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Asking the White Guys: Don't Try This at Home (Diversistas again)
DiversityInc ^ | 5 June | Luke Visconti

Posted on 06/07/2008 7:04:31 PM PDT by flowerplough

Question:

I lead the diversity and inclusion function and we have 12 regional diversity councils that we bring together at a summit once a year. This year we are having a segment called "Ask the White Guys." Our objective is to include the white guy in the diversity conversation. Any suggestions or things we ought to think about as we moderate this segment?



Answer:

I suggest you not do this.

Diversity management is a disciplined business subject that, properly implemented, drives productivity, innovation, profitability and sustainability. It does not mean that people have an open license to sound off on their opinions.

(Excerpt) Read more at diversityinc.com ...


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And one reader's response:

"As an African American male I am concerned about inclusive (in this case the "White Guys") until there is some clarification ( ground rules). People of color and particularly Blacks need to have a discussion about their personal, yet similar experience being Black. When ever I have been in meeting to discuss diversity, the majority "White Guys/Girls" tended to "water down" the subject, make it too inclusive i.e., reminding everyone that they/parents are from foreign countries, migrated to the US and worked hard (not for free obviously) to get to where they are today. The problem (my opinion) is that these remarks point to a much more complicated problem, "race" ignorance, not exclusively among Whites. By the time everyone (People of color in attendance) finishes explaining/educating White on the history of Black American, Civil rights, etc. the intent of the meeting can be lost." (http://www.diversityinc.com/public/3639.cfm)

1 posted on 06/07/2008 7:04:31 PM PDT by flowerplough
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To: flowerplough

Looks like diversity simply means “shut your d*mned mouth cracker and do as you’re told!”


2 posted on 06/07/2008 7:10:53 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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To: flowerplough

Ask if diversity means “division”

Ask if Diversity means we segregate into our own groups.

Ask if Diversity means we can join in other ways of life.

Ask if diversity means we have to stay with our own.


3 posted on 06/07/2008 7:11:40 PM PDT by plangent
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To: flowerplough

So... my opinion is wrong. That’s inclusiveness if I ever saw it.


4 posted on 06/07/2008 7:11:50 PM PDT by figgers3036
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To: flowerplough

So the white guy has no opinion?

Nice diversity.


5 posted on 06/07/2008 7:11:55 PM PDT by JimBianchi11 (The 2A is the cornerstone of our free society. Those that don't openly support it, oppose it.)
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To: flowerplough

How can it possibly be “diverse” without 75% of the population (white, I mean; not white men).


6 posted on 06/07/2008 7:14:35 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: flowerplough

Diversity=Balkanization.


7 posted on 06/07/2008 7:16:22 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ The Obamao v Mad Jon, win the battle and lose the war..choice of evils be..)
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To: flowerplough
"By the time everyone (People of color in attendance) finishes explaining/educating White on the history of Black American, Civil rights, etc. the intent of the meeting can be lost."

Maybe the "black guys" need to stop assuming that "all whites are racist and should pay reparations to black guys". Some of "my" ancestors "were" guilty---but they're long dead, and the (Yankee) ones that owned slaves later fought in the Civil War to free slaves. And I'm sure the "black guys" would be surprised to hear it, but my SOUTHERN ancestors never owned any.

8 posted on 06/07/2008 7:16:53 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: flowerplough

Diveristy is racism.


9 posted on 06/07/2008 7:19:27 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: flowerplough
Diversity management is a disciplined business subject that, properly implemented, drives productivity, innovation, profitability and sustainability. It does not mean that people have an open license to sound off on their opinions.

Celebrating all the so-called wonderful attributes of diversity without free opinion, thought or speech.

Freaking fascists!

10 posted on 06/07/2008 7:21:03 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: flowerplough

The pendulum has swung.

When I was young, being white was an advantage, but the pendulum was just beginning to swing the other way. It picked up momentum, and when I was a young man, it seemed that equality was on the near horizon. Equality is ideal, and it’s what we should all strive to make happen.

I didn’t realize how widespread white guilt is in America. I also didn’t realize how racist the black race panderers could be. They have pushed the pendulum past center to the other side.

