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Top Ten Reasons Obama Won't Release His Birth Certificate
ExurbanLeague.com ^ | June 9, 2008 | Exurban Jon

Posted on 06/09/2008 5:44:28 PM PDT by inkling

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To: usmcobra
Te first step would be to find out who flew the route out of Kenya, my guess is KLM, which would retain records.

KLM? That's the Dutch national airline... One would think that the most logical airline flying from Nairobi in 1961 would have been BOAC (British Overseas Airline Corporation), which is no longer in existence...

the infowarrior

151 posted on 06/10/2008 6:36:41 AM PDT by infowarrior
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To: usmcobra
Not according to the existing law at the time.

I doubt it. The law appears aimed at children born to naturalized citizens, not children born to natural born citizens.

This is as asinine and incorrect as those who claim that McCain isn't eligible because he was born in Panama.

152 posted on 06/10/2008 6:37:16 AM PDT by kevkrom (2-D fantasy artists wanted: http://faxcelestis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=213)
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To: kevkrom

It would be asinine to put a Non American citizen and a Muslim into the highest office in the land during a time of war because we didn’t ensure his credentials.

He is hiding something that he doesn’t want the American people to see, something that would derail his election if exposed.

I for one reject the claim that Obama is Christian based upon which church he has been going to. If anything he is a member of the Black liberation theology that has no room in it’s dogma for Jesus Christ or God because they call for all of us to live together. In short it is Nation of Islam lite.


153 posted on 06/10/2008 6:50:22 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: usmcobra
because we didn’t ensure his credentials.

His mother is a natural born U.S. citizen. That's the only credential he needs, along with being 35 years of age or more.

It's pointless to spend energy chasing this -- unless you can prove his mother wasn't a natural born citizen, you've got no case. There are much better uses of one's time.

154 posted on 06/10/2008 7:04:58 AM PDT by kevkrom (2-D fantasy artists wanted: http://faxcelestis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=213)
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To: kevkrom
If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen.

the present law does not retroactively make him a citizen, however what if the Hawaii Birth Certificate says he was born in Kenya? or his father's name is not listed on the birth certificate?

rather then ignore the possibility I want to know the facts and I want the American people to know who they may elect as president.

155 posted on 06/10/2008 7:17:43 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: usmcobra
Give me the full context of the law. There is no way I'll believe the law was written to exclude the children of natural born US citizens from being considered natural born US citizens unless you can cite the entire law, in context, and not just repeat a snippet of out-of-context "law" that was posted on a blog somewhere.

It makes no sense for such a law to ever have been written, so why waste the energy "tracking the story down" when there is no story in the first place?

156 posted on 06/10/2008 7:23:39 AM PDT by kevkrom (2-D fantasy artists wanted: http://faxcelestis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=213)
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To: kevkrom; WellyP

You want me to hunt that down for you.

Perhaps you should politely ask the guy that originally posted it on this thread whose opinion you glossed over with calls for us to ignore this issue and yes it should be an issue!


157 posted on 06/10/2008 7:33:56 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: kevkrom

158 posted on 06/10/2008 7:51:20 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: usmcobra
and yes it should be an issue

No, it isn't an issue. I've been "freeping" long enough to not let myself get excited over some random blog post. Especially when the theory being bandied about does not pass the "smell test", which this one fails miserably.

You are more than welcome to waste your time on this wild goose chase. I, on the other hand, am done with this topic.

159 posted on 06/10/2008 7:58:50 AM PDT by kevkrom (2-D fantasy artists wanted: http://faxcelestis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=213)
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To: kevkrom

It is only “not an issue” because you say so.

You are assuming that I am either ignorant or mentally deficient, I want the facts laid to rest rather then locked away.


160 posted on 06/10/2008 8:03:25 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: inkling

8. Actual birth date would reveal he’s a Virgo, and those people are %#&*@! CRAZY.

Hey, I am a Virgo and I’m not crazy. Well, I don’t think I’m crazy..


