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Top Ten Reasons Obama Won't Release His Birth Certificate
ExurbanLeague.com ^ | June 9, 2008 | Exurban Jon

Posted on 06/09/2008 5:44:28 PM PDT by inkling

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To: angelsonmyside

actually I did hear that his full name is Barack Hussein Mohammed (sp?) Obama. I don’t remember where I saw this, but has anyone else heard this?


101 posted on 06/09/2008 7:29:37 PM PDT by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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To: bannie
That is a very broad generalization. In many jurisdictions, including the one where my wife has served as an election judge, if there is any doubt a voter is not a citizen, he or she is given a provisional ballot. There are something like 3900 boards of election in the U.S. Not all of them are sloppy about the process. As you might have noted, several states have passed legislation mandating the showing of identification before voting, and the Supreme Court has ruled such legislation to be constitutional.

If Senator Obama were not an American citizen, wouldn't his political opponent have raised the issue in Illinois? After all, this is not the first election Obama has stood for.

102 posted on 06/09/2008 7:33:02 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven!)
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To: WellyP

I do not know, but if she got aid for him one would think she would have to produce a BC. He has a BC, he just does not want us to see what is on it.


103 posted on 06/09/2008 7:35:30 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: GAB-1955
My generalization was directed toward the fact that we don't need to show proof of even who we ARE when we vote (ie: driver's licenses).
104 posted on 06/09/2008 7:36:48 PM PDT by bannie (clintons CHEAT! It's their only weapon.; & Barry/Barack has two faces.)
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To: angelsonmyside

Now THAT’S Very Interesting....


105 posted on 06/09/2008 7:46:15 PM PDT by Humble Servant ( Keep it simple - do what's right.)
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To: inkling
Obama, sign the OHSM 135 !

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106 posted on 06/09/2008 7:52:02 PM PDT by Plutarch
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People need to get their panties untwisted and also need to learn how to google.  His mother was born in Wichita, Kansas (Nov 27, 1940) to Stanley Armour DUNHAM who was born on 23 March 1918 in Kansas and died 8 February 1992 in Honolulu and Madelyn Lee PAYNE who was born in 1922 in Wichita, Kansas. She currently lives in Oahu, Hawaii. She is as American as apple pie as are her parents and grandparents.  

Obama himself was born on 4 August 1961 at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawai'i.  Two years after Hawai'i became a state.  He graduated from Columbia University (1983) - Major: Political Science (amazingly just like me and millions of other grads at the age of 1983-1961 = 22 years old)... He graduated from high school in 1979 at 18 not 20 as one would have to believe.

One can get a copy of his Certificate of Live Birth at: http://www.vitalchek.com/agency_locator.aspx?eventtype=birth   assuming you want to spend $39 that the GOP must have decided to NOT spend.

Now, since we all know he has a United States passport because of the passport brouhaha that arose a few months ago, are we do assume that he gamed the State Department so he could become President? 

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/21/state-dept-to-respond-to-reports-of-breach-of-obamas-passport-file/

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/21/obama.passport/index.html

Also, there are only two types of United States citizens.

Since Obama is a U.S. citizen and he was not naturalized... well, you all do the math.

 

 


 

107 posted on 06/09/2008 7:53:10 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko
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To: bannie

Perhaps not in California, but we definitely need ID cards in Maryland! This is something you can press your county board of election to do. Perhaps poll watchers can be there to observe the process (though in Maryland polling places, the chief election judge can toss someone).


108 posted on 06/09/2008 8:00:17 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven!)
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To: bannie

Indeed!


109 posted on 06/09/2008 8:00:45 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: HawaiianGecko

Actually, one cannot get a copy of his birth certificate by paying $39 to Vitalcheck. If you read the fine print, only certain individuals (generally, the individual or someone acting on his behalf) can request a birth certificate.