It is now a decided disadvantage to be a white male in America. A white male Christian? Forget about it. Anyone is free to offend me in any way. As for white males, even inadvertent slights to other groups can be costly.

I’m very sorry for what my sons will have to deal with, but the deck is stacked against them in the name of “equality”.


11 posted on 06/07/2008 7:23:47 PM PDT by brownsfan (Algore makes P.T. Barnum look like a piker.)
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To: flowerplough
Diversity management is a disciplined business subject that, properly implemented, drives productivity, innovation, profitability and sustainability.

Deeter: There, I am insane now.

12 posted on 06/07/2008 7:25:15 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: flowerplough

... too inclusive...

Including whites is “too inclusive”...does that means there is such a thing as “too much diversity” when it comes to the “black experience”?

...”the history” of Blacks in America is instead just one narrative that passes for group think on racial issues. Any exceptions that upset that narrative are just too much to accept in your view. Pretty lame.


13 posted on 06/07/2008 7:25:27 PM PDT by bioqubit
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To: brownsfan
What ever happened to the Great Melting Pot of American society?

Rherorical question.

14 posted on 06/07/2008 7:25:45 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: Wonder Warthog

How dare you offer your non-diverse opinion. Don’t you know that diversity is for everyone but you? /s


15 posted on 06/07/2008 7:26:07 PM PDT by Gothmog (I fight for Xev)
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To: flowerplough

B*llocks to diversity and the sham cottage industry that has grown up around it.

Show up, do your job and go home. End of.

We don’t care what color you are, what music you listen to, or what religion you practice.

If any of those three things constitute your “job” then you are a charlatan and anyone else paying money to rid themselves of the “sin” of meritocracy is wasting their cash.


16 posted on 06/07/2008 7:28:42 PM PDT by relictele (Web addicts anonymous meets here 24/7)
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To: flowerplough

“Diversity” is often code talk for “down with whitey.”

Like many people, I am tired of being expected to feel guilty. And even if I did buy into “white guilt” no amount of groveling would ever satisfy the hate filled people who demand this.


17 posted on 06/07/2008 7:29:57 PM PDT by Aglooka
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To: brownsfan
...the deck is stacked against them in the name of “equality”.

But it ain't "equality", is it?

18 posted on 06/07/2008 7:30:53 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: flowerplough
Brunette Redhead and Blondie. That's all the diversity I care for.
19 posted on 06/07/2008 7:34:35 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (")
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To: flowerplough
"As an African American male I am concerned about inclusive (in this case the "White Guys") until there is some clarification ( ground rules). People of color and particularly Blacks need to have a discussion about their personal, yet similar experience being Black. When ever I have been in meeting to discuss diversity, the majority "White Guys/Girls" tended to "water down" the subject, make it too inclusive i.e., reminding everyone that they/parents are from foreign countries, migrated to the US and worked hard (not for free obviously) to get to where they are today. The problem (my opinion) is that these remarks point to a much more complicated problem, "race" ignorance, not exclusively among Whites. By the time everyone (People of color in attendance) finishes explaining/educating White on the history of Black American, Civil rights, etc. the intent of the meeting can be lost." (http://www.diversityinc.com/public/3639.cfm)

I am guessing that by the tone of this irrational rambling that the author of this particular response sees the intent of these kinds of meetings as being a way to show whitey how they have oppressed and continue to oppress blacks.

I see stuff like this from black people far too often yet whenever you hear talks about racism it is always in the form of a lecture to white people. The race baiters do have one thing right though, this IS a racist country. Only the racism and bigotry much more often than not comes from blacks who expect and demand special treatment because of what happened to their ancestors a over a century ago. Race relations will never be that great until one particular race, or the many races in this country, finally stops playing the victim at every turn.

20 posted on 06/07/2008 7:35:27 PM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: Wonder Warthog

I had 2 great great grandfathers fight during the Civil War. One was seriously wounded at the battle of Pleasant Hill, LA. Another gr gr uncle was killed at Gettysburg. Paying the ultimate price.

None of my relatives owned slaves....but one of my first relatives to come to these shores was an indentured servant...taken prisoner in Scotland and brought over here. There were many indentured servants brought to America, should their descendants sue for reparations from England and Scotland ? Or from our own government for allowing such practices to exist?


