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Clintonite rage could burn Democratic hope
The Denver Post ^ | June 8, 2008 | Susan Greene

Posted on 06/08/2008 12:41:18 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Sacha Millstone is nobody's sweetie.

The Democratic insider will stand up at August's national convention and cast her vote for the candidate who suspended her bid on Saturday. And then Millstone will quit the party with which she is falling bitterly out of line.

"This isn't sour grapes. This is about the best candidate losing the nomination because she's a woman. It's the most blatant example of sexism in our society. This is about the party breaking my trust, women's trust. And that can't be fixed," she says.

Millstone hails the day in 2007 when Hillary Clinton announced she was smart enough, qualified enough and tough enough to be president.

"I had never heard those words come out of a woman's mouth and neither had anyone else," says the 49-year-old Boulder investment adviser who has spent 16 months volunteering on Clinton's national finance committee.

She pounded the pavement for 20 days in Iowa. And she has raised more than $300,000 for the campaign.

The shattering of Millstone's party loyalty came with what she deemed an all-out assault on Clinton "because she's a woman."

She winced when one biographer referred to Clinton's "thick ankles." She grumbled when NPR's political analyst likened the senator to the scorned stalker in "Fatal Attraction." And she grew incensed when talking-head Tucker Carlson said the mere sight of Clinton makes him "involuntarily cross my legs."

Millstone blames Barack Obama and party leaders for not rallying to Clinton's defense. And she slams them for trying to nudge the former first lady out of the race:

"That never would have happened if she were a man."

The final blow came last weekend, when Millstone stood in the rain protesting outside the hotel where party brass passed rules that she says threw Clinton overboard.

"First let me say that I have never been this angry in my life," she wrote in a dispatch from D.C.

There is no arguing with Millstone about whether Clinton was the most viable Democrat. She is unwavering that sexism cost her the race. Gender is the prism through which she views all things political. Any woman who doesn't, she says, is "deaf and blind."

History no doubt will have much to say about the attacks — both sexist and racist — that besmirched the 2008 primary race. And the party will spend years soul-searching about the jumbled rules by which it picks its nominees. Time will tell how many Clintonites ultimately flee the party.

Which brings me to Millstone's peculiar brand of identity politics and a group of feminists in the John Irving novel "The World According to Garp." In solidarity with Ellen James, a young girl whose tongue was cut off in a brutal rape, the so-called "Ellen Jamesians" cut out their tongues in symbolic protest.

Call me deaf and blind, as Millstone did more than once during our interview. But there is nothing at all feminist about quitting the party, refusing to vote Obama and threatening to back John McCain or any other candidate who opposes the values that drew devotees to Clinton in the first place.

Rather, it is the kind of hollow, self-defeating political overreaction that invokes the very stereotypes that cause women like Millstone to rise up in outrage.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; democrat; democrats; election; elections; gender; hillary; liberalagenda; liberals; liberalvalues; mccain; obama; sexism; womanpresident
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Again, thank you, Rush...
1 posted on 06/08/2008 12:41:19 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Susan, you’re either a racist or a sexist; please pick one or the other and kindly move on…


2 posted on 06/08/2008 12:53:09 AM PDT by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Millstone stood in the rain protesting outside the hotel ... "I have never been this angry in my life," she wrote in a dispatch from D.C.

Wonder if Obama will get the angry, soggy feminazi vote.

4 posted on 06/08/2008 1:15:15 AM PDT by TimSkalaBim
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sacha Millstone is nobody's sweetie.

She's Obama's sweetie. She just does not realize it yet. When November rolls around she will go to the voting booth and pull the lever for Obama. It's all she knows - she can do no different.

Five months is forever in politics.

5 posted on 06/08/2008 1:19:30 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hey Sacha.....we KNOW you'll vote for Obama even though your party is SEXIST....you are a SLAVE to IDENTITY POLITICS and you'll do as the party elders tell you to do.

(p.s. Thank Rush for trying to save the little woman.)

6 posted on 06/08/2008 1:59:59 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Millstone - as in around Americas neck.

Sexism is equal to racism when it interferes with the brain's decision to make good choices.

Sweetheart I support you quitting the Democrat party and hope you take all the other 18,000,000 airheads who supposedly cracked the glass ceiling for the Hildabeast.

The Clinton's are pure sympathy hogs.

7 posted on 06/08/2008 2:11:27 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. ABORTION-The ultimate form of Liberal Child Abuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"That never would have happened if she were a man."