110 posted on 06/09/2008 8:08:27 PM PDT by Steve_Stifler
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To: bannie
Yes, Mr. Blythe was a traveling salesman after the war, and was killed in a car accident while he was out traveling. I think young Billy was a few months old, so Mr. Blythe had been back a year or so.

Doubt it was an arkancide, but it would make a good Shakespearean tale. You could have the real father be a mob guy who did the deed and have it be the start of a Macbeth style life. The real father then reappears at key points in young Billy's life, helping him with his political connections in Arkansas and in DC, and giving him his start. Maybe he even learns the ways of the mob under "Dad"'s tutelage, and that experience serves him well when it comes to state troopers, land deals, and the treeatment of witnesses.

111 posted on 06/09/2008 8:12:22 PM PDT by Defiant (Leave it to the Dems to nominate someone so bad I may be forced to vote for McCain.)
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To: angelsonmyside
There's a story that suggests he wasn't even physically born in the states - I hadn't saved the place I had found it as a reference and here I was hoping this was it.

This is still interesting though.

The story has it that the flight out of Kenya BO's parents were schedule to take was delayed and that he was born in Kenya as a result. After which his parents took the very next flight to Hawaii and had him registered.

It would be very interesting to see his original birth certificate to see if his full name isn't Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama as I've seen claimed elsewhere.

112 posted on 06/09/2008 8:23:52 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Write in: Fred Thompson)
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To: LegalEagle61; Cicero

actually I did hear that his full name is Barack Hussein Mohammed (sp?) Obama. I don’t remember where I saw this, but has anyone else heard this?

"His True Name Is Barak Hussein Muhammed Obama"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2015093/posts

113 posted on 06/09/2008 8:28:58 PM PDT by roamer († Jesus, I trust in You. †)
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To: cricket

Well most of what Congress does is unconstitutional anyway, at least as far as I figure. They outsource virtually all of their mandate including the ability to declare war. If they knew he was not eligible they would say “so what, everyone does it, its his own personal business, unless he does something wrong what’s the harm, we’ll form a blue ribbon committee to decide for us... yada yada yada”


114 posted on 06/09/2008 8:34:59 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: GAB-1955

No we don’t out here...we wouldn’t want to deny someone a right they don’t have.


115 posted on 06/09/2008 8:37:39 PM PDT by bannie (clintons CHEAT! It's their only weapon.; & Barry/Barack has two faces.)
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To: Defiant

I hope you’re writing this all dow....

Oh, silly me! Of course you are!

;-)


116 posted on 06/09/2008 8:38:25 PM PDT by bannie (clintons CHEAT! It's their only weapon.; & Barry/Barack has two faces.)
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To: All

US constitutional definition
The United States Constitution does not define the term “natural born citizen”; however, it does confer on Congress the power: “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.”

Section 1 of Article II of the Constitution contains the clause:

“ No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. ”

Additionally, the 12th Amendment to the Constitution states that: “[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.”

It is thought the origin of the natural-born citizen clause can be traced to a July 25, 1787, letter from John Jay to George Washington, presiding officer of the Constitutional Convention. John Jay wrote: “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.” There was no debate, and this qualification for the office of the Presidency was introduced by the drafting Committee of Eleven, and then adopted without discussion by the Constitutional Convention.

[edit] US presidential candidates born outside the US
“The constitutional wording has left doubts about whether those born on foreign soil are on an equal footing with those whose birth occurred inside the country’s borders, and whether they have the same rights.”[1] Though every president and vice president to date (as of 2008) has either been a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution, or else born in a U.S. state or Washington D.C.[2], a number of presidential candidates have been born elsewhere.[3]

Barry Goldwater, who ran as the Republican party nominee in 1964, was born in Arizona while it was still a U.S. territory. Although Arizona was not a state, it was a fully organized and incorporated territory of the United States, making it debatable whether or not he was born outside the United States.[4]

George Romney, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 1968, was born in Mexico to U.S. parents. Romney’s grandfather emigrated to Mexico in 1886 with his three wives and children after Utah outlawed polygamy. Romney’s parents retained their U.S. citizenship and returned to the United States in 1912. Romney was 32 years old when he arrived in Michigan.