21 posted on 06/07/2008 7:36:02 PM PDT by leenie312
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To: HoosierHawk

“Rherorical question.”

You know what’s really sad? I had completely forgotten that I was raised with that as the ideal for America, until you mentioned it.

I was going to go on... but the negativity won’t help, so I’ll just say I’m very pessimistic about America’s future.


22 posted on 06/07/2008 7:36:32 PM PDT by brownsfan (Algore makes P.T. Barnum look like a piker.)
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To: okie01

“But it ain’t “equality”, is it?”

That’s why the quotes. The race baiters and self hating white libs think it is. Actually, they know it’s not equality, but they enjoy the payback.


23 posted on 06/07/2008 7:38:41 PM PDT by brownsfan (Algore makes P.T. Barnum look like a piker.)
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To: flowerplough
What do liberals mean when they talk about diversity? Is it the ability of different types of people to see beyond what makes them different and work together in a productive way?

Hell no. This is what the liberals mean by "diversity":


24 posted on 06/07/2008 7:40:36 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (ANWR would look great in pumps.)
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To: flowerplough

Diversity, in corporate America, is just a way to hire incompetent people.
The reason is the to keep the race hustling poverty pimps (Jesse Jackson and his ilk) from coming after the companies.

Good people of any skin color do not need stupid “diversity” programs.


25 posted on 06/07/2008 7:45:06 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: relictele
"Show up, do your job and go home. End of.
We don’t care what color you are, what music you listen to, or what religion you practice.
If any of those three things constitute your “job” then you are a charlatan and anyone else paying money to rid themselves of the “sin” of meritocracy is wasting their cash."

10-4 bump

26 posted on 06/07/2008 7:45:29 PM PDT by Dust in the Wind (Fund A Red Meat Eatery Regularly)
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To: brownsfan
I had a black guy try to explain to me when I was in college (early 70’s) that the pendulum had swinged so for to the whites in this country that it needed to swing way to the black side before it comes to a stop in the middle. I told him there was a big problem with his theory. A pendulum always swings back the other way.
27 posted on 06/07/2008 7:47:21 PM PDT by kempo (c)
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To: brownsfan
The race baiters and self hating white libs think it is.

It may not exactly be "equality" but, my goodness, it's fair!

And isn't that what we really want for everybody? Fairness?

As defined by...who?

28 posted on 06/07/2008 7:47:30 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

“People of color in attendance) finishes explaining/educating White on the history of Black American”

Translation: after we explain why something that happened to our ancestors 400 years ago makes us totally incapable of being educated, working, competing or even learning standard English and why it’s your responsibility (White) to make amends for this 400 year old injustice, even though the only commonality you share with the perpetrators is your skin tone. And we still don’t think you really get it.


29 posted on 06/07/2008 7:49:31 PM PDT by Spok (Liberty lives only in proportion to wholesome restraint.)
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To: kempo

“I told him there was a big problem with his theory. A pendulum always swings back the other way.”

I agree. I feel my own disgust and impatience with multiculturalism and diversity as it’s practiced in America today. I am not a young man, if I were, I’m fairly certain this would translate to rage.

Here is the problem. Power is being transferred on the basis of skin color only. Ability is barely even a consideration. What happens when you allow the incompetent, and incapable run things? Worse yet, you get people in positions of power that are more concerned with making whitey pay, then getting the job done.

This swing of the pendulum is going to break things in a significant way. And when it swings back, it won’t be pretty.


30 posted on 06/07/2008 7:54:18 PM PDT by brownsfan (Algore makes P.T. Barnum look like a piker.)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

Diversity is the sham altar before which the Disciples of Divisiveness genuflect.


31 posted on 06/07/2008 7:55:24 PM PDT by Elsiejay (Rev.)
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To: padre35
Diversity=Balkanization.

I was gonna say "Balkans got diversity; fat lot of good it does them".

32 posted on 06/07/2008 7:57:43 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: flowerplough
Any time I start thinking the world isn't chalk-full of retards and morons, I go to diversityinc.com.

That fixes it.

33 posted on 06/07/2008 7:59:12 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: flowerplough

Al Queda from without. P.C. from within. Which is the greater threat?


