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U.S.-born children feel effects of immigration raids
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-children8-2008jun08,0,24156.story ^

Posted on 06/08/2008 6:50:23 PM PDT by World_Events

Yesenia Rangel, 12, looked out her window on a Friday morning in February and saw several officers with the letters "ICE" on their sleeves.

Yesenia immediately called her neighbors to warn them that immigration officers were outside their Compton apartment building. Then she watched in tears as officers handcuffed her father and took him away.

"I thought, 'I'm never going to see my dad again,' " said Yesenia, a U.S. citizen by birth.

As federal authorities expand immigration enforcement in California and throughout the nation, teachers, mental health professionals and immigrant rights advocates are raising concerns about the effect on children like Yesenia who are U.S. citizens.

Last month, a California congresswoman held a hearing on the raids' consequences for children.

"The administration must take the necessary steps to ensure that these raids are conducted in a humane fashion and they are protective to kids, not harmful," said Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Petaluma).

During the hearing, an elementary school principal from the Bay Area city of San Rafael, testified that local immigration raids in 2007 traumatized children and resulted in high absenteeism and low test scores.

National Council of La Raza President Janet Murguia testified that immigration agents instilled fear among children by conducting enforcement operations near public schools and Head Start programs. The Latino civil rights organization released a report last year that found several children were left to fend for themselves when their parents were detained.

According to the report, about 5 million children in the U.S. have an undocumented parent and two-thirds of those children are U.S. citizens.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; bigbrother; enforcement; ice; illegals; immigrantlist
The "poor" things.........
1 posted on 06/08/2008 6:50:23 PM PDT by World_Events
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To: World_Events

Ah gee ... I’m all choked up ...


2 posted on 06/08/2008 6:51:46 PM PDT by clamper1797 (GWB was shock and awe ... Nobama is shuck and jive)
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To: World_Events

Too f’n bad.


3 posted on 06/08/2008 6:51:51 PM PDT by Grunthor (Hey McCain, no reach-around, no vote!)
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To: World_Events

I love how it’s law-enforcement’s fault and not the fault of the illegals that put their family in such a damaging position. That kid shouldn’t be aiding them by calling and warning her neighbors. Great to have a 12 year old already working against our system. Disgusting.


4 posted on 06/08/2008 6:53:23 PM PDT by The Worthless Miracle (Where's Michele??)
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To: World_Events

Perhaps the parents should have thought about their kids/future kids feelings before they entered this country illegally.


5 posted on 06/08/2008 6:54:59 PM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (If there were no Cowards there could be no Bullies.)
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To: World_Events

What a crock. You can make this “what about the effect on the kids” argument for anyone that gets arrested.


6 posted on 06/08/2008 6:55:05 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: World_Events

A resposnible parent would take their daughter with them as they are returned to their homeland.

She can get to know the relatives there.


7 posted on 06/08/2008 6:55:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: 1rudeboy

yep, you could make that argument. What about all the gang members in prison, for example? They aren’t able to be good fathers to their children because they are in prison. But what is society supposed to do? Carried to an extreme, no criminal with dependent children could ever be arrested or sent to prison.


8 posted on 06/08/2008 6:57:37 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: World_Events
Action...consequence. The parents made the decision to take risks with their children's future, and the children suffer the consequence.

Sounds like the bastards should stay home...to “protect the children.”

9 posted on 06/08/2008 6:58:38 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: World_Events

It is truly sad what these undocumented parents have done to bring children into the world in a country where they don’t have citizenship. And put all of the pressure on the children.

They will have to answer to a Higher Power for what they are doing to their children. Using them for their own selfish gain.


10 posted on 06/08/2008 6:58:47 PM PDT by i_dont_chat (The elephant has fallen and it can't get up.)
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To: World_Events

U.S. born kids feel the effects of all kinds of raids to arrest their criminal parents. Before embarking on a life of crime these people should have thought about the effect on their kids, not whine when they get caught.


11 posted on 06/08/2008 7:02:26 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: World_Events
I wonder who the PR firm is. Lots of these "horror" stories a printin'.

I hope our kakistocracy folks in Washington, D.C. ain't handing out taxpayer money to pay for this campaign.

12 posted on 06/08/2008 7:02:46 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: 1rudeboy
“What a crock. You can make this “what about the effect on the kids” argument for anyone that gets arrested.”