John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the presumptive Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the U.S. military base Coco Solo in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents.[5]

[edit] US legislation and legal arguments
The requirements for citizenship and the very definition thereof have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, under the first naturalization law: “And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.”[6][7] This was addressed by the U.S. Supreme Court in the Dred Scott case as a form of naturalization.[8] The Dred Scott case, however, was overturned by the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868. The Fourteenth Amendment mentions two types of citizenship: citizenship by birth and citizenship by law (naturalized citizens): “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of foreign diplomats) are citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. Persons born in the United States, and persons born on foreign soil to two U.S. parents, are born American citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under 8 USC 1401. There is some debate over whether persons who were born US citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under U.S. law should also be considered citizens “by birth,” or whether they should all be considered to be “naturalized.” There is also some debate over whether there is a meaningful legal distinction between citizens “at birth” and citizens “by birth” since U.S. law makes no such distinction, nor does the Fourteenth Amendment use the term “at birth.” Current U.S. statutes define certain individuals born overseas as “citizens at birth.”[9] One side of the argument interprets the Constitution as meaning that a person either is born in the United States or is a naturalized citizen. According to this view, in order to be a “natural born citizen,” a person must be born in the United States; otherwise, he is a citizen “by law” and is therefore “naturalized.”[10] Current State Department policy reads: “Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.”[11] However, this does not affect those who are born abroad to U.S. citizens and who otherwise meet the qualifications for citizenship at birth.[12]

[edit] US case law
Although the U.S. Supreme Court has never specifically addressed the meaning of “natural born citizen,” there are several Supreme Court decisions that help define citizenship:

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857): In regard to the “natural born citizen” clause, the dissent states that it is acquired by place of birth (jus soli), not through blood or lineage (jus sanguinis): “The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, ‘a natural-born citizen.’ It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.” (Much of the majority opinion in this case was overturned by the 14th Amendment in 1868.)
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898): A person born within the jurisdiction of the U.S. to non-citizens who “are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity” is automatically a citizen.
Weedin v. Chin Bow, 274 U.S. 657 (1927): A child born outside the U.S. cannot claim U.S. citizenship by birth through a U.S. citizen parent who had never lived in the U.S. prior to the child’s birth. (This is still true today, although the specific statutes upon which the Supreme Court’s ruling was based have changed since 1927.)
Montana v. Kennedy, 366 U.S. 308 (1961): A person born in 1906, whose mother was a native-born citizen of the United States and whose father was a foreign citizen, who was born overseas and then moved to the United States, was not a citizen of the United States by birth. (Note that the relevant laws have changed considerably since 1906, so this decision does not necessarily apply to later cases.)
Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964): The Court voided a statute that provided that a naturalized citizen should lose his United States citizenship if, following naturalization, he resided continuously for three years in his former homeland. “We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native-born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the ‘natural born’ citizen is eligible to be President.”
Miller v. Albright, 523 U.S. 420 (1998): A child born overseas to an American father and a foreign mother (not married) is not a U.S. citizen unless paternity is established before an established age (in this case 21). This case challenged the law on the grounds that U.S. law requires no explicit acknowledgment of parenthood in the case of a foreign-born child to an American mother and a foreign father (not married).
Nguyen v. INS, 533 U.S. 53 (2001): As in the Miller v. Albright case, the Court holds that a child born overseas to an American father and a foreign mother (not married) is not a U.S. citizen unless paternity is established before an established age (in this case 18). The child was brought to the U.S. before his sixth birthday and raised by his father; however, after a criminal conviction, deportation was ordered but the child claimed U.S. citizenship. His citizenship was denied because paternity had not been established prior to his 18th birthday. The Court upheld the law, once again affirming that Congress has the power to define citizenship outside the citizenship dictated by the 14th Amendment (citizenship by birth).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen


117 posted on 06/09/2008 8:40:12 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: roamer; LegalEagle61

Notice that they were unable to check Obama’s birth record. So that’s at least twice that he refused to allow access to it.

