Posted on 06/08/2008 2:54:37 AM PDT by SolidWood
Alright FReepers, this is my first quasi-vanity, in the sense that I don't post an article by another source, but wrote myself on Dr. Todenhöfer, a shining example of elitist, academic and political Dhimmitude and Anti-Americanism in Germany.
If you think the American MSM is biased, if not downright sympathetic towards the Jihadi enemy, and if you think that Michael Moore is a propagandist slob, you haven't met Jürgen Todenhöfer. Sure the German media outlets, such as the "Spiegel" and "Stern" have an infamous history of BDS and anti-Americanism, but Dr. Todenhöfer trumps that.
Dr. Jürgen Todenhöfer (67) is an executive at one of the largest European publishers ("Hubert Burda Media"). Before that he was a member of the German parliament for 18 years and spokesman for the CDU/CSU (Christian "Conservative" party) on development and arms control.
2003 and now again Herr Todenhöfer has written two books named "Who cries for Abdul and Tanya" (a tearjerker bashing eeeevil Americans), and now "Why do you kill, Zaid?", which is a jaw-dropping defense of Jihad as legitimate defense against eeevil Judeo-Christian Imperialism.
His books are bestsellers in Germany and he has making rounds in all major German late-night TV discussions where he is revered as a major expert. Most disgusting I was hinted by a friend in Germany today that he appeared on N24 (Germany's major News-Channel) on a Sunday-morning talk-show named "God's will-Ethic questions" a show where religious and ethic questions are discussed, hosted by a monk (!). There the dhimmi-monk was sucking up the vitriol Todenhöfer spewed, when for instance he blamed the Holocaust on Christianity to defend Islamic Jihadism as harmless.
On his Website Todenhöfer offers us his asinine "Ten theses on the War on Terror":
1. The West is much more violent than the Muslim world. Millions of Arab civilians have been killed since colonialism began.
2. Faced with the warmongering of the West, it is really not surprising that support for Muslim extremists continues to grow.
3. Terrorists in Islamic disguise are murderers. The same holds true for the ringleaders disguised as Christians who wage wars of aggression in contravention of international law.
4. Muslims were and are at least as tolerant as Jews and Christians. They have made a major contribution to Western civilization.
5. Love of God and love of one's neighbor are the central commandments not only in the Bible but also in the Qur'an.
6. Western policies towards the Muslim world suffer from a shocking ignorance of even the simplest facts.
7. The West must treat the Muslim world just as fairly as it treats Israel. Muslims are worth as much as Jews and Christians.
8. The Muslims must champion a progressive and tolerant Islam, as did their prophet Muhammad. They must strip terrorism of its religious mask.
9. Nothing fosters terrorism more than the West's "war on terror". Muslim countries must resolve their problems with radical Islamism themselves.
10. What is needed now is the art of statesmanship, not the art of war - in the Iran conflict, the Iraq conflict and the Palestine conflict.
Not enough, the German press (well partially owned by himself) left and right is praising Todenhöfer as a truthteller... Even the largest "conservative" German newspaper, the FAZ (Frankfurt) is labelling distractors of Todenhöfer as "islam-hating Internet-junkies with too much time".
Of course the American leftist media has been sucking up to his hate-mongering as well... his website features links to the "Democratic Underground" and "DailyKos"... and he bought 3 pages of the "New York Times" for an attack ad on American Imperialism and Colonialism
Todenhöfers's three pages of the NYT.
Yes, this is what passes as "expertise", "honest journalism" and to many also as "conservative" in Germany. Ugh.
Youtube features dozens of his interviews on German and English-language TV.
For an honest (German) look on Anti-Americanism in German media, I recommend "Davids Medienkritik" (David's media criticism) http://medienkritik.typepad.com/ . They feature in German and English.
Does Israel know about this? If they do, I am sure everything that has been done to her is all just a misunderstanding of this fine sentiment. Here is a present for Jurgen, this is from a Pali children's TV show, state sponsored. It puts to shame all of his lofty tenets.
Wow, how bad we are!
Where are the Jewish and Christian civilizations blowin up and bulldozing ancient religious sites like the Muslims are doing aroundt the world on the basis that they offend "Allah"?