161 posted on 06/10/2008 8:06:19 AM PDT by pnz1
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To: kevkrom

Are freepers missing the point? The birth certificate lists the father’s ETHNICITY which his family proudly claims is not negro but ARABIC. Kenyan records list BHO senior as an Arab. Baraq is not a negro African-American any more than Klinton was.


162 posted on 06/10/2008 8:25:41 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: jveritas

The smart comment was directed to the fact she always gets what she wants. She is very smart on the end game. I would not count her out until Nov.


163 posted on 06/10/2008 8:34:57 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: usmcobra
It is only “not an issue” because you say so.

Neither is it "an issue" because you say so.

If you want to rely on the unsourced ramblings of a blogger, that's your business. I'm calling it a wild goose chase because it doesn't make sense on the surface of it.

And now I've wasted even more energy on the subject pointing out the obvious, yet again.

164 posted on 06/10/2008 8:35:10 AM PDT by kevkrom (2-D fantasy artists wanted: http://faxcelestis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=213)
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To: Poincare
Are freepers missing the point? The birth certificate lists the father’s ETHNICITY which his family proudly claims is not negro but ARABIC. Kenyan records list BHO senior as an Arab. Baraq is not a negro African-American any more than Klinton was.

I agree that he's not releasing the info for a reason. I just reject the whole "he's not a natural born citizen" nonsense on the grounds that the argument makes no sense.

165 posted on 06/10/2008 8:36:28 AM PDT by kevkrom (2-D fantasy artists wanted: http://faxcelestis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=213)
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To: Enchante

Exactly.

Obama has the whole Chicago mob machine behind him. He can manipulate recent records, such as his name on the marriage certificate, just as he likes. In fact just about anyone can fake such records. It’s common in America for people to change their names or drop a middle name just because they don’t like it.

Obama should not be allowed to run for president unless he can prove he is an American. That means, at the very least, making his birth records public and his parents’ marriage records public, since even by his own account that marriage is in doubt.

Where’s FEMA, which should be supervising such elementary matters. Oh, that’s right, they don’t have a quorum, and can’t make any legally enforceable decisions, because Harry Reid is blocking all of Bush’s appointees.

Well, then, where’s the Justice Department and the FBI? Oh, Bush never took control of them back from the clintonoids.

Well, then, why doesn’t McCain raise a few questions. Oh, that would be divisive and racist.


166 posted on 06/10/2008 8:41:32 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: kevkrom
I just reject the whole "he's not a natural born citizen" nonsense on the grounds that the argument makes no sense.

You are correct. The non-citizen stuff is a diversion. I'm pondering what would be the effect of the news that Obama is not negro. And that his father's family was slavers. Would he lose any black vote? Would he gain hispanic vote?

167 posted on 06/10/2008 8:43:32 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: kevkrom

I agree there has to be another reason.


168 posted on 06/10/2008 8:47:41 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: kevkrom

Quit wasting your energy then I however shall search for the truth.

1)Obama’s momma may not have been legally married to Obama’s Father who already had a wife.

2)Obama may have been born in Kenya as reported by African new sources.

3)According to the law of the land at that time that would make Obama illegitimate and quite possibly even a stateless person according to our laws.

Did Obama’s Mother apply for a Birth certificate after returning to Hawaii when he was born in Kenya if so he may be only a naturalized citizen based upon existing law at that time rather then present law that does not cover him.


169 posted on 06/10/2008 8:51:33 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: usmcobra

1) Doesn’t matter
2) Doesn’t matter
3) No, it doesn’t. Cite the actual law if you want to keep spreading this nonsense.


170 posted on 06/10/2008 8:53:53 AM PDT by kevkrom (2-D fantasy artists wanted: http://faxcelestis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=213)
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To: Cicero

not FEMA — you meant FEC I assume — Federal Election Commission, which the Demagogues have paralyzed without a quorum since last year.

