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Natural Gas Rush in Northeast Opposed!!
Damascus (PA) Citizens ^

Posted on 06/07/2008 3:59:05 AM PDT by finnsheep

The Marcellus Shale play is the latest huge thing in natural gas, considered by some to be a "super giant" gas field. Read more here http://www.petroleumnews.com/pntruncate/246893563.shtml

The edge of the Marcellus Shale in Northeast PA and NY is about 100 miles from NYC, which means the gas needs only a very short trip by pipeline to the major metropolitan centers.

Natural gas is the cleanest of the fossil fuels and also is a source for hydrogen for hydrogen powered vehicles.

So here are a bunch of "concerned citizens" planning to oppose it with all their might.

"The Damascus group has plans to pursue all avenues to stop the drilling, which include the use of moratoriums and other legal actions in the courts. It announced at the meeting that the group had enlisted the services of Richard Lippes, a renowned environmental attorney who was instrumental in winning a $129 million lawsuit for residents of the Love Canal section of Niagara Falls, NY, against Occidental Petroleum." You can tell them what you think of their efforts at DCS@mailhosts.net


TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: New Jersey; US: New York; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: damascus; energy; fossilfuel; fossilfuels; gas; gasdrilling; marcellus; marcellusshale; naturalgas; nimby; nyc
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1 posted on 06/07/2008 3:59:05 AM PDT by finnsheep
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To: finnsheep; Beowulf

ping


2 posted on 06/07/2008 4:00:31 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: finnsheep

I know they’re idiot. I know they’re malfunctioning morons.

But why? Do they say why?


3 posted on 06/07/2008 4:02:30 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: finnsheep

Is any counter-protest or legal effort being organized?


4 posted on 06/07/2008 4:02:43 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, were still retarded.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Heating oil will probably be $6 per gallon this fall. At those prices,they better pray for GW.
Natural gas is $13.
The heating bills will be double.
All that would help a pro drilling Pres candidate. If we had one.


5 posted on 06/07/2008 4:17:03 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: samtheman

The answer to your question is right there in the article...
Just your typical NIMBY scenario...
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“We are working very hard to prevent the dire effects of gas well drilling in our township and in the Upper Delaware River Basin, including Wayne County, PA and Sullivan County, NY. Overwhelming evidence now exists that the type of gas drilling proposed for our area causes contaminated drinking water, carcinogens in the farmland and food chain, torn-up roads, risk of explosions, toxic air pollution, plummeting real estate values, and screeching noise polution.”


6 posted on 06/07/2008 4:20:16 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Oldexpat

But doesn’t oil/gas that is extracted go up for sale on the world market?

Do we presently drill for our own usage?


7 posted on 06/07/2008 4:31:55 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Change the 22nd Amendment so all politicians serve two terms.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Drilling methods of today fully isolate the well bore from all chances of cross contamination in the gorund water systems. The roads are rebuilt much better to handle the loads, paid for by the oil company and left better than they found them.

Carcinogens in the farm land and food chain? That’s actually the most ignorant thing I’ve ever heard. That’s impossible! Risks of explosion? About as much chance of them losing their homes to an earthquake.....none. Toxic air pollution? It’s all contained and sealed in a tight pipe line.

Plummeting real estate values? The well head left behind will be about the size of a large barbecue grill. And the lucky people to have mineral rights to the land will retire early on the royalties. There will be a stampede to buy land there for that reason alone. Real estate values will go off the chart.

These people are disgusting and beyond stupid.


8 posted on 06/07/2008 4:33:43 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: finnsheep

So...apart from the routine (unsubstantiated) claims of indescribable environmental damage...do these tree hugging enviro-whackos have any other basis for their objections?

Time to tell them to sit down and shut up. They can resume whining and whimpering when we have secured the nation, again.


9 posted on 06/07/2008 4:34:29 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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To: Repeal The 17th

“Plummeting real estate values” is the key word in all of this.


10 posted on 06/07/2008 4:35:38 AM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

This is a gas field only. It will not likely go on the World market because the fungible market for Liquified Natural Gas is limited. It has to be compressed and chilled to -180 deg. F. in order to be transfered to a liquid state for shipment. It is not very easy to handle and most facilities that do it are right at an ocean shipping port.

I this case, it will be for commercial/domestic use only.


11 posted on 06/07/2008 4:40:34 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: finnsheep

Fill up with $6/gal. gas and go to an o’bama shindig, 80 miles away.


12 posted on 06/07/2008 4:41:13 AM PDT by Waco
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To: perez24

Please read post #8


13 posted on 06/07/2008 4:43:13 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: finnsheep
In other news, I got a notice from Pennsylvania Power & Light this week that they want to raise my monthly natural gas bill by 30% next winter.
14 posted on 06/07/2008 4:43:24 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: ovrtaxt
"Is any counter-protest or legal effort being organized?"