Sorry Sacha, but Hillary is a man, at least more of a man than most Democrat 'men'.
It all boiled down to a race issue, something you Dems love to stir up. So sorry.
8 posted on 06/08/2008 2:15:21 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (Delphi for me.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Maybe, maybe not. I have made it my personal task to sample, from friends and family, who are far flung across these United States, the general feelings of the women regarding these primaries. Because I am from NJ, most of my friends and virtually all the wives (also friends) are Democrat, although not what you would call tinfoil hat types. There is an overwhelming dislike of Hussein among these people whether because they believe Hillary was denied the nomination through sexism (I don’t think that had anything to do with it) or because they simply do not trust or want a black man with a Muslim name who has NO experience, in the WH.

One of the most commonly expressed thoughts is “Who the hell IS this guy? I never heard of him before last year”, or words to this effect. Also if the libs believe the Reverend Wright et al thing has gone away, they are badly mistaken because a very large % of those I spoke to mentioned this along with his being a bit to slick sounding when he speaks.

I fully understandf this information is based on purely anecdotal evidence but it involves perhaps 50-60 individuals and I have seen much the same being said from other folks in different areas.


9 posted on 06/08/2008 3:03:48 AM PDT by lexusppd
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Millstone?

You decide.

10 posted on 06/08/2008 3:15:55 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: lexusppd
I am finding the exact same sentiment amongst the moonbat family and friends I have talked to about this subject, too.
More of my Dem family and friends have already firmly decided not to vote for Obama than not. Their minds are already made up, and it's only June.
11 posted on 06/08/2008 3:15:58 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: ArchAngel1983

Susan, you’re either a racist or a sexist; please pick one or the other and kindly move on…

the true theme of the lib/dems.....think and vote their way or your are a racist/sexist.....

this election ~ there will be hordes of racist/sexist republicans according to the lib/dems and the msm!!!


12 posted on 06/08/2008 3:18:05 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: Ann Archy
I wonder if this works as well?

"Hey Conservatives.....we KNOW you'll vote for McCain even though your party is the GOP....you are a SLAVE to IDENTITY POLITICS and you'll do as the party elders tell you to do."

The lady sounds as fed up as a number of conservatives here on Free Republic (self included) do about the GOP.

Personally I think it would be great if all Americans would end the death grip both political parties have on our process.

13 posted on 06/08/2008 3:26:31 AM PDT by ImpBill (Hi, My name is Greg and I am a recovering "R"epublican! And I have recovered into a "r"epublican.)
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To: lexusppd
simply do not trust or want a black man with a Muslim name who has NO experience, in the WH.

A majority of RATS are not the moonbat type. They are "normal" people who do understand how INSANE it is putting a nobody with zero experience in as leader of the greatest nation on the face of the earth, especially during these trying times.

14 posted on 06/08/2008 3:29:44 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Millstone hails the day in 2007 when Hillary Clinton announced she was smart enough, qualified enough and tough enough to be president.

Maybe Hillary can do the "smart enough skit" next time she is on SNL..

15 posted on 06/08/2008 3:34:43 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: ImpBill

Can’t speak for dems, don’t consider them sane on any level.

However, while we are at war and our heroes are in danger we cannot indulge ourselves by withholding our vote and risking an obambi CinC.

From the very first attack on our troops in Lebanon till this moment, our signs of weakness have wrought hell on earth and we cannot allow the evil to gain in strength.


16 posted on 06/08/2008 3:54:58 AM PDT by Carley
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To: Paladin2
Whoa - I've seen better looking heads on boils!

Eh... what's that?

I thought it said "You de-ride."

Nevermind!

17 posted on 06/08/2008 4:01:24 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: ComputerGuy
"Sorry Sacha, but Hillary is a man, at least more of a man than most Democrat 'men'. It all boiled down to a race issue, something you Dems love to stir up. So sorry."

Nice try ComputerGuy, but the Socialist party DID nominate a woman ... welllll ... a black metro man is just about, ain't it?

No wonder Sacha is insensed ... she thought her woman would have a vagina.

18 posted on 06/08/2008 4:02:10 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Carley
Welcome to FreeRepublic.

Your views are equally as valid as anyone's on this forum. Keep in mind, as a suggestion, that this is a "conservative" forum and not necessarily a Republican Party forum. That is just a suggestion that will hopefully keep you from getting into some of the many "flame wars" that seem to permeate the forum these days.

Personally I don't diminish the right of any citizen to cast their votes as they see fit, nor do I attempt to change minds.

I am not as concerned as many, extolling the virtues of voting for the "lessor of two evils argument, of an Obama Presidency. The Executive Branch is only one of three equal branches.

What I am, just FYI, is very tired of the death grip the two corrupt major political parties have on our process.

I am also an old (relatively speaking) and very tired ex-stalwart of the GOP. No longer. I have finally taken George Washington's warnings about allegiances to political parties (in his farewell address to the Republic) to heart and will vote for the individual that comes the closest to representing my "Constitutionally Conservative" beliefs.

