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No Graduation Walk for Confederate Flag-Wavers
Breitbart/WCCO ^ | 6/5/08 | Lisa Kiava

Posted on 06/05/2008 12:09:34 PM PDT by XR7

BLOOMINGTON, Minn. (WCCO) ― Flying the Confederate flag has long been controversial in Southern states but now it's causing a heated debate at Kennedy High School in Bloomington, Minn. Three seniors who displayed the flag will not be allowed to attend their graduation ceremony Wednesday evening.

"It was sitting like that in the parking lot," said Justin Thompson, as he held a Confederate flag that was hanging from a pole inside a pick-up truck bed.

On Tuesday, three seniors, each with a rebel flag on the back of their pick-ups, parked at Kennedy High School.

"I'm just a country type of person, country music, big trucks and everything, that's basically all it means to me," said Thompson.

"And then I found out later that day that it had been taken off when I got called down to the office," said Dan Fredin, who displayed the flag.

They were suspended and the suspension means they're barred from all school activities including their own graduation ceremony...

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.tv ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: confederate; confederateflag; discipline; dixie; educashun; flag; freespeech; graduation; prank; publicskrewels; rebel; silliness; teens; yesterday
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Silly kids.
But check out the VIDEO: http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=107483

The rotund school superintendant's voice says it all.

1 posted on 06/05/2008 12:09:34 PM PDT by XR7
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To: XR7

But burn the American flag and you get extra credit.


2 posted on 06/05/2008 12:11:23 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: XR7

Will they hold the same standard to those who wave the Mexican flag?


3 posted on 06/05/2008 12:11:28 PM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: XR7

Illegalize flags, and only criminals will have flags.

They should have shown up with the Mexican flag, they would have been asked to give a speech.


4 posted on 06/05/2008 12:12:06 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: TommyDale

...or the Rainbow fag? I mean flag?


5 posted on 06/05/2008 12:12:53 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (McCain or Obama-Either way we're screwed.)
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To: XR7

How is this not violation of free speech? Many schools bar ALL signs, flags, etc. at graduations, and that’s fine, but the school cannot allow some banners while specifically barring another.

How exactly does one define “the Confederate flag”? (I assume the school means the battle standard.) Can a student hailing from Georgia show his state flag, one quadrant of which is the old stars and bars? Can a student fly something very similar to the stars and bars BUT with kelly green instead of navy blue? Silly rule.


6 posted on 06/05/2008 12:15:04 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: XR7

Yeah - when the founders said “free speech” they didn’t mean for non PC types...


7 posted on 06/05/2008 12:15:56 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President!)
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To: XR7
Why can't the kids be honest and admit that it was an in-your-face gesture which they thought would be protected by their First Amendment rights?

Don't apologize: tell the truth and assert your rights.

8 posted on 06/05/2008 12:15:58 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: pogo101
Can a student hailing from Georgia show his state flag, one quadrant of which is the old stars and bars?

I think you mean the Mississippi state flag.

9 posted on 06/05/2008 12:18:07 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: XR7

To so solidarity with the Good Youth of JFK High, All Freepers should bring Confederate Flags to their workplace next Tuesday.


10 posted on 06/05/2008 12:20:42 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: XR7

Black principle + white kids + rebel flag = no graduation


11 posted on 06/05/2008 12:20:55 PM PDT by Snurple
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To: XR7
To show solidarity with the Good Youth of JFK High, All Freepers should bring Confederate Flags to their workplace next Tuesday.
12 posted on 06/05/2008 12:23:45 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: XR7

Remember when liberals were in the minority and shrieked about Free Speech when they burned American flags and made clothing out of them? Now they’re in charge and all Free Speech gets screened for political correctness.


13 posted on 06/05/2008 12:32:18 PM PDT by Spok
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To: wideawake

yeah, didn’t something like 30% of black voters vote to keep the Confederate flag as part of the Miss state flag?

When my class was graduating H/S they had a no jeans, shorts, etc rule. My friend came from a lower income family and lived on a farm. Jeans were the only pants he had. He bought them new and wore them to school, when they became ‘worn’ he wore them while working on the farm.