And this isn't "terrorism" this is under the guise of government.
He’ll also have to show this “tolerance” in muslim supremacist countries that do not permit the practice of any faith other than Islam and that have the death penalty for kufir who violate this law and for muslims who dare convert away from Islam.
In what sense? Again there are "intolerance" muslim nations.
When a government calls the United States the Great Satan and urges our destruction (as they also do against Israel), they have declared war on Americans.
When did Israel ever declare war on us?
Secondly, he is of course a controversial figure in the CDU, quote himself: "I'm unable to assimilate in important questions. You don't get far in a party with that. If you ask Helmut Kohl if I've ever been a politician, he'll have a laughing fit." (quoted from a FAZ interview).
Finally, I'd be grateful to see the FAZ sources celebrating him and denigrating his opponents, because the review of his book "Warum tötest du, Faiz?" I found there describes it as deliberately one-sided and often uncritical of the interviewed arabs.
I don’t agree with Todenhöfer, but that’s just a knee jerk reflex. What do you expect, obedience out of gratitude?
Between the best Germans who left for America, and the second-best who were slaughtered in two world wars, what's left is a bunch of Beta "Jawohl Johanns". If he were from America, he'd be the crazy guy who calls local talk shows spouting off about how the Bilderbergers have fluoridated the water. Unfortunately, considering what's left in Germany, this is what passes for manhood.
Before any of you German freepers flame me, I know from experience the only Germans I've ever met had French accents and had names like "Matthias".
After telling us how evil Western civilization is, ie the West is much more violent than Islam, they turn around and then take credit for the accomplishments of Western civilization. Hmmmm, perhaps Islam's contribution to Western civilization is violence?
In any case, all the media in Europe and here is doing is totally discrediting themselves. People's daily experiences with Muslim immigration consists of crime, degradation of their language and culture, aggressive demands of a minority combined with the weakness and dhimmitude of the elite of society.
In the US, this shows up more as the issue of illegal immigration of tens of millions of Mexicans. The elite tells us that these illegals are essentially better than Americans, they do the jobs Americans won't do, they have lower crime rates, they have family values. See, no problema. In Europe, it shows up as the issue of Muslim immigration with the same denial of reality, the same condesencion, the same attacks of bigotry and racism, if you don't go along with the program of self-destruction.
Todenhofer is just one example. The Todenhofers of Europe and Lindsey Grahams of America are going to be in for a rude awakening, when the people have had enough.
South Africa had a wave of violence against illegal immigrants. Canary in the mine?
David’s Medienkritik may be one sided, but it’s the only (there might be some minor other) counterbalance to the Anti-American hate spewed by the German MSM.
Regarding the FAZ, read here:
http://www.faz.net/s/RubC17179D529AB4E2BBEDB095D7C41F468/Doc~EE33DF9AC26684351B19C9AD40529A5D4~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html
"Many of you have in your veins German and Italian blood. But remember that these ancestors of yours so loved freedom that they gave up home and country to cross the ocean in search of liberty. The ancestors of the people we shall kill lacked the courage to make such a sacrifice and remained slaves."
I’m reminded of the League of German Jews, the tiny pro-Nazi organization of Jews that lasted until they were all sent to concentration camps.
That’s strange, because searching for Todenhöfer in the FAZ I found this one:
What I don’t like about DM is that a lot of their articles supposedly uncovering Antiamericanism are as constructed as you might suppose it on some a bit more extreme left wing paper. When I looked last, they for example commented on some SPIEGEL cover story about the rise of the Euro, saying that while a story such as this would not normally count as Antiamericanism, one would have to see it in the context of the SPIEGEL being Antiamerican. That’s just not very professional, but rather polemic. And that’s not the first time I’ve seen a rather questionable article on DM. Some of their work definitely has a point, especially the earlier stuff. The picture of some Union magazine showing the US industry as blood sucking insects is clearly Antiamericanism. But all in all, I just find DM to be rather manipulative in filling their front page and catering to their main audience.