34 posted on 06/07/2008 8:00:20 PM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813
Al Queda from without. P.C. from within. Which is the greater threat?

The MSM.

Because, without the media, al-Queda would've been defeated long ago and P.C. would've been dismissed for the silliness that it is.

35 posted on 06/07/2008 8:02:36 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: SlowBoat407
Image hosted by Photobucket.com yeah... to them, diversity looks like the bar scene in the first StarWars movie
36 posted on 06/07/2008 8:06:48 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©® - CTHULHU/SHOGGOTH '08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: leenie312

Bump


37 posted on 06/07/2008 8:07:36 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: brownsfan
Power is being transferred on the basis of skin color only. Ability is barely even a consideration. What happens when you allow the incompetent, and incapable run things?

What happens when you allow the incompetent, and incapable run things?
What happens?
Kwame's Detroit happens. "Chocolate City" Nagin's New Orleans happens. Marion Barry's D.C. happens. David Dinkins' New York happens.
38 posted on 06/07/2008 8:09:14 PM PDT by flowerplough ("this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs for the jobless")
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To: brownsfan
What happens when you allow the incompetent, and incapable run things? Worse yet, you get people in positions of power that are more concerned with making whitey pay, then getting the job done.

Zimbabwe is what happens.

39 posted on 06/07/2008 8:11:23 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: flowerplough

40 posted on 06/07/2008 8:13:54 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: flowerplough

Ask if diversity means divide and conquer and distract so that the powers that be (no color line)can implement their agendas preferably without our interference and sometimes knowledge.


41 posted on 06/07/2008 8:20:23 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: flowerplough

I just sent this message to them:

I have NO IDEA what it is you are trying to say, but underneath it all is a level of ignorance and plain stupidity that is abysmal. After well over 20 years service in the Marine Corps, I can assure you from long experience that your “advice” is pure, unadulterated drivel. We, as a nation, need to emphasize our COMMON HERITAGE AND TRAITS. Your brand of “diversity” is nothing less than the Balkanization of this country and the attendant racial warfare it will necessarily entail.

And you actually demand to get PAID for typing this sort of stupidity? My best suggestion to you would be to go forth and get a life of your own and stop being a parasite on the rest of us. I just cannot believe that you actually had the nerve to say things like this. You’re as bad as the Race Pimps, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.


42 posted on 06/07/2008 8:22:15 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: freekitty

In other words, control the masses no matter what color they are.


43 posted on 06/07/2008 8:22:43 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Lancey Howard
See...!

That's what was wrong with America.

/S

44 posted on 06/07/2008 8:23:30 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: flowerplough

“By the time everyone (People of color in attendance) finishes explaining/educating White on the history of Black American, Civil rights, etc. the intent of the meeting can be lost.”

Educating White? Good to know that whites have no perspective or valuble input. After you “educate” us then what?


45 posted on 06/07/2008 8:23:50 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: freekitty

“Divide and conquer” is exactly what they are doing. Nicely stated.

JoMa


46 posted on 06/07/2008 8:29:52 PM PDT by joma89
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To: brownsfan

I once made the mistake of joking with a coworker that the only way a middle aged, white, and male could become protected by diversity was to become gay.
He soon transitioned to “transgendered”.
(s)he later argued about diversity and protection of minorities with a black female.
“You don’t know what it is like to have society against you. How can you understand discrimination? Or being a minority?”
“If you look around, there are a whole lot more people who look like you than who look like me.”
Trangendered, still employed. Black female, no longer.


47 posted on 06/07/2008 8:31:20 PM PDT by tbw2 ("Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" by Tamara Wilhite - on amazon.com)
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To: flowerplough
This reminds me of the "team building" workshops of the early '90s. A number of people saide they would resign (and sue) before attending another attrocity like that.

I always wished I had walked out before the end of the 1st day. I think I would do so for one of these sessions.

48 posted on 06/07/2008 8:33:03 PM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Even on the moon, they’re racist.


49 posted on 06/07/2008 8:33:03 PM PDT by Squeako (Bipartisan: Because you can't destroy America all by yourself.)
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To: flowerplough

Anyone else notice that PC only covers minorities and women?


50 posted on 06/07/2008 8:34:57 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President!)
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