The problem with punishment is that we think we're civilized by creating a punishment that separates fathers from their families by imprisoning them.

If we were truly a civilized and developed society we'd move punishment more toward immediate physical consequence rather than prison.

For example, we could stop using prison for drug pushers and cane them in the public square. That way we could punish the act, discourage the crime, reinforce societal standards, and still have “dad” home by sundown. The criminal's kids still have their father, if he lives, and we save many tens of thousands of dollars per year housing non-violent felons and paying to support their families, while reducing the number of single-parent children.

13 posted on 06/08/2008 7:04:55 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: World_Events
The blame for this situation should be laid at the feet of those ultimately responsible, THE PARENTS!! Nobody else.

They knew they were breaking the law when they decided to victimize their children in such fashion.

As for the “Bay area principal” and La Raza, they need to go suck down a whole shovel full of that stuff they are shoveling so successfully. (For anyone who's interested, absenteeism and low test scores are a too common epidemic amongst our illegal invaders.)

14 posted on 06/08/2008 7:06:27 PM PDT by singfreedom
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To: BenLurkin

“A responsible parent would take their daughter with them as they are returned to their homeland.”

My thoughts exactly. Is there some law that prevents a child returning to Mexico (or wherever) with his/her parent?

If not, then it is the FATHER’S fault that he is separated from his child, because it is the FATHER who declines to bring his child back with him to their country of origin.


15 posted on 06/08/2008 7:07:01 PM PDT by Molly K.
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To: World_Events
"The administration must take the necessary steps to ensure that these raids are conducted in a humane fashion and they are protective to kids, not harmful," said Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Petaluma).

OK, so how do you do that and enforce the law? This could apply in any case where children are removed from their criminal parents.

Crimea River.
16 posted on 06/08/2008 7:08:49 PM PDT by Das Outsider
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To: World_Events
Where's the articles entitled ....

"AMERICAN TAXPAYERS FEEL THE EFFECTS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT FLOODS" ? ? ?

17 posted on 06/08/2008 7:10:27 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: World_Events

They shouldn’t be citizens... their parents are here illegally. They’re anchor babies.


18 posted on 06/08/2008 7:16:45 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: World_Events

It makes me ashamed. The poor darlings. Open the borders wide. Let them all in. Oh wait, they already have.
Our government has become pathetic.


19 posted on 06/08/2008 7:22:15 PM PDT by mefistofelerevised
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To: mefistofelerevised
They want us to feel guilty for the situation they are in. I didn't put them in that situation, their parents did!!!!!
The people who need to take the responsibility for this pain are the illegals who caused it all in the first place.
20 posted on 06/08/2008 7:24:24 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no

Of course you are right. I’m about out of guilt. In fact I never had any. I’m sick of whining about aliens who cause endless problems and drive the standard of living into the dirt. They will drive us into a third world $h!thole.


21 posted on 06/08/2008 7:33:53 PM PDT by mefistofelerevised
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To: oldenuff2no
They want us to feel guilty for the situation they are in. I didn't put them in that situation, their parents did!!!!! The people who need to take the responsibility for this pain are the illegals who caused it all in the first place.

The longer we keep playing this open borders nonsense, the more these unnecessary issues will come up when law enforcement tries to do their job, thereby creating even more negative PR for the pro-enforcement side--and so on, and so on.
22 posted on 06/08/2008 7:36:15 PM PDT by Das Outsider
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To: World_Events

I have an idea.Take the illegal children with them.Afterall children of illegals are not citizens.


23 posted on 06/08/2008 7:38:55 PM PDT by imahawk (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: World_Events
The father should be arrested and prosecuted for not only being in our country illegally but also for putting his daughter in such an emotionally devastating situation.
24 posted on 06/08/2008 7:50:44 PM PDT by WesternPacific (I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils!)
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Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Petaluma)

She is at the top of the "Most Worthless POS List". Every year I heckle her at Petaluma's Butter and Eggs Day Parade.

25 posted on 06/08/2008 7:53:42 PM PDT by rivercat (The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. - William Shakespeare)
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To: BenLurkin
A resposnible parent would take their daughter with them as they are returned to their homeland.

I would guess that the parent and child would still be better off, going back today, than they would be if they'd stayed in Mexico. So why am I supposed to feel the slightest bit sorry for them?