Well, I agree with the first part of what you said. But Todenhöfer obviously is an opponent of the Iraq war, so some values are not shared. Contributing to the discussion is a center point of western civilisation and the Democracy you reinstalled in Germany and that’s what he did. If the empathy wasn’t there, he would probably not bother at all. I don’t really enjoy defending him, but I just don’t see how the comparison of a single man with left wing views and opposed to the war who wrote a book to Goebbels can be remotely fair.
Mind if I ask where your from.
What I wanted to point out was that Todenhöfer is a controversial figure in Germany and that the FAZ also wrote a rather critical review of his book. So it's business as usual. You also have this kind of persons in the USA and you wouldn't doubt their commitment to Democracy, because after all that is what enables them to be critical of Government decisions in the first place. And if I take Democracy serious I can not expect them to shut up, I can just expect to shut them up, or at least make them look like the manipulative assholes they are.
Got ya. Thanks.
You Americans are funny people. The most funny thing to me is your naive expectance of being loved all around this planet. You defeated Germany in WWII and most Germans arranged themselves well with their occupiers. It was in your very own well understood self interest to use the capacity of our relatively powerful country for your own military and economic interests. Therefore the US assisted the creation of a limited representative democracy that had some basic restrictions in its freedom. Nevertheless it was not bad and for sure the best what we Germans could get after the lost war and the disaster we left on the European continent.
...BUT... despite all the chewing gums we never forgot what the US forces in our country really were: Friendly occupiers.
During the 50ties the Russians made Konrad Adenauer, who was German Chancellor back then, the offer to reunite Germany and to turn it into a neutral country like Austria. This was what practically all Germans dreamt of in that time (I estimate 95% +). Guess what - Adenauer, who was a straight ally of America, not even answered. You see, we paid our price. :)
WWII is over since 63 years and the occupation found its end after the cold war 18 years ago. It is quite logical that Germany defines its own interests and its own policy. Most of us see things different than your current Administration and we have some good reasons for it. Iraq is not our party and practically nobody in Germany wants to be involved. It does not matter if we speak about the political right or the left. Nevertheless we are still friendly enough to provide you huge military bases and our airspace for your operations in the ME, although most of us are not convinced about the sense of your wars there. We even provide a few thousand men since 6 or 7 years and bazillions of financial help in Afghanistan since we had understanding for your difficult situation after 9/11.
Is this anti-Americanism?
The US lost 3000 women and men in 9/11 but killed probably a few hundred thousands civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan
Civillian casualties of the Iraq war
Civillian casualties of the war in Afghanistan.
Okay. A war has to be won. Those who have some understanding for this thesis are Germans, since we lost our last wars. Nevertheless we have a word you anglophones lack in your vocabulary. It is called "Güterabwägung" and means the evaluation of the higher (more valuable) legal interest. Is it justified to kill 20, 30, 40, 50 or 60 civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan for one civilian that died in 9/11? Have 30 little Iraqi girls the worth of one American girl? This are the questions that rocked Germans and Germany in the discussions whether we should support your efforts in the ME or not. Personally I am well aware that it is far better to have a Iraq that is controlled by the US than a Iraq that would have stayed under the rule of Saddam Hussein. The elimination of this dictator was for sure a good thing. Nevertheless you should understand that we Germans had reason to think controversial about your involvement and ... ... about our own.
I know Jürgen Todenhöfer personally from his work in the CDU during the 80ties and I have to say that he is a straight-lined idealist with a lack of realism. At that time he was extremely conservative for European/German circumstances. The thing is that he, like most other Germans, does not share the American conservative thesis that Islam has to be wiped out.
You see - American denazification after WWII was quite successful. Today we Germans think twice before we erase a whole religion.
:)
Regards from good old Germany.
A.B.
The people who left for America were the underdogs in that time. Others, who were already in the settled and wealthy social stratum stayed in Europe. That means that most of the "best" people stayed on the old continent since they already verified their assertiveness against those who were forced to leave. I am really sorry to destroy a myth that seems to be so fundamental to the self assurance of some Americans.
