinamuffy (I really dislike McCain but I'll crawl over broken glass to vote against Hillary or the Obamanation.)
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To: marinamuffy

And every Muslim Sheikh, Imam, etc. who ever utters a word that is taken as inspiration by some jihadist anywhere, never mind any foul quotation that is ever repeated anywhere, must be held accountable. Will this ridiculous Canadian “Human Rights Commission” like to start policing all Muslim speech?

Oh, no, it’s always a one-way street with the cultural left — they have an agenda and they’re sticking to it.


23 posted on 06/05/2008 4:37:00 PM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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To: sageb1

FR taglines, indeed FR posts, should have Nothing to do with Macleans or Steyn. FR is a United States Website under United States law. Bringing FR posts into a Canadian Trial is a shyster move.


24 posted on 06/05/2008 4:45:00 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: marinamuffy
"..Anyway. Habib says he found all this “humiliating… dishonouring… questioning our morality.” Of the original article itself, he said he found the cover shot of women in burkhas “demonizing of Islam,” that it would “make people feel that this what will happen to you if you do not wake up.” The text, he said, was “discriminating, racial, full of hate.” He objects, inter alia, to its use of a quotation from Libyan dictator Muammar Khadahfy, who “has no credibility.” We’ll come back to that..."

More on the concept of Islamic Humiliation:

You Should Be Humiliated

25 posted on 06/05/2008 4:51:03 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: SmithL
Here is the referenced thread, comments in response to a book review. The first response mentioned in "court" today is #5 in:

The future belongs to Islam [Book review]

26 posted on 06/05/2008 4:52:36 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (I tried to explain that I meant it as a compliment, but that only appears to have made things worse.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

These morons are bringing in everything - even The Brussels Journal and Michelle Malkin.


27 posted on 06/05/2008 4:53:30 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: marinamuffy; All
But we were getting along so well!

Geez, these days I don't seem able to step out of the house without committing a hate crime

MARK STEYN | June 4, 2008 |

28 posted on 06/05/2008 5:02:29 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1
The only way FR posts might matter is if Canadian citizens in Canada made them, but the entire tribunal and the Canadian laws that underlie them are a travesty of justice and an affront to Free Speech.
29 posted on 06/05/2008 5:03:40 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: marron

Did Steyn call them TOWELHEADS or something?? What did he do?


30 posted on 06/05/2008 5:15:40 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: marinamuffy

Hey Muslims, we do not need Steyn to incite total disgust at your religion for the murder of over 3000 people by a massacre on 9/11, US Cole, and all the other atrocities you have inflicted on innocent US citizens.

Muslims remind me of liberals. Blame anyone other than yourselves. For those that did not participate, well you rarely speak out against Muslim extremism. You are known by the company that you keep.


31 posted on 06/05/2008 5:17:25 PM PDT by indylindy (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: marinamuffy
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32 posted on 06/05/2008 5:27:21 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
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33 posted on 06/05/2008 5:31:08 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Ann Archy; marinamuffy
Did Steyn call them TOWELHEADS or something?? What did he do?

Honestly, I read his book and I don't remember him saying anything at all disrespectful of Islam. Occasionally cheeky, perhaps, but not particularly disrespectful. The jist of it is that Europe is dying. The West is dying, demographically, it is not reproducing, because it has essentially lost its soul. Its fate is to be muslim, because it can't find the energy to reproduce itself.

And, the statistics to back that up are eye-opening. Only the US is reproducing itself. The others are dying. They'll be gone in a couple of decades. There will still be an Italy, but it won't be very Italian. There will still be a place called Russia, but it will be muslim, because they haven't the faith and courage and will to reproduce.

As he says, the future belongs to those who show up for it. If you're never born, you won't be showing up.

34 posted on 06/05/2008 5:34:05 PM PDT by marron
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To: marinamuffy
Here is what I surmise to be the "evidence." The comments are from one of two posts (that I could find) at the time of the original Steyn article.

[Start] What is the muslim eradicating DDT equivalent? (A reply: Chemically--Pig blood. Spiritually--Jesus Christ.) . . .
I will die before I have that filthy fraud of a religion forced on me . . .
the mentality of the Islamites is more primitive than that of a rabid ameba . . .
stop referring to Islam as a religion of peace because it is far from it . . .
(Expects Islamist attacks) Got my 30-06 zeroed to 300 yards. (a few comments about ammo followed) . . .
if there is another terror attack, you can bet your bottom dollar that alot of muslims will be made to feel... "unwelcome". And you can also bet that there will be a few less mosques in AMerica . . .
Well aimed, precisely delivered neutron bombs. Several dozen of them. Let the world howl. Get rid of the population, keep the oil production systems. . . .
[End]

Islamists have no respect for free speech -- except perhaps when it's them rioting, killing, maiming and going after the "infidels". Oooops. Another actionable FR comment. Anyone know how to use the erase function? Do they make white-out for pixels?

