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Me without my hijab
la times ^ | June 8, 2008 | Zainab Mineeia

Posted on 06/08/2008 10:59:18 AM PDT by rocksblues

When I came to this country, I took off my hijab. It wasn't an easy decision. I worried at night that God would punish me for it. That's what I had been taught would happen, and it filled me with fear.

I was 27, coming from my home country of Iraq to study in California. I hoped that by taking off the hijab I had been wearing for eight years, I would be able to maintain a low profile. In Baghdad, you keep a low profile to stay alive. But in the United States, I merely wanted not to be judged.

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But even as the hijab kept me safe, it became a burden for many others. After the fall of Saddam Hussein, there was a dramatic increase in the number of women wearing the hijab. Since then, as religious groups have gained more power, it has become dangerous to be spotted without one -- so much so that even Christian women now wear the hijab when they go out. To me, that signified that something was wrong with my country.

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At the same time, I was disappointed. We shouldn't have to hide the fact that we're Muslims in order to be treated like everyone else. In some ways, it's as bad to feel pressure to take off the hijab in the United States as it is to be pressured to keep it on in Baghdad. It's sad that people here do not always accept you for who you are.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: burka; burkha; burqa; dresscodes; headscarfbully; hijab; iraq; islam; islamiclaw; islamictyranny; muslimhypocrisy; niqab; religionofpeace; rop
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So it's OK that she wore the hijab in Iraq to protect herself but it's sad that people look funny at her in America.
1 posted on 06/08/2008 10:59:20 AM PDT by rocksblues
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To: rocksblues

>>So it’s OK that she wore the hijab in Iraq to protect herself but it’s sad that people look funny at her in America.<<

Simple solution - go back to Iraq. Next question and “Don’t get stuck on stupid”.


2 posted on 06/08/2008 11:01:45 AM PDT by NTHockey
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To: rocksblues

Be honest — how many of you clicked on this thread to see if there was a picture posted of an un-hijabed Iranian hottie? :-)


3 posted on 06/08/2008 11:01:52 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: rocksblues
If she's that thin-skinned about * to wear or not to wear * the hijab then it's best that she return to her home country.

Because when in the United States wear what the women wear... assimilate !!!

cut offs and a tee here...

4 posted on 06/08/2008 11:03:47 AM PDT by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: rocksblues

During WWII Americans might have looked at you funny if you walked around wearing a swastika.

Like it or not, the hijab is strongly supported by those who are trying to kill us, as she herself implies. Wearing it implies support for them.


5 posted on 06/08/2008 11:10:28 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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To: rocksblues

During WWII Americans might have looked at you funny if you walked around wearing a swastika.

Like it or not, the hijab is strongly supported by those who are trying to kill us, as she herself implies. Wearing it implies support for them.


6 posted on 06/08/2008 11:11:08 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Me!


7 posted on 06/08/2008 11:12:22 AM PDT by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Absolitely NO. I am tired of whiners coming to the USA. Send her back to Iraq. Why is she bitching? Deport her.


8 posted on 06/08/2008 11:15:03 AM PDT by Lumper20
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To: rocksblues
Related Thread:

Students Test Public Reactions To Hijab Scarves

 

9 posted on 06/08/2008 11:15:11 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: rocksblues

Return to your homeland, Fatima, and take as many muslims with you as you possibly can.


10 posted on 06/08/2008 11:17:52 AM PDT by CWWren (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress....but I repeat myself.)
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To: rocksblues
"We wear it because we are told that it would be a sin not to cover ourselves -- and because we need to be without sin in order to get close to God. Women, we're told, are a source of enticement to men, and we need to be covered so that men won't desire us."

Proof positive that these people don't believe God had the slightest idea what the hell He was doing when He created the universe.

There's a Zarathustrian fable - of dubious origin - that states it well:

Next the knowing fox, taking up the speech said, What superiority in arts doth man possess? The wise Jewânshîr answered. The superiorly of man consisteth in the good dress, and agreeable food and drink which they formerly had, and at the present time in their covering their obscene parts. The wise fox said, In former times your clothes were of wool, and hair, and skins of animals, and still are so. And your sweetest food is from the vomit of the bee ; And animals do not require any covering for their natural parts ; for all that God requires to be covered, is covered ; And, if it be not, God hath not directed it.