Between the best Germans who left for America, and the second-best who were slaughtered in two world wars, what's left is a bunch of Beta "Jawohl Johanns". If he were from America, he'd be the crazy guy who calls local talk shows spouting off about how the Bilderbergers have fluoridated the water. Unfortunately, considering what's left in Germany, this is what passes for manhood.
Love it or hate it - if we look on the issue from a Darwinistic point of view, those wars cleaned the male European gene-pool from those who were not able to survive such a situation like war. There are many reasons for it: Some were too aggressive, some were not careful enough, some were too dumb, some followed their orders to the last etc. etc. etc.. War is a perfect selection. I am aware that not all reasons for not dying in a war are that honourful, but they are for sure a good way not to win the "Darwin Award"*. You probably will concede that survival is not nessecarily a privilege of outstanding aggressive soldiers. Those who survive are usually (we do not speak about individual cases) more intelligent and more able compared to their fallen comrades (I know that this is not PC - but it is the plain truth). And guess what: Those Europeans who survived war, the Holocaust, Gestapo, Russian imprisonment, the foreign Legion, NKWD, KGB, SS, the economic wonder and Elvis Presley are my fathers. The by far best genetic material you can find.
This simply does not happen in Germany.
No, the ones that left Germany in the 18th and 19th Century were the Germans who didn't feel like being ordered around by a bunch of inbreds whose only reason they had any status was by accident of birth. The ones too weak, cowardly, etc. were the ones who stayed.
Love it or hate it - if we look on the issue from a Darwinistic point of view, those wars cleaned the male European gene-pool from those who were not able to survive such a situation like war. There are many reasons for it: Some were too aggressive, some were not careful enough, some were too dumb, some followed their orders to the last etc. etc. etc.. War is a perfect selection. I am aware that not all reasons for not dying in a war are that honourful, but they are for sure a good way not to win the "Darwin Award"*. You probably will concede that survival is not nessecarily a privilege of outstanding aggressive soldiers. Those who survive are usually (we do not speak about individual cases) more intelligent and more able compared to their fallen comrades (I know that this is not PC - but it is the plain truth). And guess what: Those Europeans who survived war, the Holocaust, Gestapo, Russian imprisonment, the foreign Legion, NKWD, KGB, SS, the economic wonder and Elvis Presley are my fathers. The by far best genetic material you can find.
No, survival in modern war is often a matter of luck. Between Napoleonic tactics being used to attack machine guns, gassings, mass bombings and artillery bombardments, survival in modern war required more luck than anything. The courageous, brave, fanatical, patriotic, were more likely to die for Germany, especially the last year of the war. The ones who survived knew to keep their heads down, and surrender to the first American soldier who came along (who was usually a superior German-American raised in freedom). No, Germans today are much better at techno-dancing than living good, moral lives.
"NOW WE MUST DANCE".
So how does he explain "the best and the brightest" getting their asses kicked (twice) in world wars they started by this bunch of losers?
It's amazing to me that you can talk about Americans being naive, and submit that accepting such an offer from the Russians would have gotten you what they were promising.
Touche'
Of course we have thought a few more times than twice before going after these guys.
I cannot repeat it but there are literally dozens of incidents leading up to the USA striking back against the Middle East.
I'm going to have to dsiagree with you on that one.
Germany has been through a LOT of wars. And lost almost all of them with the exception of the unification wars that resulted in the Kaiser's Germany.
Literally most warlike Germans are either
A) In America (underdogs that knew they could not win and left)
OR
B) In a soldier's grave
The unintentional and ugly process of weeding the warlike Germans out of Germany has been practically Darwinian.
The thing is that we Germans have learned something out of our bloody history. Our lack on enthusiasm for (your) wars is associated with the general insight that offensive wars are something that simply does not pay out. I served in our military, the Bundeswehr, when I was a young man and I can assure you that we (my comrades and myself) were absolutely willing to defend our country and ready to die for the safety of our own people (or even the safety of your people) if it would have been necessary. Nevertheless no one of us would have been keen on dying for Halliburton in Iraq i.e.. This is simply not our party and we will for sure not help you with it since we did and still do not see any safety relevance for us.