35 posted on 06/05/2008 5:38:16 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
They are saying that Steyn's writings (books, columns) are inciting hatred against Muslims. They searched FreeRepublic to find postings of Steyn's columns, and then used user comments on the articles as examples of hatred incited by Steyn's writings.

-PJ

36 posted on 06/05/2008 5:45:01 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: Political Junkie Too

You’ve nailed it. I can’t wait until the Tribunal goes after human rights violations by Muslim posters/columnists in Canada.


37 posted on 06/05/2008 6:01:21 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Political Junkie Too
I wonder how many comments they are using is by trolls who post inflammatory comments for this very reason. The challenge the court has and hopefully Steyn’s defense will capitalize on. You don't know who is posting or their real motives for posting.
38 posted on 06/05/2008 6:04:29 PM PDT by mnehrling
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To: Political Junkie Too

That argument is baloney! The basic opinion of FR posters toward Muslims was formed long before Steyn’s article. That
opinion was influenced by 9/11 and every act of bestial terrorism perpetrated by Muslims since.


39 posted on 06/05/2008 6:20:17 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: mnehrling

The Islamic God, Allah can kiss my ass and my pig. If he doesn’t like it he can take it up with my God in the afterlife.


40 posted on 06/05/2008 6:32:07 PM PDT by Rebelbase (McCain: The Third Bush Term ?)
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To: Political Junkie Too

The Islamofascists are bringing hate onto themselves. I hope the execution of the 9-11 conspirators is carried out by drowning in pig blood. Oh, come and get me canadian hrc tyrants.


41 posted on 06/05/2008 6:33:07 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Stalin, Mao, Castro, Obama.)
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To: indylindy

What was the thread?


42 posted on 06/05/2008 6:36:28 PM PDT by GOPJ ( McCain has not spent decades aiding and abetting people who hate America - Sowell)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Thank you for the ping, Anti-Bubba182.


43 posted on 06/05/2008 6:38:03 PM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: AuntB

You are Welcome!


44 posted on 06/05/2008 6:44:17 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: marinamuffy; knews_hound
So Steyn is being condemned because of our reaction?

Too easy.

Post something the Judge wrote and we'll all go nuts with "hate" over it.

He'll see "controlling reactions" isn't as easy as it looks.

45 posted on 06/05/2008 6:49:23 PM PDT by GOPJ ( McCain has not spent decades aiding and abetting people who hate America - Sowell)
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To: Political Junkie Too

No, we can hate Moslims without Mark Steyn telling us to...

Cutting off heads and constantly threating us is what causes Moslim hate.


46 posted on 06/05/2008 6:53:56 PM PDT by Chickensoup ( A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: Rebelbase

That’s going to be tough to come from a god that was created as a figment of Mohammad’s imagination in order to unite nomadic tribes for his own power hungry reasons.


47 posted on 06/05/2008 7:03:30 PM PDT by mnehrling
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To: Cinnamon Girl
So I don’t get it. I heard Mark Steyn just talking with Hugh Hewitt about how Free Republic was part of this mix, but I don’t understand how. If people say things that are construed as anti-arab terrorist then it’s on Mark Steyn?

well, it's hard to 'get it' because most of it doesn't make sense. From what i can gather, the Sock Puppets and the professional victims are using FR (as well as other blogs) as 'proof' that Steyn's article caused a backlash against Muslims.

The other day they tried to use blogs/postings that predated the article.
48 posted on 06/05/2008 7:17:28 PM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: tfecw

I’ll gladly go on record that I’ve proudly been part of a Muslim backlash long before I ever heard of Mark Steyn.


49 posted on 06/05/2008 7:19:32 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, were still retarded.)
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To: marinamuffy

Canada——fully infected these days.

http://www.catholicexchange.com/2008/06/04/112780/

Fr. Alphonse de Valk, a Basilian priest and pro-life activist known throughout Canada for his orthodoxy, is currently being investigated by the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) — a quasi-judicial investigative body with the power of the Canadian government behind it. The CHRC is using section 13 of Canada’s Human Rights Act to investigate the priest. This is a section under which no defendant has ever won once the allegation has gone to tribunal — the next stage of the process.


50 posted on 06/05/2008 8:15:15 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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