But otherwise we agree. :^)


171 posted on 06/10/2008 9:20:53 AM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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To: Enchante

Yes, I typed too fast!


172 posted on 06/10/2008 9:41:25 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: inkling

Heck this is pretty minor given the fact that Hillarys (Wretched piece of crap that it is) College Thesis didn’t even appear online (in PDF form) until 2 years ago. HE has no choice but to give this up. It really sounds preposterous that it hasn’t been released yet.


173 posted on 06/10/2008 1:38:43 PM PDT by Pagey (Horrible Hillary Clinton is Bad For America, Bad For Business and Bad For MY Stomach!)
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To: kevkrom; WellyP; usmcobra
Kev
I'm afraid your directing you anger at the wrong person. I was the one that posted it to begin with, so it should be me you attack instead.

I found the article of great interest, worthy of both discussion and research. In fact I was up until 2 am reading. I still do not know that laws but am still interested.

I do know there Barak Hussain Obama has a reason for not showing it. I also think those reasons are very sinister.

Many theories have arisen, each are suspicious in themselves.

1) There could have been a law on the books that would
eliminate his chances, we just don't know.

2) His name on his Birth Certificate could read BARRY Durham
since mom and pop could not have been legally
married. Therefore changing his name later when
he became a Muslim.

3) He is listed as an ARAB and not a Black.

4) Perhaps he was indeed born in Kenya and not HI.

All issues are not of particular interest to everyone but this one has been for many. No need for the attacks.

174 posted on 06/10/2008 5:03:46 PM PDT by angelsonmyside (It's not the color of one's skin but the color of the heart)
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To: kevkrom
"Cite the actual law if you want to keep spreading this nonsense."

This nonsense as you call it pertains to the most important political process our country undergoes every four years and the qualifications of the man who maybe our next president. As Citizens we have the right to know what kind of man we may be voting for or if he is even eligible for the position of president.

175 posted on 06/10/2008 5:49:07 PM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: kevkrom

Just wanted to add my two cents and say that this is an issue and the people should know ALL there is to know about a candidate for POTUS. I don’t understand your passion in wanting everyone to ignore this issue of the birth certificate.


176 posted on 06/10/2008 8:24:41 PM PDT by antceecee (where do from here Ollie?.)
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To: antceecee
I don’t understand your passion in wanting everyone to ignore this issue of the birth certificate.

Call it anti-passion rather than passion; I've witnessed too many wild goose chases based on flawed information and presumptions that I'm very, very cynical in this regard. I think the "he's not eligible hysteria" is just that, hysteria, based on an interpretation of a snippet of a law that makes no sense the way it is interpreted.

I do believe he's hiding something, and the birth certificate would show it.

177 posted on 06/11/2008 4:57:02 AM PDT by kevkrom (2-D fantasy artists wanted: http://faxcelestis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=213)
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To: usmcobra
This nonsense as you call it pertains to the most important political process our country undergoes every four years and the qualifications of the man who maybe our next president. As Citizens we have the right to know what kind of man we may be voting for or if he is even eligible for the position of president.

And your first responsibility is to determine if you even know what you're talking about. Going on a half-baked theory proposed by a blogger who references a snippet of law is no substitute for doing the research into the law itself.

If you think there's something to this, then do the research. As for me, as I said, the blogger's theory doesn't pass the "smell test" in that it is nonsensical to think that the child of a natural born citizen isn't a natural born citizen simply because his parent wasn't 21 years old.

178 posted on 06/11/2008 5:10:41 AM PDT by kevkrom (2-D fantasy artists wanted: http://faxcelestis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=213)
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To: angelsonmyside

Or, he simply doesn’t have a US birth certificate.


179 posted on 06/11/2008 5:16:24 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: kevkrom

Really and how am I supposed to do the research if I don’t even ask the question?