You see - the German creative power simply switched into more successful fields - away from offensive warfare. This has for sure nothing to do with the "elimination" of "gung ho" Germans as said by some imbeciles in this discussion here. To rebuild the comparatively small Germany after WWII to its contemporary status would have been impossible with unable people. Our German products are among the most sophisticated and competitive on this planet and we export far more than America* i.e.. Since you Americans are among our best customers you give us the best argument for this thesis. :)
* Exports in 2007:
As for his killing Americans, he was only doing his job, fighting for his country, and trying to stay alive. My dad fought in Vietnam, and he actually admired and respected the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese more than he did the South vietnamese...but he still killed a whole busheful of them for the same reasons your grandpa did....plus he got P.O.ed that they were trying to kill him, and he thinks himself as a pretty nice guy.
BTW, my father is 1/2 German (His grandma's maiden name was Scholl, one of his grandpa's originally named Koenig, though it was anglicized to King).
One of the things I'm grateful for is that America generally holds no animosity towards former enemies. Unlike the Brits and Frogs after WW I and the Russkies after WW II, America believes in helping vanquished nations rebuild. We have short memories, which is bad for some things but is good for others. That's why Germany and the U.S. have been good friends for over 60 years now, as well as Japan. Heck, we're even getting friendlier with Vietnam.
So, we trade a few friendly insults, but in the end our two nations are friends.
Look around this forum, most of us don't give a rip about what the world, especially Europeans, think of us. We merely ridicule and attack their subservience to Islam and "Anti-Americanism at all costs" even if it goes contrary to your own self-interest. Furthermore it's you Germans/Europeans who try to woo "sympathy" from the strangest corners.
During the 50ties the Russians made Konrad Adenauer, who was German Chancellor back then, the offer to reunite Germany and to turn it into a neutral country like Austria. This was what practically all Germans dreamt of in that time (I estimate 95% +). Guess what - Adenauer, who was a straight ally of America, not even answered. You see, we paid our price.
You sure put a lot of trust into Ol' Stalin. (Never mind... President Roosevelt did so as well) The Stalin Notes were rightly recognized by the West and Adenauer as a ruse to keep Germany out of the Western alliance to eventually make it Communist altogether. Is this what most Germans dreamed of? Probably, if we take into account that the Communist Party in Germany is on the rise. Germans by large are socialists in heart. Sometime "National" sometime "International". Infact, socialist ideas are what pervades Germany's history of the last 130 years.
Nevertheless we are still friendly enough to provide you huge military bases and our airspace for your operations in the ME
Oh thanks for your "friendliness"... Sheesh... when we threatened to pull out our bases and relocate them to Italy or some pro-American Eastern European nation, the Germans in the areas cried and whined that they will lose their jobs.
I say it's way overdue we put our bases into Poland .
although most of us are not convinced about the sense of your wars there.
That's too bad. Ignorance is epidemic in Europe and unfortunately also here in the USA where half the people would elect the enemy into office. So you aren't alone.
We even provide a few thousand men since 6 or 7 years and bazillions of financial help in Afghanistan since we had understanding for your difficult situation after 9/11.
Please tell me you are joking... because that's what the German mission in Afghanistan is. A friggin joke. You sit around in beer tents, do some tiny-winy civilian rebuilding jobs, let everybody else do the heavy lifting and whine like babies when something remotely combat-related rears it's head on the horizon. It would make more sense for you to send some firemen... they can do the same job. The "Bundeswehr" in Afghanistan is irrelevant.
The US lost 3000 women and men in 9/11 but killed probably a few hundred thousands civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan
Trying to quote the Lancet report?
It is called "Güterabwägung" and means the evaluation of the higher (more valuable) legal interest. Is it justified to kill 20, 30, 40, 50 or 60 civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan for one civilian that died in 9/11? Have 30 little Iraqi girls the worth of one American girl?
You need to brush up your vocabulary... it's called "proportionality" (a favorite word in the State Department when bashing Israel). I wonder where Germany's famous "Güterabwägung" was in WW1 and WW2? You mean proportional like shooting 1000 Civilians for each killed "Landser"? Where was your "Güterabwägung" in Auschwitz? Keep your lectures. If the Allies had been proportional to you in WW2 there would have been more than one Dresden.
