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38% rise in Indian students going to the US
The Times of India ^ | 9 June, 2008 | Daniel P George & Hemali Chhapia

Posted on 06/08/2008 3:40:57 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick

America continues to grow in stature as the most-favoured destination for Indian students with the last seven months showing a 38% increase in the number of candidates going there.

What's more, Chennai seems to be one of the largest exporters in the country.

Sample this: 38,274 student visas were issued from across the country in fiscal year 2006-07 (October 2006 to September 2007), of which the Chennai consulate gave out 19,973.

Correspondingly, between October 2007 and April 2008, 50,316 student visas were issued from across the country, of which the Chennai consulate alone accounted for 24,975.

With a rising middle class in India able to afford American university programmes and schools actively recruiting them, Indians have become the largest group of international students in the US.

Experts point that the increase in the flow of Indian students could also be reasoned to America now accepting the three-year bachelor degree programme as a valid one for entry to their graduate schools.

Earlier, the US accepted students in its graduate schools only after they completed 16 years of formal education (12+4). Indian students were required to study one year of post-graduation before they could take any entrance test to American universities. The change in rule was targeted towards opening the doors of higher studies in American varsities to a massive Indian pool of BA, BCom, BSc degree holders.

According to the data released in November 2007, the international student population in the US rose from 5.64 lakh in 2005-'06 to 5.83 lakh in 2006-'07. And for the sixth year in a row, Indian students accounted for the largest chunk.

Following a 5% drop last year, the flow of Indian students to the US has gone up by 10% in this academic season.

According to a recent survey that monitors student flow, the population of Indian students in the US went up by 10% from 76,503 in 2005-'06 to 83,833 in 2006-'07; the number has doubled in the last decade.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: academia; aliens; college; foreignstudents; highereducation; immigrantlist; india; university; us

1 posted on 06/08/2008 3:40:57 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick
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To: CarrotAndStick

yep, these guys and chinese nationals will be hard at work making sure our nuclear power plants run safely without fear of sabotage or terrorist attack


2 posted on 06/08/2008 3:56:12 PM PDT by rightwinggoth
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To: CarrotAndStick

And they are all majoring in engineering, lol. I walk around our engineering building at school these days and half the faces I see are Indian.


4 posted on 06/08/2008 4:01:05 PM PDT by a_chronic_whiner (Failure is not an option)
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To: a_chronic_whiner

That’s because they’re not afraid of mathematics and hard science. We used to teach those in high school also, once upon a time.


5 posted on 06/08/2008 4:03:05 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: CarrotAndStick

bttt


6 posted on 06/08/2008 4:04:07 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: CarrotAndStick
America now accepting the three-year bachelor degree programme as a valid one for entry to their graduate schools.

Interesting. Are American colleges that strapped for cash? I know tuition for foreign students are astronomically high.

7 posted on 06/08/2008 4:04:07 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: rightwinggoth

Um, what the heck do you mean by that?


8 posted on 06/08/2008 4:05:12 PM PDT by billybudd
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To: 1rudeboy
We used to teach those in high school also, once upon a time.

..but today we teach them about the perils of global warming, and conflict resolution and loss of polar bear habitat..

9 posted on 06/08/2008 4:06:23 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: CarrotAndStick

The Indians are good at growing maze, they also are good at making fishing nets


10 posted on 06/08/2008 4:07:34 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: libh8er

Most take long-term loans from Indian banks, and pay back when they get high-paying jobs in America, or India, after they graduate.


11 posted on 06/08/2008 4:12:03 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

We send all of our good paying jobs to India, causing millions of Americans to be out of work. Since Indians can now afford to send their kids to American universities their numbers are increasing very fast. All because they make enough money with those American jobs to be able to afford our universities. Since Americans lost their jobs to India, they can’t afford to send their kids to our universities. Seems like a fair trade, doesn’t it? Ain’t globalism grand? < /sarcasm >


12 posted on 06/08/2008 4:15:03 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (If you need help, ask God. If you don't, thank God!)
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To: 1rudeboy
That’s because they’re not afraid of mathematics and hard science. We used to teach those in high school also, once upon a time.

Please stuff it with your put downs of Americans. Americans are going into fields that are profitable for them, that is called being smart, not being intellectually lazy.

13 posted on 06/08/2008 4:27:14 PM PDT by apt4truth
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To: apt4truth

And what fields would those be? Please specify whether we are talking about college or grad school graduates. And stuff it with your hyper-sensitivity.