They checked his marriage document and a number of others, but it’s perfectly possible to change you name on such documents, legally or often casually.

Also, his first name originally was not Barack but Baraka, which means sanctified or holy in Arabic, i.e., “Holy Hussein.”

So this does NOT disprove that story, which missionaries in Kenya might have gotten from his family before they were instructed to change their accounts to reporters.

We know that Barack’s step grandmother told reporters that the family was Muslims before she later started telling them they were Christians—presumably on Barack’s instructions.

So, I don’t know for sure if it’s true, but this does not disprove the story, as it claims to do.

Incidentally, Kenyan missionaries were also pooh-poohed for saying that Barack’s cousin Odinga’s followers murdered Christians. But that is well known to be true, it’s just not something the press likes to remember or connect the dots on.


118 posted on 06/09/2008 8:41:55 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: the anti-liberal; FARS

That story is over at anti-mullah

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2008/06/is-this-hillarys-october-surprise.html

Which has him being whisked to HI immediately after birth as his mother wasn’t permitted to fly so late in her pregnancy.


119 posted on 06/09/2008 8:53:05 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Orange1998

No question she is ready to replace the shoe; should it drop. Am just wondering what kind of deal she/they made; what it took - or what she took - for her to utter praise for Obama. Am sure she wanted to wash her mouth out with soap; when finished. . .


120 posted on 06/09/2008 8:59:39 PM PDT by cricket (Damn Political Correctness; before it irretrievably, damns us all. . .)
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To: txflake
Thanks.

It sure would be nice to be able to substantiate all of this.

If Hillary! has only suspended her campaign (?) then maybe she's more shrewed than given credit for...

121 posted on 06/09/2008 9:00:21 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Write in: Fred Thompson)
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To: inkling

His FULL name will reveal that he is on the NO FLY LIST.


122 posted on 06/09/2008 9:04:50 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: the anti-liberal

Well, his BC either has a name/signature on the ‘attending physician’ line or not. If she landed and went straight to the hospital, claiming she delivered him at home in HI and just hadn’t made it to the hospital yet, there cannot be an attending D.O. It would say ‘home delivery’.

We’d have to search the passenger manifests of flights leaving wherever in Kenya the day of his birth.


123 posted on 06/09/2008 9:08:09 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: elpadre
aren’t county courthouse records public??

No. Due to privacy concerns you generally have to be a member of the family to request a birth certificate. I am sure that is the case for Hawaii.

124 posted on 06/09/2008 9:09:11 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Cicero

This man is really scarry to me.


125 posted on 06/09/2008 9:09:39 PM PDT by roamer († Jesus, I trust in You. †)
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To: inkling

INTELIUS:

Background Report for Barack Obama, 46

LOCATIONS FOR BARACK OBAMA:
6 Addresses in CHICAGO, IL
2 Addresses in WASHINGTON, DC
1 Address in SOMERVILLE, MA

RELATIVES OF BARACK OBAMA:

Barback Obama

Michelle Obama

END

Does anyone know Who ‘Barback’ Obama is?

STE=Q


126 posted on 06/09/2008 9:12:36 PM PDT by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: txflake
"We’d have to search the passenger manifests of flights leaving wherever in Kenya the day of his birth."

Is that possible?

127 posted on 06/09/2008 9:22:38 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Write in: Fred Thompson)
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To: the anti-liberal

I sure would like to read more about this.


128 posted on 06/09/2008 9:24:58 PM PDT by angelsonmyside (It's not the color of one's skin but the color of the heart)
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To: monkeyshine

Tying to imagine ‘reasonable’ answers here; is a challenge; given ‘Reason’ seems in short supply when it comes to those elected; and those doing the electing. . .