We are over in the Middle East saving little Iraqi and Afghan girls from being killed by either ruthless tyrants or blood-thirsty terrorists, which most Europeans are busy appeasing to. Ask them your question, because despite your anti-American fantasies it's not official US policy to exterminate little girls. Judging from history that's more Germany's approach to fighting.
I know Jürgen Todenhöfer personally from his work in the CDU during the 80ties and I have to say that he is a straight-lined idealist with a lack of realism. At that time he was extremely conservative for European/German circumstances. The thing is that he, like most other Germans, does not share the American conservative thesis that Islam has to be wiped out.
That's not a conservative thesis and if Todenhöfer is a conservative in Germany, it's just more proof how ridiculously deranged German politics are.
You see - American denazification after WWII was quite successful
No it was a failure. You learned nothing and if anything, you learned the wrong lections. Dennis Prager had it right: Instead of learning that Evil has to be fought, the Germans learned that fighting is evil.
The people who left for America were the underdogs in that time. Others, who were already in the settled and wealthy social stratum stayed in Europe. That means that most of the "best" people stayed on the old continent since they already verified their assertiveness against those who were forced to leave. I am really sorry to destroy a myth that seems to be so fundamental to the self assurance of some Americans.
Just strange that so many of your Anti-Aristocrats and "1848er" Republicans crossed the Ocean to prosper, be innovative and productive people and enriching America, while the slave-souls that stayed in Germany were either suckers for Socialism or Kaiser-Authoritarianism and later for the "Führer" and again Socialism. Slaves of the State. That's probably the most accurate description for Germany's general mentality since 1870.
Love it or hate it - if we look on the issue from a Darwinistic point of view, those wars cleaned the male European gene-pool from those who were not able to survive such a situation like war. There are many reasons for it: Some were too aggressive, some were not careful enough, some were too dumb, some followed their orders to the last etc. etc. etc.. War is a perfect selection. I am aware that not all reasons for not dying in a war are that honourful, but they are for sure a good way not to win the "Darwin Award"*. You probably will concede that survival is not nessecarily a privilege of outstanding aggressive soldiers. Those who survive are usually (we do not speak about individual cases) more intelligent and more able compared to their fallen comrades (I know that this is not PC - but it is the plain truth). And guess what: Those Europeans who survived war, the Holocaust, Gestapo, Russian imprisonment, the foreign Legion, NKWD, KGB, SS, the economic wonder and Elvis Presley are my fathers. The by far best genetic material you can find.
I see, you folks are still into this Darwinistic breeding thing... Guess more thing stayed the same than I thougt. But you have it wrong anyway (leaving out fact that your asinine theory is bordering on a plain insult to the victims of the various European tyrannies).
No, the victims of Gestapo, SS, NKVD and KGB etc. were those who stood up for their cause, the resisters, the proud and the intelligentsia. The Polish officers killed in Katyn by Soviet thugs were not stupid human waste as you would suggest. The Priests, Rabbis, Professors, Doctors and Teachers of Europe slaughtered by German Gestapo were not the "less intelligent" like you describe. Those complacent serfs who arranged themselves with the tyranny, the cowardly weasels who worked for Gestapo, KGB, Stasi, etc., the "KaPo's" and "Judenräte", the meek traitors and mute rats... they were those most likely to survive Totalitarianism. The brave and upright died first. The weasels sneaked through mroe easily... on all sides.
Davids Medienkritik is irrelevant political autoerotic.
You are self-complacenty swooning of your "higher breeding", your "superior" political culture and your "Yankee killing" Father... Autoeroticism describes your comments pretty well.
Criticism has nothing to do with anti-Americanism. Anti-Americanism would be if someone would say: "I hate him/her because he/she is American."
This simply does not happen in Germany.
The last sentence flies into the face of truth to an degree it doesn't even deserve a comment.
Nope. My own grandfather i.e. is responsible for a whole graveyard of young Americans. Nevertheless he managed to survive the war and getting quite wealthy after it.