14 posted on 06/08/2008 4:36:37 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: NRA2BFree
Since Americans lost their jobs to India, they can’t afford to send their kids to our universities.

Funding isn't the reason. The reason is that American students do not want to take science and engineering majors.

Even the white and Hispanic students who'd been in sophomore year Linear Circuits, Physics, and Linear Algebra were gone when junior year rolled around and we started Data Structures, Compiler Construction and other CE courses. They'd all headed for the Econ department or something else. There was exactly one white girl left in any of my junior year computer courses, maybe 6 white guys, no blacks, no Hispanics. The rest were Indians and Asians - some first and second gen Americans, some immigrants, most of them very good. Courses graded on the curve were tough.
15 posted on 06/08/2008 4:37:16 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: apt4truth; 1rudeboy

Stuff this. 1Rudeboy is correct. Males in India are encouraged to take the hard sciences, they know that’s how to improve India, make their parents proud, and make good dough. For the most part,they are intelligent, down to earth people who have an excellent cuisine. They abhore slackers and slackerism. They add wealth to whatever nation they call home.


16 posted on 06/08/2008 4:45:39 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: muleskinner
I've researched this subject up, down, and sideways for years. I do not tolerate excuses made for the utter failure of our high-school system.

We used to laugh that our engineering students couldn't read or write . . . and that was ok, because they had the discipline to hit the books and look at equations. Now, our readers and writers can't read or write. Wake up, people.

17 posted on 06/08/2008 4:57:50 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

not only that, but the media’s portrayal of smart people as objects of derision make most kids NOT WANT to study. Think of such things as Erckle etc.


18 posted on 06/09/2008 1:00:54 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: apt4truth; 1rudeboy
Please stuff it with your put downs of Americans. Americans are going into fields that are profitable for them, that is called being smart, not being intellectually lazy.

No, that's not what he meant -- American schools are dumbed down now, that is the problem. There are plenty of smart American students, but they succeed either because they are privately schooled or home schooled.
19 posted on 06/09/2008 1:06:48 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Here we have one American of Indian descent who has been an over achiever all his life.

He may be our hope for the future of this Country.

20 posted on 06/09/2008 1:58:51 AM PDT by BBell
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To: BBell
Well, Central New Jersey has the highest concentration of Indians in the United States (especially the Route 1 corridor from Colonia through Princeton). You don't see any living off the government teat, nor do you see their children getting drunk on the weekends and caring more about "football" than their studies.
21 posted on 06/09/2008 2:00:58 AM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: rightwinggoth
yep, these guys and chinese nationals will be hard at work making sure our nuclear power plants run safely without fear of sabotage or terrorist attack

India, the larget democracy in the world, is on our side in the war against Islamic extremists. During the cold war they were aligned with the Soviets while we nuked up Pakistan, but those days are over.

22 posted on 06/09/2008 2:12:11 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: BBell

That little guy on the left looks like he has potential, too!


23 posted on 06/09/2008 2:13:56 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: Clemenza
Just always remember. Bobby Jindal is an American first. He has always been forward about this. He loves this Country and the opportunity's it provides. He is no whiney hyphenated American.
24 posted on 06/09/2008 2:29:22 AM PDT by BBell
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To: Clemenza
FWIW Clemenza, my child made it into the specialized HS program in NYC, an all honors, engineering program. Most of the freshman class at orientation was white. The breakout from largest to smallest demographics was: White (Vanilla American), White Russian, Chinese, Korean, Indian, others (Black, Hispanic, etc.).
25 posted on 06/09/2008 2:55:56 AM PDT by Woodman ("One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." PW)
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To: Woodman

More curry scent in Super 8 lobbies.


26 posted on 06/09/2008 2:59:30 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789

I don’t know many students who stay at Super 8’s.


27 posted on 06/09/2008 4:34:23 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

“I don’t know many students who stay at Super 8’s.”

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Wait ‘till they get all their relatives over.


28 posted on 06/09/2008 6:03:39 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789

Can’t do that on a student visa. Nice try.


29 posted on 06/09/2008 6:04:53 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

The relatives will begin to manage the Super 8s


30 posted on 06/09/2008 6:06:08 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789

Oh, so they’ll come in on Investor visas? Great. We need more.