129 posted on 06/09/2008 9:34:57 PM PDT by cricket (Damn Political Correctness; before it irretrievably, damns us all. . .)
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To: angelsonmyside
Here's one link - the actual story about the missionaries in Kenya:
CFP: The Real Obama Story Exposed!
And here's another about the story, which includes a blurb about BO being born in Kenya (in green):
IS THIS HILLARY'S OCTOBER SURPRISE ?

130 posted on 06/09/2008 9:35:51 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Write in: Fred Thompson)
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To: the anti-liberal

If it is, HRC will do it.

What Obama needs to do is release the BC, and show a birth announcement from whatever Honolulu paper was printing at the time.

The chances are slim, anyway, that whomever qualifies people to run for POTUS would have missed this.

His family could also produce parental passports from his birthday that do NOT have customs stamps on them.


131 posted on 06/09/2008 9:36:14 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: cricket

Amen to your tagline, btw!


132 posted on 06/09/2008 9:37:17 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Write in: Fred Thompson)
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To: antceecee

Who is Eligible to Apply for Certified Copies of Vital Records?

A certified copy of a vital record (birth, death, marriage, or divorce certificate) is issued only to an applicant who has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons are considered to have such an interest:

* the registrant (the person whom the record is concerned with);
* the registrant’s spouse;
* the registrant’s parent(s);
* a descendant of the registrant (e.g., a child or grandchild);
* a person having a common ancestor with the registrant (e.g., a sibling, grandparent, aunt/uncle, or cousin);
* a legal guardian of the registrant;
* a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;
* a personal representative of the registrant’s estate;
* a person whose right to obtain a copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;
* adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child’s natural or legal parents;
* a person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony;
* a person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and
* a person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.

If you are not able to establish a direct and tangible interest in the record, you are ineligible and will not be issued a certified copy of the record.

Upon request, a letter of verification attesting to the existence of a requested record on file with the Department of Health may be issued. Instructions for applying for letters of verification are included in the next section and immediately follow the set of instructions on applying for certified copies. The same eligibility requirements apply for both ceritified copies and verification letters.

A search of the records on file with the Department of Health will only be conducted to process an application requesting either a certified copy or a letter of verification. If the search establishes that the requested record is not on file, you will be notified that no record has been found. No searches of the records on file with the Department of Health will be conducted prior to or outside of the receipt of an application and payment of fees.


133 posted on 06/09/2008 9:39:03 PM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (The UN did such a great job with Oil for Food in Iraq, let's let them run the whole country)
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To: inkling; txflake; Always Right; cricket; taxcontrol; HarryCaul; Raycpa; cajungirl; traditional1; ...
OK here's another one that bugs me. If he has 6 or 7 half brothers by daddy dearest and one half sister by mom, why is it we only rarely hear about the sister in HI. This is a very long thread but I have been looking for answers.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=472781

“1982
Senior dies in an alcohol-related car accident in Kenya, leaving three wives, one mistress, six sons and a daughter — there is also the possibility of an eight progeny via the mistress.
Although Obama claims Senior was an atheist, Senior was buried as a Muslim.
One of Senior's former drinking partners, Kenyan writer Philip Ochieng Ochieng says that his friend's downfall was his weak character.
“Although charming, generous and extraordinarily clever, Obama Sr. was also imperious, cruel and given to boasting about his brain and his wealth,” he said.
“He was excessively fond of Scotch. He had fallen into the habit of going home drunk every night. His boasting proved his undoing and left him without a job, plunged him into prolonged poverty and dangerously wounded his ego.”
Ochieng recalls how, after sitting up all night drinking Black Label whisky at Nairobi's famous Stanley Hotel, Obama Sr. would fly into rages if Ruth asked where he had been.
Ochieng remonstrated with his friend, saying: “You bring a woman from far away and you reduce her to pulp. That is not our way.”
But it was to no avail. Ruth sued for divorce after her husband administered brutal beatings.
In fact he was a menace to life, said Ochieng. “He had many extremely serious accidents. Both his legs had to be amputated. They were replaced with crude false limbs made from iron.
“He was just like Mr Toad [from Wind In The Willows], very arrogant on the road, especially when he had whisky inside. I was not surprised when I learned how he died.”
Ruth refused to comment on the abuse charges when we tracked her down to the Kenyan school where she now works.
She said: “I was married to Barack’s father for seven years so, yes, you could say Barack is my stepson.
“Barack’s father was a very difficult man. Although I was married to him the longest of any of his wives he wasn't an easy person to be around.”
Senior ends up with three wives, some at the same time and one mistress.
He has either seven or eight children, depending on the report. “