They're drilling like mad for Dominion in my area. Meaning they plan on pumping a lot of it. There will be one forming shortly, as I get hold of landowners, starting with Hubby's uncle; the location on his property is ready for the rig to be set on Monday.

15 posted on 06/07/2008 4:48:20 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama = Bumbling Tyrant who loves America's enemies)
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To: finnsheep

Why in the world would they want to stop the drilling? The logic of their thinking escapes me.


16 posted on 06/07/2008 4:48:49 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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To: Repeal The 17th

I didn’t read the article. Thanks.

I don’t think I will. Too depressing.


17 posted on 06/07/2008 4:52:33 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Repeal The 17th
Overwhelming evidence now exists that the type of gas drilling proposed for our area causes contaminated drinking water, carcinogens in the farmland and food chain, torn-up roads, risk of explosions, toxic air pollution, plummeting real estate values, and screeching noise polution."

Complete and utter BS. The new drilling technology that's been in use several years included sounding, then drilling and sounding, drilling samples (the labs are right there on the job) ect., so they know exactly the angle and almost exactly the depth to drill. If your water is contaminated THEY have to PAY all of it.

If a 5 gallon can of diesel fuel is spilled on the job, they have to immediately begin HAZMAT procedure to contain the spil and clean it up. I know, Hubby's worked on the rigs in the past few years and was th eone that got stuck doing cleaning up because of his HAZMAT certifications.

Drilling companies are VERY green these days.

18 posted on 06/07/2008 4:54:35 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama = Bumbling Tyrant who loves America's enemies)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Do you live down the road from me?


19 posted on 06/07/2008 4:55:02 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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To: samtheman

The ‘why’ is very simple. These types do not want additional energy of any type. Their solution is to ‘conserve, conserve, conserve’. They want higher energy costs to achieve their solution.


20 posted on 06/07/2008 4:57:25 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (A true patriot will do anything to keep a Democrat out of the White House.)
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To: finnsheep
You can get NG filling stations for your car at home.

The Chevy Volt IMHO should be made NG fueled only to get it of the refinery grid.

The Northeast could buy tons of them and like vehicles of this planform which can be scaled at some point. Great range, and very low emissions.

We and the Northeast Liberals can then tell the Saudi's were they could pound their sand.

Unfortunately the Sierra Club will probably nix this too, as the House and Senate continue to play musical chairs on the deck of the Titanic as the Sierra Club band continues to play their favorite tune.....

21 posted on 06/07/2008 5:01:16 AM PDT by taildragger (The Answer is Fred Thompson, I do not care what the question is.....)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Being as we live 1/4 mile from a gas compressor station, we would be happy if we could even get natural gas. We even have a pipe line that runs thru the back of our property. We have to use propane which is MUCH more expensive than natural gas.
22 posted on 06/07/2008 5:01:25 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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To: Dustbunny

They are typical ignorant Liberals who are jealous for one. They see the families with a drilling rig on their land, reaping a healthy retirement for land use and royalties.

Their claims are completely bogus and any half baked technical witness will make them out to be the complete morons they truly are. No court will close down drilling based on their ridiculous claims. They can’t because the drilling is done on private land and the drilling contractor is licensed and the project is overseen by the State and environmental authorities.


23 posted on 06/07/2008 5:06:00 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: finnsheep

These projects are opposed by a smattering of moonbats who show up at local government meetings and exercise an influence far beyond their numbers.

If conservatives showed up at these meetings these leftists would be beat them everytime, and they’d crawl back in their holes and disappear. But for some unknown reason, conservatives do not show at meetings. I don’t know why.

We were warned by the Founders that if we wanted to keep this government we needed to be informed and involved. The lack of participation in local government is one of the primary reasons we are losing our country. If small government advocates attended meetings, we could take back our country in a decade and drive the left wingers over the cliff. They are, after all, cowards and find strength only in our silence.


24 posted on 06/07/2008 5:09:00 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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To: DugwayDuke

But nobody asks them whom they’re conserving it for. The only alternative to supply demand is for other countries NOT to conserve, then we have to import, which is expensive, and then use expensive treatments to make it blend enough to burn right because not all natural gas is the same: LB (imported gas) tends to be lighter and not as heat producing as natural gas found under the US.


25 posted on 06/07/2008 5:15:16 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama = Bumbling Tyrant who loves America's enemies)
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To: cake_crumb

They’re not ‘conserving’ it for anything. Their guiding principle is that we should use less energy. And, they are quite content to force the rest of us to use less by restricting supplies and increasing costs to where we are forced to use less.