11 posted on 06/08/2008 11:21:47 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car.........with guns.)
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To: rocksblues

She needs to:

1. Wear whatever she wants.

2. Obey laws about masks in public and drivers license pictures and not try change them for her.

3. Leave the rest of us alone.


12 posted on 06/08/2008 11:30:08 AM PDT by JLS
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To: rocksblues

If she really wants to wear her hijab, she should go back to Iraq. Nobody’s stopping her.


13 posted on 06/08/2008 11:32:08 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Sherman Logan
During WWII Americans might have looked at you funny if you walked around wearing a swastika.

Post of the day!

14 posted on 06/08/2008 11:32:47 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: rocksblues
Zainab Mineeia, Fulbright scholar, Missouri School of Journalism and Iraqi journalist ( worked as a translator and reporter for The Times in Iraq)
16 posted on 06/08/2008 11:32:49 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: rocksblues

To many Americans, it is a symbol of religious and sexist oppression.

She herself recognizes the problem in these tyrannical Islamic run nations.

She may not support their tyranny but she is still holding to their restrictive dress code that was even put upon non-muslims.

Could she drive a car in Iran or Iraq? Has she taken on any Western roles that she was prohibited from engaging back home?

Why pick and choose such codes to follow?


17 posted on 06/08/2008 11:34:09 AM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: JLS

Should she be allowed to enter a bank or a convenience store, places that are frequently robbed at gun point, with her face completely covered?


18 posted on 06/08/2008 11:37:49 AM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: rocksblues
It's sad that people here do not always accept you for who you are.

Hey babe, wear or don't wear the damn thing.

Quit your whining.

19 posted on 06/08/2008 11:39:51 AM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: Sherman Logan

David Horowitz put out a petition to 100 muslim student organizations to sign if they would denounce big Mo’s call for violent jihad against infidels (Declaration against Genocide).

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/petitions/140/declaration-against-genocide/

He got no takers.

Wonder why people look at muslims with suspicion?


20 posted on 06/08/2008 11:40:36 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
Be honest — how many of you clicked on this thread to see if there was a picture posted of an un-hijabed Iranian hottie? :-)

I gotta admit. Perhaps the most beautiful woman I've seen was from Iran. Alas, she was married to a friend of mine.

22 posted on 06/08/2008 11:45:25 AM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Sherman Logan
"Don't lump us all together..."


23 posted on 06/08/2008 11:48:12 AM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: rocksblues
In some ways, it's as bad to feel pressure to take off the hijab in the United States as it is to be pressured to keep it on in Baghdad.

That's horsepoop. Some women get killed in Iraq for not wearing the veil. I seriously doubt she runs the risk of getting killed in America for wearing it.

24 posted on 06/08/2008 11:51:50 AM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Proof positive that these people don't believe God had the slightest idea what the hell He was doing when He created the universe.

Uhhhh ... Christians and Jews kind of think clothes are important in public. And I'm pretty sure God did have the slightest idea (actually more) when He created the universe. In fact, He did a better job at it than anybody ever has.

25 posted on 06/08/2008 11:54:41 AM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: rocksblues

Now that I’ve reflected on her essay, I think she feels oppressed because American women don’t wear the veil. She’ll only really feel comfortable when all of the women around her wear it. There’s a solution to that - move back to Iraq.


26 posted on 06/08/2008 11:55:29 AM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: gitmo

You missed the point......entirely.


27 posted on 06/08/2008 11:57:15 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car.........with guns.)
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To: rocksblues
No woman in a free country should wear that degrading clothing.

As free people, of course Americans look at her funny.

29 posted on 06/08/2008 12:08:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: rocksblues
We shouldn't have to hide the fact that we're Muslims in order to be treated like everyone else...It's sad that people here do not always accept you for who you are.

Sorry, but you are NOT like everyone else. Your so-called religion wants everyone else converted, enslaved or dead. Even if you speak out against violent radical Islamics, you are saddled with the taquiyah problem. It is your duty to lie for the advancement of Islam, so nothing you say can be believed if you profess to be a true Muslim.