He showed up for the walk with his newest pair of dark blue jeans (concealed to the shins by the robe); the school told him they didn’t care the circumstances “change, or don’t walk.” He ended up finding a pair of ratty teal cordouroys, from his older brother (which were too big for him), and barely made it back as we were starting to march onto the field.

— It seems schools are always trying to find reasons to keep certain students from the Graduation Walk


14 posted on 06/05/2008 12:33:49 PM PDT by Operation_Shock_N_Awe (I'd rather be a conservative nut job than a liberal with no nuts and no job)
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To: Snurple
Principal approved flags:


15 posted on 06/05/2008 12:34:23 PM PDT by Rebelbase (McCain: The Third Bush Term ?)
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To: trumandogz
history of GA flags

1920-1956

1956-2001

2001-2003

current

16 posted on 06/05/2008 12:38:39 PM PDT by MooseMan
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To: Rebelbase

Two things stand out. One, the principal declared that the flags are forbidden because they’re “symbols of hate and racism”. Second, the ACLU has refused to help. Surprise surprise.


17 posted on 06/05/2008 12:41:25 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: MooseMan
The Stars & Bars: The original flag of the Confederate States of America (CSA)


18 posted on 06/05/2008 12:48:33 PM PDT by XR7
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To: wideawake
Current Georgia flag. Photobucket Photobucket 1st National Flag of the confederacy "stars and bars".
19 posted on 06/05/2008 12:48:40 PM PDT by Southern Partisan ("Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less." ----R. E. Lee)
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To: XR7

There was a thread on this yesterday:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2026064/posts

I’ll repeat what I said then:

I’m always torn about issues like this. In a public space, they have the right to do this. On private property, they have the right to ban it. Since it’s a public school, I guess that’s public space in a way, but it’s also owned by the school district, so its arguable that they have the right to make rules like this. High schools are tricky like that; freedom of speech has to be balanced with not allowing kids to be disruptive.


20 posted on 06/05/2008 12:49:18 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: Tzimisce

Liberal definition of free speech;

“Say or do anything you want in accordance with liberal positions with bravado and gusto while bravely having no fear of any consequential reactions or argument”

Convervative Definition of free speech;

“Say or do anything you want as long as it does not infringe on the rights or present personnal danger to others. Suffer the consequences and reactions to your excersie of free speech.”

Freedom of speech must never be suppressed, except for criticism directed at minorities, non-Christian religions, homosexuals, communists, illegal aliens, and other constituencies of the Democrat party.


21 posted on 06/05/2008 12:49:49 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (DemocRATS....the party of Slavery, Segregation, Secularism, and Sedition)
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To: XR7

Yep, a mincing fag. I also noticed they have pretty hot newsbabes in that vicinity.


22 posted on 06/05/2008 12:50:40 PM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney (Using Hillary to nip Obama's heels is like beating a dead horse with an armed nuclear bomb.)
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To: wideawake
Thanks -- I was almost totally wrong. I was thinking of Georgia's flag up to 2001 (but that's not a quadrant-ed flag anayway), but you are doubly correct (1) that GA's current flag has no "confederate flag residue" and (2) that MS's flag has a miniature battle-flag in one quadrant.
23 posted on 06/05/2008 12:51:48 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: XR7

The one kid with the shaved head was so full of it. Yeah, lots of “country living” in Bloomington, the pinnacle of suburbia and home the Mall of America...give me a break.


24 posted on 06/05/2008 12:56:38 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
High schools are tricky like that; freedom of speech has to be balanced with not allowing kids to be disruptive.

Can't allow potentially disruptive behavior in school for the same reasons it isn't allowed in prison. You do the math.

25 posted on 06/05/2008 12:56:38 PM PDT by thulldud (Congress does not want answers. They want scapegoats. (andy58-in-nh))
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To: Operation_Shock_N_Awe
yeah, didn’t something like 30% of black voters vote to keep the Confederate flag as part of the Miss state flag?