You and every one of the other one of the “Let’s Not go there” crowd have been telling anyone that dares to ask, shut up and don’t ask about his qualifications for the jobs. I agree it is a snippit of some law and is probably wrong but until it has been determined to be wrong or the document in question has been examined how will anyone know the facts if they don’t determine what is fact and what is fiction.

As with any process of elimination first we must have all the possibilities before us and slowly and methodically eliminate them one by one. Your method of doing so is to ignore everything and focus on other issues. Since that is apparently what you are best at I suggest you do so.


180 posted on 06/11/2008 5:21:28 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: usmcobra
Really and how am I supposed to do the research if I don’t even ask the question?

How can you ask the question if you're unwilling to do the research.

You and every one of the other one of the “Let’s Not go there” crowd have been telling anyone that dares to ask, shut up and don’t ask about his qualifications for the jobs.

No, I'm saying show me that there's even a point before going down this road. As you say, it's "probably wrong". Isn't it best to determine what the truth of the relevant law is before dealing with discussion over how such a law would apply?

To put it another way, let's assume every potential supposition about Obama's birth certificate is true. We still haven't answered the key question of whether or not any of it matters -- only the research into what the law says (or in this case, said) would determine that.

181 posted on 06/11/2008 6:09:12 AM PDT by kevkrom (2-D fantasy artists wanted: http://faxcelestis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=213)
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To: kevkrom

Actually if every supposition about the birth certificate is true then:

1)Obama was born in Kenya or British southeast Africa (As African news sources are saying) and he should not be eligible because he was born outside the United States and outside the law as it stood then.

2)His name is not really Barack Obama because he never legally changed it except to the name that he was given in Indonesia when he was adopted.(would you vote for a candidate using an alias to run for president?)

3)His race maybe listed as white or Arab or other (certainly a great embarrassment to the Great Black Hope who isn’t even black to begin with)

4)He may not even have the necessary paperwork to prove he is a natural born citizen (he does however have paperwork to prove he was an Naturalized Indonesian citizen, his adoption papers and a passport as written in his book and Kenya even claims he is one of their citizens although they don’t say how or why they can make that claim)

5)The employees of an Obama supporter that were searching through his passport files “Berger”ized and sanitized them for public consumption in a watergate style electronic break in?

Certainly any one of these deserves questioning (and surely Obama should answer them) instead of the blanket ignore you would call upon the rest of us to do, so that we don’t go off on a wild goose chase you want nothing to do with to begin with.

Frankly it sickens me that as almost always the”cooler” heads want us all to ignore the obvious and take the “high” road and bury this issue, just like they did when it was suggested that he is Muslim, or marxist, or that we cannot say his middle name, or that we cannot question what goes on in his church, or figure out what his relationships with Ayer and Rezko or even comment on him riding around on a bike with a flat tire and a ridiculous probe hanging off the ass end of his seat, meanwhile some of the same “cooler” heads are savaging John McCain for things like being in the middle of the USS Forrestal Fire or actually Mutually divorcing his wife after they both were crippled during his stay in the Hanoi Hilton.

You ask for legal documents, I provided them now let them stand on their own merit and let others judge weather this line of questioning is warranted and quit trying to bully anyone that has these questions into silence.


182 posted on 06/11/2008 7:26:11 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: usmcobra
1)Obama was born in Kenya or British southeast Africa (As African news sources are saying) and he should not be eligible because he was born outside the United States and outside the law as it stood then.

By the same reasoning, John McCain is ineligible because he was born in Panama. Sorry, it doesn't wash -- his mother was a natural born US citizen.

2)His name is not really Barack Obama because he never legally changed it except to the name that he was given in Indonesia when he was adopted.(would you vote for a candidate using an alias to run for president?)

There's nothing illegal about running under an alias, irrelevant.

3)His race maybe listed as white or Arab or other (certainly a great embarrassment to the Great Black Hope who isn’t even black to begin with)

Irrelevant to the discussion of his qualifications.