That is who you are, and you should expect to be treated as such.

30 posted on 06/08/2008 12:09:46 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
Be honest — how many of you clicked on this thread to see if there was a picture posted of an un-hijabed Iranian hottie? :-)

*Raises hand*


31 posted on 06/08/2008 12:13:49 PM PDT by primeval patriot
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To: Morgana

I’ve got news for you friend, those are not hijabs.


33 posted on 06/08/2008 12:20:06 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: rocksblues

“Me and my hijab, walkin’ down the a-ve-nue...”


34 posted on 06/08/2008 12:21:55 PM PDT by quark
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To: Morgana
For some reason that makes me think of the Beatles (I'm turning into an old coot)

"She's not a girl who misses much
She's well acquainted with the touch of the velvet hand

38 posted on 06/08/2008 12:44:04 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: rocksblues
After some months, though, she moved to Massachusetts. One day, she called me, and we talked again about her hijab. This time she talked about the discomfort and sometimes even hostility that people seemed to feel when they met her and saw how she was dressed. "They try to hide it, but it's obvious," she said. She said that although real estate agents were positive over the phone, no one would rent her an apartment once they saw her in person. She explained that a woman from the student housing office had had the audacity to explain to her the way toilets are flushed, "As if my hijab was an anti-intelligence sign," she said. "I spent two days crying."

It seems to me that racism is at its worst in the "enlightened" blue states.

39 posted on 06/08/2008 12:48:31 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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Should she be allowed to enter a bank or a convenience store, places that are frequently robbed at gun point, with her face completely covered?

1. As I said in my first response she should obey the laws about wearing masks in public.

2. Banks and convenience stores are privately owned so they should determine if they allow entry by people wearing masks. [FDIC, ie the government, might choose not to insure deposits at bank that allow masked people to enter.]
40 posted on 06/08/2008 12:48:50 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Zhang Fei

I think that this women is right that a lot of people judge others for being Muslim... but I think that people would judge them less if they saw more Muslims take public stands against other Muslims who believe in radical ideologies outside the “peaceful” teachings of their religion.


41 posted on 06/08/2008 12:58:47 PM PDT by Former
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To: Morgana

Ah, a friend who traveled to Holland also encountered one of those ‘hole’ toilets there, as have friends who’ve been to Greece, Russia and France! They were a little stunned at first.


42 posted on 06/08/2008 1:01:13 PM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: Morgana

The sisters have been out of the habit for years.


43 posted on 06/08/2008 1:04:32 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: melsec; NewJerseyJoe; gitmo; primeval patriot

You guys have good taste.


44 posted on 06/08/2008 1:15:11 PM PDT by StilettoRaksha
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To: primeval patriot

Is that a fashion show for jihadis?


45 posted on 06/08/2008 1:36:40 PM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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To: Sherman Logan

Agree. When I see a woman wearing a hijab, I see an enemy.


46 posted on 06/08/2008 1:38:07 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: Enchante
Is that a fashion show for jihadis?

I should have provided a caption and link.

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Iranian models display Iran's traditional and Islamic clothes during the "Women From My Homeland" fashion festival in Tehran, 08 July 2007. The 10-day international festival including Islamic fashion shows and exhibitions started last week in Tehran.

47 posted on 06/08/2008 1:47:49 PM PDT by primeval patriot
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To: StolarStorm

I don’t, at present, see an enemy. But I do see someone who is making no effort to differentiate herself from those who want to kill me.

Understandably, I believe, this makes me unwilling to assume that she is on my side until proven otherwise.


48 posted on 06/08/2008 1:49:47 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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To: Zhang Fei
Some women get killed in Iraq for not wearing the veil. I seriously doubt she runs the risk of getting killed in America for wearing it.

You are right. In America, if you wear a hijab, you might get a few funny looks, but people will leave you alone. In some Muslim countires, if you don't wear one, you might get killed. How can she compare the risk of getting stared at with the risk of death?

49 posted on 06/08/2008 2:04:54 PM PDT by bluegirl
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To: StolarStorm
When I see a woman wearing a hijab, I see an enemy.

You said it.

50 posted on 06/08/2008 2:12:15 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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