134 posted on 06/09/2008 9:44:27 PM PDT by angelsonmyside (It's not the color of one's skin but the color of the heart)
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To: angelsonmyside
It's good that you want answers. Personally, I couldn't care much less about his genes (or his jeans): it's the man's dissimulation and obfuscation about himself, who he is, where he comes from, and what he intends, that bother me the most.

If he's not going to be straight with us, we need to learn as much as we can ourselves.

135 posted on 06/09/2008 9:57:45 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Write in: Fred Thompson)
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To: cajungirl

“Statehood for Hawaii 1959”. He was born on August 4th 1961. His Mom and Dad were married in February 1961. I think his unwillingness to release his birth certificate, has nothing to with race or religion but what is actually staring us right in the face. Namely that he and William Jefferson Clinton have much in common. That is an very quick birth, the date of his conception is really the problem. I think he was in the oven, when they got hitched.


136 posted on 06/09/2008 10:02:48 PM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: the anti-liberal
Every day I learn more about this tool of Satan and am eager to learn even more for this reason. I have 3 family members that are liberals and are totally blinded. I have yet to budge them.

However just last week my daughters best friend since 3rd grade came by to see me after graduating college. Both her parents are Liberals as well. She knows I am always glued to the news and ask me about the upcoming election.

She made the comment she did not know which one she would vote for but would vote for a (D). When I ask he why she said well I alway have because my parents do. I started showing her stuff about Obama and she was stunned. While I had her attention I kept the info coming until I thought she might be on overload.

I explained that the reason I was only showing her stuff on him was because it was apparent he would win the Dem ticket. She looked somewhat defeated and finally ask me well who should I vote for?

I told her that had to be her decision but before she did vote from now on she needed to do some research. I think she is still in a state of shock over some of the things she has learned about him. I then ask her if she would feel safe with him in control for 4 years and her reply was no way.

137 posted on 06/09/2008 10:14:25 PM PDT by angelsonmyside (It's not the color of one's skin but the color of the heart)
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To: Always Right

Yes, the nation really needs to know the exact name listed on that birth certificate!! Was he really Barack at that time, was he really Obama, or were those names picked up by him later when he wanted to appear non-white? What middle name(s) appear on the certificate? Was he really born in Hawaii?

Let’s have the facts!!!


138 posted on 06/09/2008 10:22:07 PM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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To: angelsonmyside

The fact that she’s willing to actually listen to facts is a good sign - there may be hope for this one after all. :^)


139 posted on 06/09/2008 10:28:50 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Write in: Fred Thompson)
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To: Cicero

Even if the stories we have been told are correct, at a minimum Barry’s father is a bigamist under US law. US law does not recognize polygamy.

Where are the marriage and divorce records? Is Obama really who he says he is? Journalists should demand the answers and the documents. Obama’s team managed to trash his first Republican opponent in the IL senate race over some divorce records — time to demand that Obama’s family past receive the same scrutiny.