26 posted on 06/07/2008 5:25:29 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (A true patriot will do anything to keep a Democrat out of the White House.)
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To: finnsheep

I am to the point where I want to see all these types of lawsuits punished with life in prison.

Who died and left all the greenies in charge?

Why is 2% of the population running the other 98%???

Most of these freaks are trust fund babies who have never worked a day in their lives.

their idea of a hard life is having to get up before noon everyday and not being able to get a new BMW every 6 months. Or not having the paparazzi awaiting them when they go to dinner. Enough already!!

The inmates are in charge of the asylum, and it is time we took it all back. They have run amuck and are not thinking, they are just “feeling”.

When they all have to sign the front of a paycheck for a business, instead of the back of a trust fund check, then they can sit at the table and make monumental decisions.

Until they put in 60-80 hours a week trying to keep a business going, with employees who are expecting a paycheck every week, and government agencies who paper a business to death with forms and regulations and fees, they can just STFU.

I don’t even want a bounty on them anymore. I want open season.


27 posted on 06/07/2008 5:28:15 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Oldexpat

“All that would help a pro drilling Pres candidate. If we had one.”

If those numbers are in play by then ... we’ll have one.


28 posted on 06/07/2008 5:30:13 AM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: perez24

“Plummeting real estate values” is the key word in all of this.”

Perhaps- but they have it backwards. Wherever mineral rights exist, the values will go up.


29 posted on 06/07/2008 5:30:16 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

The opponents are wealthy Democrat “Greens”. They have got theirs and can afford $6 gas. They are stiff-necked elitists, pecksniffs and bluestockings. They play footsie with Marxists, and don’t even comprehend that “come the revolutioon” the “cosmopolitains” are always the first to be eliminated.

gr


30 posted on 06/07/2008 5:31:45 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: sergeantdave

If conservatives showed up at these meetings these leftists would be beat them everytime, and they’d crawl back in their holes and disappear. But for some unknown reason, conservatives do not show at meetings. I don’t know why.”

Alot of these “meetings” are held at hours of the day when conservatives are working. The trust fund moonbats are never working, so they schedule meetings during business hours, and they don’t heavily publicize them, as they don’t want any opposition and the other viewpoint.


31 posted on 06/07/2008 5:34:18 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Oldexpat

Bob Barr.


32 posted on 06/07/2008 5:37:59 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, were still retarded.)
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To: cake_crumb

Awesome. Rip em a new one!


33 posted on 06/07/2008 5:39:08 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, were still retarded.)
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To: DugwayDuke
"They’re not ‘conserving’ it for anything. Their guiding principle is that we should use less energy."

Exactly, but they keep SAYING they want to "CONserve", rather then "PREserve" (not use ever) it. This is known as lying, and we keep letting them get away with it.

Lunatics just like that are why we don't have any new nuclear poer plants and why the US went from one of the top producers of oil to WAY down in the ranks during the Clinton administration. And don't even get me started on logging. They have been proven over and over again to have no clue what they are talking about, and yet because they are given enough of a voice to convince the public there is a majority which does not, in fact exist (climate change "consensus", anyone), the public shuts it's collective eyes and lets these blind, narrow lunatics lead our energy policy.

34 posted on 06/07/2008 5:57:15 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama = Bumbling Tyrant who loves America's enemies)
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To: sergeantdave
"But for some unknown reason, conservatives do not show at meetings. I don’t know why."

Because conservatives are busy having a life. For the eco-nutcases, protesting IS their life.

35 posted on 06/07/2008 6:02:45 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: finnsheep

If they don’t want us to drill in this area, we should shut down all gas, oil, and gasoline transportation serving these morons, since all of these are ‘dangerous.’


36 posted on 06/07/2008 6:03:31 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: sergeantdave
"If conservatives showed up at these meetings these leftists would be beat them everytime, and they’d crawl back in their holes and disappear. But for some unknown reason, conservatives do not show at meetings. I don’t know why."

We have to know about them first. Thus the importance of telling people this is coming.

37 posted on 06/07/2008 6:08:47 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama = Bumbling Tyrant who loves America's enemies)
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To: Repeal The 17th
I have a piece of land an oil company is paying me to extract natural gas from. I get a pretty sweet check from it, too. There are people I know who have farms on some of the land, built houses some of the land, (I own only a small parcel of the producing field), so they are literally saying Yes, In My Back Yard, the opposite of NIMBY. Of course, they get a check, but the people who don't live on the producing gas field could still benefit economically by cheaper, cleaner electricity.