31 posted on 06/09/2008 6:07:24 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: muleskinner
Males in India are encouraged to take the hard sciences, they know that’s how to improve India, make their parents proud, and make good dough

And why should males, or females, in the U.S. be encouraged to take hard science, since those jobs are going overseas to improve India?

32 posted on 06/09/2008 6:11:17 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: 1rudeboy
In 1992 I was aware of a Chinese student who was using student visas not only for himself, but also to get his girlfriend out of China, where they intended to meet up, “marry,” and remain in the States permanently.

When having our passports renewed in Hong Kong, I mentioned this to a consular official. He smiled at me and stated that the State Department already calculates the percentage of Asians (and others) using student visas in an attempt to permanently remain in the States, and to also get family members to the States, and the percentage is quite high, and “often they do manage to get away with it.”

33 posted on 06/09/2008 6:13:42 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
Here let me help you: you cannot use your student visa to "get" someone else into the United States. If they separately get another student visa, and you (or both you and the other) overstay your student visas, that is an entirely different issue.

In other words, your comment about the Super 8's with regard to this article? Just BS.

34 posted on 06/09/2008 6:29:00 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Or if he or she gets a tourist visa . . . which is probably what you observed. A Chinese student here legally on his student visa, with a girlfriend trying to get another student visa (or tourist visa to come visit), with the plan of both overstaying and becoming illegal aliens.


35 posted on 06/09/2008 6:32:55 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
You are correct that they can NOT use the student visa or its processes to apply to have any one else enter the States. But VERY MANY do use the student visas to get there themselves with the intention of NEVER going home, and they often are able to manipulate the system once in the States, and then they work on getting others to join them. Sorry I didn't leave a long open parenthesis in one of my sentences. It happens. It is admitted by consular staff at embassies abroad who interview applicants.

They have a tough interview process to try to cull this out, but it often does not work. I have sat with consular officials in Manila about this very thing. I was asked to come in one time when they were investigating men who were using “religious worker” visas (another fiasco), and had these difficulties explained to me by consular staff.

No, they can't use the student visa to get a single soul in to the USA. But many have long range deceitful intentions of which the student visa, or religious worker visa, or other visas are used as a first step.

The Super 8 comment was a reference to the dozens of motels we stay in (as we must do a whole lot of traveling when in the States), and you can tell (in a general category) who is managing the motel from the spice scent that grabs one when approaching the registration desk. And it is not meant to be derogatory, actually, just a matter of fact.

36 posted on 06/09/2008 6:46:57 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: 1rudeboy
” . . . manipulate the system once in the States, . . .”

I shouldn't say “once in the States,” as that sounds too immediate. I should say, once they have been in the States long enough to learn the ropes, learn how to hide for a while after they have over-stayed their visas, and have found the loop-holes in the immigrations system.

In the case of the the Chinese man of whom I was very personally aware, he worked with the girl, and both got separate visas, obviously without the US Embassy in Beijing able to make any personal connection between the two. The man, who was a student of mine for more than two years, told me seriously, thinking I wouldn't care, that he and the girl intended to procreate in the States, make an anchor baby, and never go back to China. It was a business arrangement between them.

Having first-hand knowledge of the plot, and knowing I had to be in Hong Kong within days of hearing his plan, I intended to turn the man and his “business partner” in to the authorities. I did report it. That's when the Consulate in HK informed me that they already figure a percentage of people who have just such (and many other kinds of) intentions. They were not even interested in taking the man's name.

37 posted on 06/09/2008 7:02:31 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789

Visa overstays are a huge problem. No question about that.


38 posted on 06/09/2008 7:23:12 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Woodman

It must not have been Bronx Science, which is heavily Korean and Chinese, with many of the white kids being Jewish.


39 posted on 06/09/2008 8:22:15 AM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: John Leland 1789
“The man, who was a student of mine for more than two years, told me seriously, thinking I wouldn't care, that he and the girl intended to procreate in the States, make an anchor baby, and never go back to China. It was a business arrangement between them.”

If two aliens procreate in the United States and have a citizen baby, that does not mean they get to stay in the United States. The baby won't help them at all until he or she turns twenty one, at which point the baby could then apply for visas to get his or her parents in. If a foreign student marries a citizen, that's a different matter, but making a baby with another foreigner won't keep him in this country.

40 posted on 06/09/2008 11:47:44 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz

“If a foreign student marries a citizen, that’s a different matter, but making a baby with another foreigner won’t keep him in this country.”

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We should tell Mexicans this.