That I tend to doubt.

The vote on the flag was 65%/35% and the ethnic breakdown of Mississippi is 62% white/37% black.

I'm going to guess that the vote on the flag split pretty evenly down racial lines.

The most pro-old flag county was Tishomingo which voted 91% to keep it. Tishomingo is 95% white and 3% black.

The most anti-old flag county was Jefferson which voted 83% to get rid of it. Jefferson is 87% black, 13% white.

The most evenly balanced county was Yazoo which was split exactly down the middle: 4370 votes vs. 4370 votes - 50% for, 50% against. Yazoo is 54% white and 45% black.

This would indicate that very few blacks voted for the old flag, and that very few whites voted against.

26 posted on 06/05/2008 12:59:30 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: thulldud

Hey, I’m no fan of the public school system. They’re being forced to be there, so it is prison in a way. On the other hand, parents have the right to send their kids to private school or homeschool, and opt out of the rules of the public school system. It’s a big gray area, and I don’t claim to have the answer.


27 posted on 06/05/2008 1:01:16 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: wideawake

So much for freedom of expression. The descent into liberal totalitarianism continues.


28 posted on 06/05/2008 1:01:46 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: pogo101
GA's current flag has no "confederate flag residue"

Ah, no. The '56-'01 flag incorporated the Battle Flag (arguably nonpolitical during the War). It was "too devisive". So, for the current one we incorporated the entire CSA First National Flag (the national symbol of the CSA and all its "feelings") without so much as a wimper from the PC crowd.

You gotta love the irony, I don't care who you are...

29 posted on 06/05/2008 1:02:29 PM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution - Tar/Feathers '08)
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To: Southern Partisan
The Florida and Alabama flags are also variations on Confederate flags.

But the Georgia 1956 flag clearly incorporated the battle flag.

The 2003 flag is much more subtle.

Probably more than 90% of the population could not describe what any of the Confederate national flags looked like.

30 posted on 06/05/2008 1:05:51 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
A good point. People have the right to fly the flag if they want, but trying to pretend that it's not found offensive by a lot of people is denying reality. I find it offensive as it's the flag of a country that for its entire existence was an enemy of the United States of America. I find it treasonous, and am perplexed why so many supposed conservatives glorify it.
31 posted on 06/05/2008 1:08:10 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: LTCJ
You gotta love the irony, I don't care who you are...

I laughed out loud when I first saw the newest flag. If the opponents of the 1956 flag really were knowledgeable in history, at least one of them would have noticed.

32 posted on 06/05/2008 1:10:24 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
I find it offensive as it's the flag of a country that for its entire existence was an enemy of the United States of America. I find it treasonous, and am perplexed why so many supposed conservatives glorify it.

Few people get as screamed at on these threads as I do for my utter contempt for the Confederacy as an organization.

However, it remains to be said that few people on earth ever fought so nobly and so often well-intentionedly for such a contemptible cause.

A man like Robert E. Lee was a tragic hero in the original sense of Greek tragedy - like Oedipus or Theseus. An individual of incredible character and talent who was undone by a single fatal flaw.

33 posted on 06/05/2008 1:16:17 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: XR7

I have been known to display a Hardee flag on occassion. Since no one knows what it it, there is no controversy.


34 posted on 06/05/2008 1:18:14 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: LTCJ

You’re right that when I (like most Yankees) say “Confederate flag,” I mean a rectangular VERSION of the (square, in actual war use) Confederate battle flag. I had never even SEEN the “civilian” flag of the Confederacy until just the last few years.

Irony indeed!


35 posted on 06/05/2008 1:18:35 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: TommyDale

Not just waving the Mexican flag, but taking down the US flag and hoisting the Mexican flag to wave over school campuses.

Happened a number of times in recent years. Those who then took down the Mexican flags were then punished.

Such is “tolerance”. Surrender of the country is more like it.


36 posted on 06/05/2008 1:19:48 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: trumandogz

You’ll be doing this too I presume?