Or, were Barry’s parents not really married? Or, do we not even know the real story about who his parents were and where he was born? Do we know his real name? Is “Barack Obama” on his birth certificate? What middle name(s)? What religion is listed on the certificate? Was he really born in Hawaii?

There is just so much we don’t really know about this guy — this is just the tip of the iceberg..... (the iceberg may be meltiing due to global warming but we still need to see all the facts before the guy can be allowed to reach the Presidency).


140 posted on 06/09/2008 10:30:22 PM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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To: bannie
This is why you need to lobby Sacramento and ask for an ID card at voting. I know the odds of it passing are low, but if the issue isn't raised, it won't be considered by attention-short state legislators.
141 posted on 06/10/2008 3:27:04 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven!)
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To: angelsonmyside
Wonder if Obama 'helps' his real brothers and sisters; as he is asking us to be responsible for our universal and 'collective' - or depending on audience- our spiritual - family?

Will there be a family reunion in the White House?

Yes, the more you think of the missiing pieces here; or rather, Obama's missing family; the more questions arise. Meantime; Obama's Marxist roots and inspirations are getting short shrift as well in MSM. However, the 'blogosphere is doing due dilligence'. Beyond Free Republic, and Frontpagemagazine.com; and a host of others:

(http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2325)

and another here: (http://www.usasurvival.org/ck2.22.08.html

142 posted on 06/10/2008 4:57:05 AM PDT by cricket (Damn Political Correctness; before it irretrievably, damns us all. . .)
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To: the anti-liberal
Is that possible?

While passenger manifests are written documents, extreme doubt obtains that they would be archived for decades, so any such manifests likely do not exist today...

the infowarrior

143 posted on 06/10/2008 5:06:49 AM PDT by infowarrior
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To: bannie
Wouldn't it be mandatory to show your birth certificate . . .

He travelled to Pakistan in 1981. He had to have a passport. You have to show your birth certificate to get a passport. So he has one. There must be some reason he chooses to keep it from the public.

Perhaps he is getting advice from John F(orm 180) Kerry.
144 posted on 06/10/2008 5:33:36 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: antceecee; bannie
His own father and mother’s wedding in Hawaii may not have been properly documented.  "How and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I have never quite had the courage to explore," Obama writes in his memoir.

It's understandable that Obama overlooks the particulars, since Ann Dunham was probably a minor when Barack Obama Sr., an already married 24-year-old, impregnated her?

Obama weighed eight pounds, two ounces when he was born on August 4, 1961 (p. 22 of Dreams from My Father), so we can assume he went close to full term, or nine months.

His parents’ marriage took place six months before his birth on February 2nd, 1961.  Nine months before Obama’s birth would be early November 1960, about three to four weeks before Ann Dunham’s 18th birthday on November 29, 1960.

It appears that Barack Sr., a married man of about 24, almost certainly  impregnated a 17-year-old Dunham.

The Obama File


145 posted on 06/10/2008 5:45:58 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: roamer
These “facts” came from an email, circulating on the Internet from some Christian missionaries.

It is not true - - probability 99.8%.

146 posted on 06/10/2008 5:53:13 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: HawaiianGecko

That puts all this silliness to rest. If his mother was a natural born citizen, then so is Obama, regardless of father or location of his birth.


147 posted on 06/10/2008 6:03:01 AM PDT by kevkrom (2-D fantasy artists wanted: http://faxcelestis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=213)
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To: Orange1998
If she is that smart she would have crushed Barack Obama long time ago. She had more money, institutional support and name recognition than any candidate in modern time and yet she lost. She was supposed to be the inevitable nominee but instead she was defeated by a virtual unknown. She is not smart and worse of all she is very unlikable.
148 posted on 06/10/2008 6:05:37 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: infowarrior

Te first step would be to find out who flew the route out of Kenya, my guess is KLM, which would retain records.


149 posted on 06/10/2008 6:33:30 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: kevkrom

Not according to the existing law at the time.


150 posted on 06/10/2008 6:35:47 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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