I don't know about contaminated drinking water or carcinogens in the farmland, but there were no roads or only gravel roads in this area before the gas well, now they are paved. The site dates back to the 1970's and there has never been an explosion. The real estate prices have actually gone up since people want to live on land with valuable mineral rights, and I have never been able to hear any noise, but I have never gotten close to the well.

Have the protesters ever visited a gas well and/or looked at before/after scenarios, I wonder.

38 posted on 06/07/2008 6:12:38 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: All

In our area, this is all the talk.

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080606/NEWS01/806060334&s=d&page=1#pluckcomments
Haynesville Shale meeting draws hundreds


39 posted on 06/07/2008 6:16:04 AM PDT by abb (Organized Journalism: Marxist-style collectivism applied to information sharing)
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To: samtheman

They’re saying the hydraulic extraction process makes a mess and makes the drinking water stink. They also say it releases hundreds of chemicals into the water table. There is no mention of concentrations on the home page of the site.

Of course, the chemicals were already there, and natural gas has no scent (mercaptan is added to give the distinct aroma) so some of what they say is pure bs. Well, most of it.

Probably all of it. :)


40 posted on 06/07/2008 6:18:48 AM PDT by sig226 (Real power is not the ability to destroy an enemy. It is the willingness to do it.)
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To: sportutegrl

See post # 8.....

As far as noise, all gas wells are free flowing and are completely silent. Even oil wells that are pumped are done so with electricity and only deliver a whisper for someone standing within a few feet of the well.

These people are complete dishonest liars. And they know it.


41 posted on 06/07/2008 6:19:25 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: sig226

These people are liars. All wells are cased all the way to the surface and pressure tested to guarantee there are no leaks.

Any thing in the water beforehand is because of natural communication between formations. There may also have been a few older wells that were drilled many decades ago that have allowed communication. But this is rare and is easily fixed.

But modern methods guarantee that will not happen. These people are patently dishonest.


42 posted on 06/07/2008 6:25:42 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: cake_crumb

Bunch of damn commies!


43 posted on 06/07/2008 6:28:15 AM PDT by east1234 (It's the borders stupid!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Yes and no. Natural gas is hard to transport, so it sells for cheaper locally than on the world market.


44 posted on 06/07/2008 6:37:23 AM PDT by dangus
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To: ridesthemiles; Wonder Warthog; cake_crumb

“Alot of these “meetings” are held at hours of the day when conservatives are working.”

We have remedies for meetings held during working hours, or meetings not publicized.

Show up and demand the meetings be held in the evening. If they don’t acquiesce, throw them out of office with a special election.

Many states have a strong a home-rule government model that allows you to circulate recall petitions and throw the leftists out at any time.

If meetings aren’t posted according to law, states have open meetings laws. It allows you, the citizen, to sue politicians for violating the open meetings law. This includes fines, attorney fees compensation and jail time for these offending hacks. Any ordinances passed at these illegal meetings are also voided. Learn your open meetings law and use it.

And believe me, these leftists are holding illegal meetings all over this country. Every day.

It’s the one law that gives citizens real power over the scheming traitors in local government, and judges can get real tough against these conniving worms.


45 posted on 06/07/2008 7:08:37 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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To: finnsheep

If you like $4/gal, Thank the Sierra Club.

Pray for W and Our Troops


46 posted on 06/07/2008 7:19:38 AM PDT by bray (Drill Congress!!!)
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To: ridesthemiles; Wonder Warthog; cake_crumb

And one more trick you need to be aware of.

Leftists will hold consensus public meetings. Citizens will be divided into groups and leftist facillitators will manage each group to reach a pre-ordained consensus. This is especially done in matters concerning private property, land-use plans and economic development.

This is illegal for the simple reason that a quorum is no longer present. If you find yourself at such a meeting, stand up and declare it illegal and call the sheriff if necessary.


47 posted on 06/07/2008 7:21:41 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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To: ridesthemiles

Yep. A co-worker has had some undeveloped land in the boonies for 30 years, paying taxed for it for that long. Now they have an offer for so much an acre for rights to drill, plus revenue sharing if energy is found. $86,000 isn’t a bad chunk of change.


48 posted on 06/07/2008 7:29:01 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: finnsheep

Does anyone recall the Shoreham nuclear power plant? A completed plant that ran low level tests before full scale operation and was shut down forcing rate payers to fork over billions of bucks.
Location? Bet you can’t guess!


49 posted on 06/07/2008 11:21:01 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: finnsheep
Can anyone tell me if GWB could issue an executive order to ok drilling for oil and natural gas in some of the known reserve locations? I know he probably wouldn't’t but would it work if he did?
50 posted on 06/07/2008 11:32:39 AM PDT by toomanylaws
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