4)He may not even have the necessary paperwork to prove he is a natural born citizen (he does however have paperwork to prove he was an Naturalized Indonesian citizen, his adoption papers and a passport as written in his book and Kenya even claims he is one of their citizens although they don’t say how or why they can make that claim)

His birth mother is a natural born US citizen.

5)The employees of an Obama supporter that were searching through his passport files “Berger”ized and sanitized them for public consumption in a watergate style electronic break in?

Could be for many reasons, most of which are irrelevant.

Frankly it sickens me that as almost always the”cooler” heads want us all to ignore the obvious and take the “high” road and bury this issue

You ask for legal documents, I provided them now let them stand on their own merit and let others judge weather this line of questioning is warranted and quit trying to bully anyone that has these questions into silence.

I'm not ignoring the obvious, I'm stating the obvious -- that no matter how worked up you get over this, the point still remains -- unless you can show me the law that says there are conditions where the child of a natural born citizen is not in turn a natural born citizen, then you're howling at the moon.

All of your "points" above are 100% irrelevant to Obama's Constitutional qualifications to the office.

Yes, he's clearly hiding something, and as such, it's probably quite embarrassing. But it's more embarrassing to rant about "concerns" over his qualifications when you don't even know if those concerns have any merit. You've provided nothing but a string of irrelevant details.

One last time (and I'm done responding on the subject unless/until this happens), do the research, or find someone who has done the research. Until then, it is no better than idle gossip.

You call it bullying, I call it not acting like a fool.

183 posted on 06/11/2008 7:59:41 AM PDT by kevkrom (2-D fantasy artists wanted: http://faxcelestis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=213)
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To: null and void

I know the thought of him as president makes me queasy.


184 posted on 06/11/2008 8:04:37 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: kevkrom

Addtional:

6)The birth certificate has Obama listed as a Muslim.(Yeah I know he “converted” to the brand of Christianity The Nation of Islam supports)

7)the Name on it is “Barry Soetoro” and his father is listed as “Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo” (Which quite honestly would take some explaining that those of his supporters that have the attention span of a gnat couldn’t stay awake through)

You think this is a race about issues, you’re wrong, this is a race about the Man to Obama’s supporters it doesn’t matter one Iota about the issues he is the Man. And if we won’t attack the Man for who or what he is we might as well concede right now because on the issues he says nothing with great emphasis.


185 posted on 06/11/2008 8:07:01 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: kevkrom

McCain was born to two US citizens on a US Military installation, not quite the same thing, even so they were entitled to apply for a certificate from the local US Consulate to grant him native Born status even if he had been born in Panama.

Because of the possiblity that Obama is illegitimate the rules are different in that respect as I have shown in the case I linked to. Illegitimate children have a whole different set of guidelines concerning their possibility for citizenship, for instance the children of American Fathers must have acknowledgment and support from their father in order to claim it, while the Child of an American Mother must have his or her Mother located in the United States for a certain period of time as described by US law, You know that obscure snippet of the law that you kept seeing and complaining about.

Also as I have shown you in my link to a ruling on the matter Ignorance of the law is no excuse, you cannot say for instance I didn’t know I was supposed to reaffirm my American citizenship at eighteen which may be the case with Obama after he was granted Indonesian naturalized citizenship through the adoption process if he traveled anywhere on an Indonesian passport and did not reaffirm his American Citizenship (assuming he was a citizen to begin with) then using that Indonesian passport is tantamount to renouncing his American citizenship, natural born or naturalized.

Given that his Mother converted to Islam and had a certain hatred for the United States at the time it is entirely possible that he did travel using Indonesian documents and a passport and would be required to reaffirm his citizenship at eighteen.

Too obscure for the Average American? Tough! That is the law of the land, they should know if the man they may elect president is legally entitled to run for the office.


186 posted on 06/11/2008 8:32:18 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: kevkrom
And his birth certificate isn't the only thing he isn't releasing

Dare I say it Obama seems to have a lot to hide, I wonder why?

187 posted on 06/11/2008 9:18:39 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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