26 posted on 06/08/2008 8:09:36 PM PDT by supercat
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To: World_Events

Gosh, have their parents neglected to tell them oftheir legal status? Doesn’t that fall under child neglect?


27 posted on 06/08/2008 8:56:45 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: World_Events

LAT recycles this story over and over again like clockwork.

They’ll do the same story 2 months from now.

Now where’s that violin...


28 posted on 06/08/2008 9:49:04 PM PDT by max americana
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I think it’s funny how the parents raise their kids and never tell them that they are illegal.


29 posted on 06/08/2008 11:38:52 PM PDT by Haddit (A Hunter Conservative)
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"The administration must take the necessary steps to ensure that these raids are conducted in a humane fashion and they are protective to kids, not harmful," said Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Petaluma).

I think all raids should emulate the humaneness of the raid on Elian Gonzalez.

30 posted on 06/08/2008 11:49:08 PM PDT by Stentor (Obama supporters. Letting the little void do the thinking for the big void.)
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To: World_Events

Personally I think we need to do away with the whole anchor baby system. You should only be a natural born citizen if you’re born to citizens of America.


31 posted on 06/09/2008 1:33:24 AM PDT by Lazarus Starr
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"I thought, 'I'm never going to see my dad again,' " said Yesenia, a U.S. citizen by birth.

When these anchor babies get to vote they will not hesitate to punish the U.S. with reparations for madre and padre. They will vote in the worst kind of panderers.

We need to revoke their "citizenship" before that happens.

32 posted on 06/09/2008 3:14:26 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: SUSSA
U.S. born kids feel the effects of all kinds of raids to arrest their criminal parents. Before embarking on a life of crime these people should have thought about the effect on their kids, not whine when they get caught.

Absolutely, I've visited someone in that was in prison, and there were plenty of children there visiting their fathers. I'm sure it was traumatic for them as well, but nobody says their fathers shouldn't be punished. Believe me, it is traumatic for the whole family, not just kids, when a loved one is arrested but that doesn't mean the criminals should escape justice.

33 posted on 06/09/2008 4:38:15 AM PDT by muggs (No matter who wins, America loses)
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To: imahawk
“I have an idea.Take the illegal children with them. Afterall children of illegals are not citizens.”

They are considered citizens by our courts if they are born here. Although some disagree with it, it's well established law. We'd have to amend the Constitution and repeal or modify the 14th Amendment to change the law.

Of course when parents of young citizen children are deported the children usually do go with the parents, so in effect we deport the children as well. But they are considered American citizens and when they are 21 they can apply to bring their immediate relatives over, and that would include their parents and younger unmarried brothers and sisters.

34 posted on 06/09/2008 9:05:21 AM PDT by TKDietz
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“We need to revoke their “citizenship” before that happens.”

That won’t ever happen. We can’t revoke citizenship of people born here. We could amend the Constitution and make it such that just being born here is not enough to confer citizenship, but going back and taking away the right of citizenship from citizens like that would violate the prohibitions on ex post facto, violate due process, etc., etc.. If we want to change the law it will only apply to those born here after we change the law. So we’d better get on it if we are going to do it.


35 posted on 06/09/2008 9:13:47 AM PDT by TKDietz
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Th law does not apply to illegals Period.For the law to apply the individual has to be in good standing.By virtue of the fact the parents are illegal eliminates the standing of the children.When a foreign national that visits this country legally has a child here the child is a citizen of the mothers home country.This law applied to slaves and to no one else.I think if the law is read it will make that clear baring shyster liars er lawyers interpretation.


36 posted on 06/09/2008 4:46:59 PM PDT by imahawk (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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Our courts say the law applies to illegals, and for that matter so do the field manuals used by the people staffing our immigration offices, so the bottom line is that the law applies to illegals. That’s just the way it is. Children born here of illegal parents are still considered citizens. Your interpretation of the law may very well be right, but it’s not the one our government follows. The law is what our government says it is, like it or not.


37 posted on 06/09/2008 4:55:44 PM PDT by TKDietz
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Have you noticed this gubment does’nt follow alot of its laws.By the way, which court or courts said the law applies to illegals?


38 posted on 06/09/2008 5:24:05 PM PDT by imahawk (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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