John McCain doesn't fit that profile, unfortunately.

Again, I take no issue with you nor your planned vote. It is the only capital any of us have in our political process.

19 posted on 06/08/2008 4:07:44 AM PDT by ImpBill (Hi, My name is Greg and I am a recovering "R"epublican! And I have recovered into a "r"epublican.)
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To: ishabibble; lexusppd
I'm having the same conversation with democrats I know. They are saying no to Obama, including my 87 year old Roosevelt democrat mother.
20 posted on 06/08/2008 4:12:36 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (We are going to get McCain or Obama, no ifs ands or buts. I know who I'll vote for.)
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To: knarf
a black metro man is just about, ain't it?

Okay I am really Confused..... I thought John edwards was white......When did he have a race change?

21 posted on 06/08/2008 4:17:43 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rather, it is the kind of hollow, self-defeating political overreaction that invokes the very stereotypes that cause women like Millstone to rise up in outrage.

This writer says, shut up and take it! Party Loyalty is the most important. I was watching Neil Cavouto lay into a woman stating she didn't trust Obama, and he was treating her with total condescension. I didn't know he was a party loyalist before..

22 posted on 06/08/2008 4:27:23 AM PDT by dalight
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks for posting this.
This represents the whole attitude of the “Spoiled Generation” who is used to always getting their way. Whether it be from mommy and daddy or through entitlement programs.

Be forwarned, if/when Obama doesn’t win the Presidency there will be outrage based soley upon the fact that he’s black. Nothing will be said about him being less qualified.

Rodney King type riots WILL happen, nationwide!
Mark my words.


23 posted on 06/08/2008 4:29:45 AM PDT by Delmarksman (Pro 2A Anglican American (Ford and Chevy kill more people than guns do, lets ban them))
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To: Paladin2

What a terrible waste of red hair.


24 posted on 06/08/2008 4:35:29 AM PDT by libs_kma (The land of the free, because of the brave)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And tell that old broad that while she is standing there to bring us a beer..........and shut up.


25 posted on 06/08/2008 4:41:32 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: Carley

Thanks, Carley.


26 posted on 06/08/2008 4:44:12 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: verga
"Okay I am really Confused..... I thought John edwards was white......When did he have a race change?"

Come to think of it ... I've never seen Obama/Edwards together .. have you ?
Further ... No one has reported seeing Edwards at all in the last few months.

Ohhhh ... this is gettin' good, folks.

27 posted on 06/08/2008 4:44:14 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Spread the word - obama hates white women and wants them in front of the oven baking chocolate cookies.


28 posted on 06/08/2008 4:44:15 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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To: ArchAngel1983

You’re a victim, you’re all victims. Now go vote for McCain.


29 posted on 06/08/2008 4:44:23 AM PDT by romanesq
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To: Delmarksman
You wrote: "Be forwarned, if/when Obama doesn’t win the Presidency there will be outrage based soley upon the fact that he’s black. Nothing will be said about him being less qualified."

You are absolutely correct. The Hussein campaign is based purely on emotion. No record. No policy. Just hope and change. Oh, and historical inevitability of the first "black" president, even though he is more white than black. It is doomed to failure of McGovern/Mondale proportions, and then there will be hell to pay. Think Detroit 1967 spread nationwide.

30 posted on 06/08/2008 4:51:09 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Clintoninte? the term is CLINTONISTA.


31 posted on 06/08/2008 4:55:25 AM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And we had dozens of these kinds of stories when McCain won the nomination. He’s managed to pull most of the support back to him. I don’t think the Democrats will have much trouble doing the same.


32 posted on 06/08/2008 4:58:36 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sexism? Just because we won't vote for Mrs. Clinton? I'd throw the leaver for Ann Coulter in a flash.

On the other hand, maybe the author is on to something. Mrs. Clinton epitomizes the worst woman in the world, i.e. a powerful woman who thinks she's a victim (just like Michelle Obama), she's vindictive, she's tell any lie to win, she's illogical and inconsistent, she's prone to emotional out bursts. So, there may be a bit of truth, the electorate doesn't want a stereotypical angry feminist. If that's sexism, so be it.

33 posted on 06/08/2008 4:58:41 AM PDT by CoconutRancher
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"That never would have happened if she were a man."

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34 posted on 06/08/2008 4:58:52 AM PDT by Jackknife ( "The Bureau of Alcohol,Tobacco, and Firearms should be a department store, not a gov't agency.")
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35 posted on 06/08/2008 5:06:07 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (ANWR would look great in pumps.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why don’t these people lay the blame at the feet of whom deserves it - Bill Clinton. If Hillary had freed herself from him as soon as she was elected Senator of NY, I think this whole thing would have played out very differently. Bill brought her down at critical points in her campaign.