Yeah, and you sound pretty proud of it too. *spit* It was no aggressive nazi act against innocent people anymore (like most of the German warfare in WWII)
Get a history book. You sound worse than Pat Buchanan.
Since I am also quite successful in the things I am doing this is indeed Darwinism at its best. BuHuHaHa! After all you have my deep compassion for only being the 2nd best.
"Stormfront" might be more to your liking than this place.
Nevertheless no one of us would have been keen on dying for Halliburton in Iraq
Then again "Democratic Underground or the "Daily Kos" might be even better for your.
But thank you. Thank you for your posts, which are showing all of us the ugly, pompous, arrogant and condescending face of Germany.
Finally let me repeat the quote from General George S. Patton(if he had made more German prisoners, you might have someone to tell you about him first hand):
"Many of you have in your veins German and Italian blood. But remember that these ancestors of yours so loved freedom that they gave up home and country to cross the ocean in search of liberty. The ancestors of the people we shall kill lacked the courage to make such a sacrifice and remained slaves."
(Yes that's Patton peeing into the Rhine... you know the river we crossed before you surrendered.)
Well said!
My father lived for 3 years in the US and Canada when he was a young man and came back for some family reasons (I am quite happy about that - since otherwise I would not have been sired.. ;) ). Nevertheless my aunt fell in love with a dentist in New York and so I have some very nice and smart family in America today. Therefore my dark comments about Darwinism were simply a unfriendly reaction on your statement about the "dried out German gene pool".
Personally I think that the genetic differences between the two sides of the big pond are marginal. Both in Europe and in America you will find good and bad people. A specific European problem is indeed a liability to socialism. Nevertheless this has historical and social reasons and is no genetic problem.
If it comes to the defense of our people our forces would not be different from yours. We Germans were simply in the pleasurable situation that war was not necessary since 1945. I would risk my life for the safeness of my people at any time, just as most of my compatriots would do.
Regards from Lake Constance, Germany
Andreas
:)
Do not get me wrong. I simply answered to this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2027827/posts?page=10#10
You know what? Everyone dies. Patton died in an accident. In Germany. So? What exactly is your point? That he is dead? That he is irrelevant to you is obvious. Kinda the way we feel about Germany in world politics or what you think of us.
This might be your problem. It is you that has to waste billions and bazillions because of terrorism. Not us. Just how naive are you? Islamism is a threat to Europe just as much as to us. They attacked two capitals already, and it's only a question of time 'til they hit Germany and France aswell. Not to speak of the creeping Islamization. You take pride in your inaction and passivity. In other words you have already surrendered. Just wait 2 decades and we'll see what Europe has come to.
Peace and prosperity need a basement of general understanding.
Understanding with Jihadists? There is no understanding with them, just as there was none with your government 1933-45. Understanding requires common goals and values. If you identify with them, show your colors.
I am sure that they will never tolerate a base like Ramstein on their soil. It would be idiotic since such would make them one of the primary targets for terrorists with WMDs.
So I guess that Germany is now a top terrorist target? Reckon that?
ABM-toys
To naive, deluded fools in Europe they are "toys". Of course, since the missile threat from Iran and Russia are just "Bush lies" and "CIA propaganda". The Germans of course are smarter and suck up to Putin who has you by the (energy) balls.
Have fun with the roaring nightlife and the sexy burkha-girls of Kabul and Kandahar.
Either this is just another failed German attempt at humor or your arguments have run out. Matter of fact I have a lot of fun with my Persian wife, so I guess the Afghani chicks can't be too bad.
BTW - you guys do indeed the "heavy lifting", but you doesn't seen to be that successful with it so far. Each day that God gives more Taliban or whatever you might call them leave their dirty huts and holes to fight against you. In the areas we Germans control we doesn't seem to have this problem. Is it possible that this is the case because we restrain ourselves when it comes to "heavy lifting" in civilian areas? Wars should be fought with intelligence.