37 posted on 06/05/2008 1:21:21 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

I don’t glorify it. But desecration of our flag is permitted under free speech. Some flags are more equal and some speech is more protected.

And it is an “expired” flag. It flys over no foreign power.

While a private employer could take such a stand on private property, can a public school make this demand?


38 posted on 06/05/2008 1:23:41 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

The school indeed has the power to ban it, but to prevent the kids from walking at graduation is a vindictive and petty move by the principal.

I’ve always believed that a substantial portion of people who go into school administration do so to get back at the mean kids they went to school with.


39 posted on 06/05/2008 1:27:20 PM PDT by YCTHouston
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To: wideawake

I’ve gotten myself in trouble too. I guess we’re just a couple of no-good Yankees.


40 posted on 06/05/2008 1:45:28 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

It was an enemy of the half of the United States of which it itself was not composed.


41 posted on 06/05/2008 1:45:34 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
I find it treasonous, and am perplexed why so many supposed conservatives glorify it.

Because conservatives see the Confederacy as the last attempt of the states to resist the all-powerful federal juggernaut. We aren't allowed to consider the war as about anything but slavery, but in fact it was about who got to decide the question (and, as it worked out, all subsequent questions.)

Do I really need to put on my own flameproof shorts now...?

42 posted on 06/05/2008 1:55:50 PM PDT by thulldud (Congress does not want answers. They want scapegoats. (andy58-in-nh))
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To: weegee

I absoutlely agree that it’s protected free speech. I also agree that it can be banned on private property. I raised the point in my earlier post that public schools occupy a strange grey area; they’re public in a sense, but they’re also owned by the school district, arguably giving the school district the authority to ban it. I know this area, having grown up one town away, and I’m willing to bet these kids were trying to start trouble. This makes me less sympathetic, but I’m still not sure if the school really had the right to do this. It’s a tricky issue.


43 posted on 06/05/2008 1:57:23 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: XR7

“...just a good ol’ boys, never meanin’ no harm...”


44 posted on 06/05/2008 1:57:40 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (Conservatives are to McCain what Charlie Brown is to Lucy.)
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To: YCTHouston

It may have been a harsh punishment, especially since they’ve now embarrased themselves by making asses of themselves on TV. I defintely agree with the second part of your post.


45 posted on 06/05/2008 2:01:36 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: thulldud

It was about more - you’re right about that. However, slavery was a big factor, as Federal government pressure to end slavery was one of the things that the Confederate states were resisting.


46 posted on 06/05/2008 2:11:30 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: Celerity

Where the S***t did the 1st Amendment go?


47 posted on 06/05/2008 2:35:54 PM PDT by JSDude1 (It;s only a protest vote if your political worldview is Republican 1st, conservative 2nd-pissant)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

Not when Children are forced by truency laws (and their parents forced to pay) for “public facilities” including public schools, and the so called education which goes with them: the students 1st Amendment rights take precedent to some bureaucrats notion of what is correct or not. Bottom line unless these students were threating the life or propert of another student or adminstrator (teacher) then they had the perfect right to have the Confederate Battle flag on any school property (as long as the flag wasn’t endorsed by a teacher or school activity)!


48 posted on 06/05/2008 2:40:48 PM PDT by JSDude1 (It;s only a protest vote if your political worldview is Republican 1st, conservative 2nd-pissant)
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To: JSDude1

It’s not such a black and white issue. As for the truancy laws, parents have a right to put their kids in private school or homeschool them, so they can avoid the public schools if they want. Also, while the schools are funded by taxpayer money, the taxpayers also get to vote for their school board members. If they don’t like the policies coming out the schools, they have the power to instill new leadership.


49 posted on 06/05/2008 2:53:17 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: pogo101
How is this not violation of free speech?

He mentioned the flag being a symbol of hatred and bigotry, implying hate speech. "Hate Speech" should be referenced as the notorious spark in the disintegration of free speech.

50 posted on 06/05/2008 3:48:37 PM PDT by taraytarah (It's not about Climatology. It's about Freedom. - - Vaclav Klaus)
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