36 posted on 06/08/2008 5:07:14 AM PDT by randita
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is about the best candidate losing the nomination because she's a woman.

She lost the nomination because Obama's a slicker, more charismatic liar than Hillary. It's not because of his genitalia or his "Y" chromosomes. Everybody who plays the "race and gender" game knows that blacks, male and female, are lower on the socioeconomic scale than white women (see what I learned from Sociology?).

Millstone hails the day in 2007 when Hillary Clinton announced she was smart enough, qualified enough and tough enough to be president.

Another day, another Hillary lie.

she grew incensed when talking-head Tucker Carlson said the mere sight of Clinton makes him "involuntarily cross my legs."

Hey, me, too. And I also feel like checking and re-checking the condition of my guns and ammunition.

37 posted on 06/08/2008 5:10:05 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (I have Zero Tolerance for Zero Tolerance policies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"This isn't sour grapes. This is about the best candidate losing the nomination because she's a woman.

No sweety, she lost because Obama is black (kinda). She was out victim-ed.

38 posted on 06/08/2008 5:20:06 AM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: HumanRemainz
These ladies seem pretty intent on carrying through.
39 posted on 06/08/2008 5:22:07 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
She winced when one biographer referred to Clinton's "thick ankles."

Facts are hard things, very tough to argue with head on.

40 posted on 06/08/2008 5:25:42 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Carley

Couldn’t agree with you more.... unfortunately, the Repubs haven’t done much better in the 25 years since 1983. The Israelis tried to tell us how best to deal with the islamofascists - swiftly and firmly. We didn’t listen. Now even the Israelis have forgotten, apparently. I didn’t want to believe it, but now it’s looking more and more like all our pandering and wussified responses have been about oil. How sad, and sadder still that we conservatives allowed ourselves to get sucked into this particular vacuum.


41 posted on 06/08/2008 5:25:58 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As a woman, I am SO tired of hearing this. It had nothing to do with her being a woman, it has to do with her being evil.
Find a Margaret Thatcher here and she could be voted in. These woman are nuts and sexist.
What is worse racist or sexist?
I love this, 4-8 years ago it was all the evil Rep’s fault. They can’t blame it on us.
I think it is also Clinton fatigue and fear. Once the press saw she was not a shoe in, they were free to really speak their mind in 16 years.
People were afraid to oppose them, seeing what happens to people who oppose them. That fear is now gone. AMEN


42 posted on 06/08/2008 5:26:43 AM PDT by surelyclintonsbaddream (MISSOURI TIGERS #4 or # 5 we don't mind which!!!)
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To: AmericaUnited

They ARE moon bats, by your very definition.


43 posted on 06/08/2008 5:27:34 AM PDT by lexusppd
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To: Hardastarboard
she grew incensed when talking-head Tucker Carlson said the mere sight of Clinton makes him "involuntarily cross my legs."

LOL! That is funny right there, I don't care who you are!

44 posted on 06/08/2008 5:31:53 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Yes, Chef!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So I guess she’ll vote McCain? This is who McCain wants as a voter, I wonder who she’ll vote for downticket?

Straight D likely.


45 posted on 06/08/2008 5:36:37 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: rabidralph

I envision a “spurnedwomen4mccain” website appearing in the near future...


46 posted on 06/08/2008 5:36:52 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only the Marxist Obama can!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...when Millstone stood in the rain protesting outside the hotel...

Someone left a flake out in the rain...

47 posted on 06/08/2008 5:58:05 AM PDT by FDNYRHEROES (Always bring a liberal to a gunfight)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This isn't sour grapes. This is about the best candidate losing the nomination because she's a woman. It's the most blatant example of sexism in our society. This is about the party breaking my trust, women's trust. And that can't be fixed," she says.

This is an interesting quote. I'm guessing this woman is someone who, at the time, went ovaries to the wall defending Bill Clinton, the rapist. Yet now she sees her party as hypocritical. There's a good short story in there somewhere. I hope she's enjoying her epiphany and pray she does little of her own introspection.
48 posted on 06/08/2008 5:59:14 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
Thanks, 2ndDivisionVet. You also posted a similar thread yesterday. This is getting good!!

Hillary's supporters to Obama: ''Continued scorn will not get my vote''

49 posted on 06/08/2008 6:05:41 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Typical white person, bitter, religious, gun owner, who will "Just say No to BO in Nov.")
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To: HumanRemainz

A vote for Mccain is a vote for Hillary, ladies!! John supports women’s rights and married a strong smart woman.


50 posted on 06/08/2008 6:17:10 AM PDT by omega4179
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