Don't delude yourself. The area the Germans are "working" in, is a largely secure area. The North of Afghanistan had few Taliban beforehand. That's not an accomplishment by the Germans. The Taliban are trickling in from Pakistan and pop up in the South/East of Afghanistan. The Germans are simply far away from the front. In your ignorance you might have not noticed it, but the US is dwarfing any German/European humanitarian efforts. We are rebuilding/helping Iraq and Afghanistan on a monumental scale. We make the areas safe first, before they can be rebuilt. Instead of trolling you might read more articles at FR on Iraq/Afghanistan. You'll learn a thing or two the "Sueddeutsche", "Stern" or "Spiegel" won't tell you.
Nowadays you have occupied Baghdad since 5 years and still you need your heroic airforce to fight down a few camel drivers with AK47s since your heroic "spechial forces" are obviously either unable, unmotivated or too chicken-hearted to do a police job.
Take your arrogant Anti-Americanism elsewhere Kraut. You have no friggin clue about our Military and special Forces. If you think this is a place where you can insult our troops you are mistaken bucko. Don't get me started on the German "Spechial" forces who until 2003 had a Neo-Nazi as commander.
It is of course more convenient to use a bomber to throw 5 tons of hexogen into a residential area instead of facing a illegal combatant (or terrorist) man against man. Such is perfect heroism... The world is deeply impressed about your bravery.
It's called superior air-power, genius. That's the way we crapped down your country and Japan in WW2 until victory. Unlike the mass bombardments and firestorms, today we rely few precise strikes. Again your comment was poor in substance but rich in arrogance.
Therefore we try a different solution in Afghanistan - obviously with success.
Obvious to the blind. But I referred to Afghanistan already above.
Arguments baby - not just dumb platitudes.
Can I expect the same from you as well? I smell a case of projection. Nazism is over since more than 60 years and practically all old nazis are dust in the meantime. It is simply over.
Not if most Germans think the way you or Todenhöfer do,. The mindset lives on. And judging from the rise of the NPD in Eastern Germany, I guess it's not over. And it's also not over as long as aggressive Islamic Fascism wages war. Some decades have passed and Nazism has changed locations and shape, but look at the Iranian regime...
Evil has to be fought? Then you have to declare war to: Sudan, Egypt, Iraq (yes - the actual gouvernment), Afghanistan (yes - also the actual gouvernment), Iran, Burma, Syria, North Korea, Red China, the Russians, Belarus, Simbabwe, Venezuela, your friends in Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Aserbaidschan etc. etc. etc.. 2/3 of all governments are simply ugly and undemocratic systems. Therefore: Have fun in fighting down all evil nations on this planet.
Just shows that you still haven't learned anything. You are off point. Read the quote again and think a bit about it. BTW I'd advocate attacking/subverting half of the countries you mentioned.
Every time limited guys like you ran out of arguments you come with your boring nazi BS.
Truth hurts huh? I responded to comments you made which can't be understood as anything but nazistic in spirit. I am for sure no nazi
I do not know you, but can only judge from your comments here which give the impression of someone who would have been classified as the perfect "Mitlaeufer".
To my knowlege Patton was fascinated by nazism and the SS.
Which shows that you have no knowledge at all. Patton was recognizing the threat of Soviet communism and played with the thought of using former Waffen-SS units (who admittedly were also ferocious fighters) to push back the Russians. Churchill did the same. The re-armament of Germany in the 1950's, which saw a return of many former Wehrmacht and SS officers was somewhat of a vindication of the idea.
The other instance was when Patton was in charge of the occupation in Bavaria. He admitted that he needs former Nazi party members to get the infrastructure running. This is the same case as in Iraq today, where we need former Baath members for running a power station. It's called realism.
Beside that Patton had old school racial ideas (superiority of the white man) which were common and prevalent in all of the Western world at that time. Nothing which makes him a "nazi friend". He gutted out the Nazi armies he encountered and was repulsed at the sight of concentration camp victims to the point he had to vomit.
I'm not surprised you trusted Joe Stalin's promise to unify Germany. I'm sure for you Adenauer was an American stooge unwilling to trust the honorable Joe Stalin.
If you really feel so occupied, send the US soldiers home. We'll leave Germany just as we left the Philippians, Panama, and France to name just a few.
Back seat drivers have lot’s of advice, and in hindsight, they typically can also give many better alternatives.
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