But even if it doesn’t work (I think it does often work, actually), that WAS their plot. And that couple are in Iowa today, and have never been back to China.


41 posted on 06/09/2008 12:00:07 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
“We should tell Mexicans this.

But even if it doesn’t work (I think it does often work, actually), that WAS their plot.”

I'd love to hear from you how this works. How does having a child in America keep two aliens on student visas in this country? And for that matter, how does it keep Mexican illegals in this country? Please explain how this process works.

“And that couple are in Iowa today, and have never been back to China.”

They were probably able to get some sort of work visas. That happens. I was just talking a moment ago to a South Korean who came here on a student visa back in 2001, got authorization to work, and then his employer helped him apply for a green card. It wasn't an easy process, certainly not as easy as the process would have been had he have just married a U.S. citizen and had her file an I-130 Petition for Alien Relative along with his I-485 Application to register Permanent Residence or Adjust Status. Having a baby with another alien would not have helped him though. What you hear about “anchor babies” is a lot more rhetoric than reality.

42 posted on 06/09/2008 1:40:42 PM PDT by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz

So, you don’t believe that illegal immigrants are using anchor babies as a means to remain in the States.

Well your post seems to actually agree with my argument that people can use student visas as a first step in a long range plan to stay in the States. If the Korean can do it (even if that was NOT his original intention), this gets known back in Korea, and it encourages other people to try using student visas as a first step. It is the same for those from China.

Now the couple in Iowa are obviously there now on a legal status. But it began with a lot of lying and deception, and continued that way for years. He began by lying about his intentions to the interviewer in Beijing.


43 posted on 06/09/2008 1:53:13 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
“So, you don’t believe that illegal immigrants are using anchor babies as a means to remain in the States.”

Well, no, I do not believe that illegal aliens are using “anchor babies” as a means of staying in the United States. If two illegals have a child in this country that child will be a citizen. That is true under our current law. It is also true that a citizen can apply for a visa and for an immediate relative and help that immediate relative get a green card. The catch is that the citizen must be at least 21 years of age to do this. An “anchor baby” can't file anything for his parents. Illegal aliens with citizen children get deported all the time and most of the time they end up bringing their “anchor babies” with them, unless they want to leave them behind with other relatives or something like that.

It's just a myth that these people can swim across the Rio Grande and have a baby and that “anchor baby” will keep them here. People from other countries do use all sorts of tricks to get to come over here and stay over here. I am not disputing that. But coming over here and having a baby will not somehow make an alien eligible for a green card or some other legal basis to stay. The child cannot help his parents stay in the U.S., but when he grows up he can sponsor his parents and other close relatives for entry into this country and help them get green cards which will help them eventually become citizens.

Back to people coming over on student visas who are really looking for a way to stay in the U.S., do you know why people find tricky ways to get into the United States and get their green cards and eventually their citizenship? They do this because in many cases this is the only way they can immigrate to the U.S.. If you are a citizen of another country unless you have an immediate relative who is a citizen, and brothers and sisters are not immediate relatives according to our screwy immigration laws, odds are you'll never get an immigrant visa. If you are a married adult child of a citizen or if you have a citizen brother or sister it might take you 15 or 20 years or longer to get an immigrant visa. It's expensive to come here and there are all sorts of hurdles that in many cases are insurmountable. Immigrant visas generally are not granted unless the people who wish to immigrate have close relatives in the U.S. who sponsor them. Employment visas and student visas of course are not immigrant visas, they're temporary type visas. But people come over here all the time on these visas hoping to somehow make the U.S. their permanent home, and a lot of them figure out how to do it. It may not be a particularly honest thing to do, but for most who do it it's probably the only way they'd ever be able to immigrate. I have to admit that if I lived in a crappy place like China I might do the same thing. Would you if you were a citizen of some hellhole country and you had no other way to immigrate to the United States?

44 posted on 06/09/2008 4:38:55 PM PDT by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz

Are you then a defender of illegal immigration?


45 posted on 06/09/2008 4:51:12 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789

No.


46 posted on 06/09/2008 4:57:25 PM PDT by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz
It's quite simple. The whole world can not go to America and America survive. That is the reason for stringent immigration policy. And it's time for it to become MORE stringent. I wouldn't waste my breath for ten minutes defending illegality when it comes to the long-range security of our own nation.

We are in “crappy” China right now. Not nearly as “crappy” as it was 10 years ago, by the way.

47 posted on 06/09/2008 5:31:05 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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