Posted on 06/10/2008 6:37:18 PM PDT by BloodOrFreedom
A retired steelworker who served as a Nazi guard should be deported even though the United States granted him a visa in 1956, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday.
Anton Geiser's work as a guard meets the type of persecutory conduct banned under the Refugee Relief Act, which was in effect when he entered the U.S., the ruling said.
Geiser, 83, did not cite his Nazi ties on his visa application, but he is not accused of lying about them. Files from the period have been lost and it is not clear what questions he was asked.
His lawyer, Adrian N. Roe, argued to the court this year that guards not deemed war criminals were sometimes allowed in by the State Department. He complained that the Justice Department, in its efforts to expel former Nazis, was revisiting decisions made a half-century ago.
But the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court, which focused on the language of the Refugee Relief Act, said Geiser should have his U.S. citizenship revoked and be deported.
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I seriously doubt he volunteered to be a guard . And you just couldn’t tell the Nazis you’d rather not be a guard . The guy is 83 - give him a break .
Where could they deport him? Germany, I guess. What will the Germans do? Jail for an 83 year old? Weird
I agree. The time to convict and deport him was back when he initially came here. Since the government missed that opportunity, and this man has become integrated fully into our society, might as well let him stay.
83, 93 or a 103. He gets the same break as they gave those who were sent to the ovens in the concentration camps! Like my great-grandparents on both sides of the family!
But look on the bright side, Obergruppenfeurer Buchanan probably feels the same way you do.
Pat Buchanan, Mr Pat Buchanan, white courtesy phone! There's a "former" Nazi that needs defending.
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Feel the same way about, say, Eichmann or Mengele (may they rot in hel*)? I would hope not.
No, that's not true, they were virtually all volunteers.
I'll give him the break I'd give any illegal who lied to enter this country, strip him of his citizenship. Deport him if a nation will take him, most don't want the stench, if not, let the sleaze live his life out here as an illegal alien.
Give him a break, based on what?
To what other criminals do you extend a "break".
Illegal immigrants who obtain citizenship illegally, what do you suggest as a statute of limitations?
Probably nowhere, which is fine. Let the scumbag be stripped of his citizenship, and await his eventual reward in dishonor, honor in some circles.
As to Germany, this guy doesn't ring an immediate bell, but in general they're deported to any nation pressing criminal charges, rare, otherwise to wherever they came from, which is usually unclear.
He won't, but don't you love it. Hard working Catholics of the brown skin variety, not welcome, members of the SS, come on down, what did they do wrong.
“He gets the same break as they gave those who were sent to the ovens in the concentration camps!”
Fine, but why does Dept Justice continue to ignore COMMUNIST genocidal scum hiding in this country.
When do we get our FIRST prosecution of those that muredered 100 million in the last century?
I think he already got one.
Because no one in their home country cares.
And no one here cares.
They have to speak up, and they don't.
Because they don't, do you advocate a pass for the SS member who entered illegally.
This government can deport an 83-year-old former Nazi guard, but balks at rounding up a couple million Mexicans who came ashore yesterday? Or a hundred thousand towelhead agitators whose sole desire is to wreak havoc on innocent Americans? I’d take 10 ex-Nazis for every muslime, and throw in a ‘65 Chevy full of Mejicanos to boot.
If he is 83 now, he would have been 20 when the war ended. While I have no time for the atrocities that happened in Germany before and during WWII, I have a hard trouble accepting him as a “war criminal” based on his age.
You're advocating citizenship for the SS.
That's fine, but jihadists, what the hell is your problem with them?
Kill the Jews, erase Christianity, same program.
Get on board!
Mexicans, no they're not on board in the same way.
Perhaps my comment was harsh, but think about the standards you're advocating for a moment.
Not the guys age, I don't care where he dies, but what he represents.
If he can come here, jihadists can come here.
No one is accusing him of being a war criminal, that's up to his home country, wherever that is, who I suspect is disinterested.
The issue is his citizenship and illegal entry.
I'm open to amnesty under some conditions, not for SS members I admit, but what are you suggesting, in terms of time and criminal activity.
No, but he did volunteer for the SS, which is bad enough.
I’m with you on this. Suddenly there is a statue of limitations on millions of murders?
It would be nice if we started to prosecute communists. Too bad the left killed it with McCarthy.
And instead of lying his way into the US, he could have gone to Sweden, or any number of nations who would have had him, without lying.
Not directed to you, but to the very many open borders advocates on FR, I understand your position but I disagree, I think America can choose who we allow to be citizens.
Even more, which means he would have been about 13 - 14 years of age when it started!!!
We're not prosecuting this guy.
I'd be happy to throw them out, but who is identifying them and raising the alarm?
Communists from asia have been deported. Japanese war criminals, yes a while ago.
Cambodia.
Africa.
The standard is persecution of the civilian population, and that case simply hasn't been made for eastern European Communists.
Not questioning it's validity, simply pointing out that no one is crying out.
“They have to speak up, and they don’t.”
You must be joking - not only are the Feds not prosecuting, but they are deniers - you even have idiots like Schumer who dont want to do anything to piss off the Kremlin and in fact want to give back europe to the russkies so they will be nice to us.
No one was accused of being a War Criminal for JUST being a guard. Likely there is testimonial evidence that he was a high-ranking or particularly vicious guard...not just a schmuck who was drafted.
Many thousands of culpable, willing Nazi war criminals were never tried, due to "cold war" prerogatives (more valuable working for us than in prison) or more often bungles in paper work (or wor$e).
Just because he's old and mistakes were made 50 years ago, doesn't mean we should let off a suspected multiple murderer. If the evidence survives to legally convict him, and a court using due process has it proven to them, he should not be let off for crimes done...even a long time ago.
Facing trial doesn't mean facing conviction--and you can't tell me it's easy to convict someone on 65+ year old evidence.
PS: I have a German friend--nicest, gentlest guy you'd ever meet--whose father was convicted as a war criminal at Neurenburg. According to my friend, to his dying day he was a paranoid unreconstructed Nazi. They do still exist.
No, I'm not joking.
The Feds, I presume you mean the American government.
Please, detail for me the post-Nuremburg prosecutions.
Prosecutions, for crimes.
We don't prosecute them, we just throw them out, prosecution is left to wherever they end up. Or the UN in rare cases.
I don't disagree with with you, but the impetus must come from the victims, particularly the victims in the former Soviet states. I'm sorry it's not happening, I recognize the fact that the same folk may be in power, but I don't know that there's much the US can do. Unless the perpetrator are here. In which case we throw them out, as we should, and their home counties do nothing.
He lied to enter this nation, he's being thrown out. This isn't a criminal issue. My guess he won't be charged with anything, anywhere, he just won't be an American anymore.
“No, I’m not joking.”
Then you dont know what youre talking about.
http://www.cjc.ca/template.php?action=itn&Story=1287
Its funny how quickly Commies get religious when prosecution is demanded. I find it appalling that any religious orgnanization can take these leftist scum under their wing.
His illegal entry seems to be a US govt error (no evidence to say otherwise stated). From the quote below, it appears that they made quite a few of them.
To further quote the article:
The Justice Department's Office of Special Investigation has been pursuing naturalized citizens with alleged Nazi ties for three decades. The office has prevailed in more than 100 cases, leading to at least 65 deportations, a spokeswoman previously said.
Funny. The government seems to take that position with all the illegals who infest our country.
One thing to keep in mind: The Hitler Youth program started in the early 20s, and was VERY popular. After Hitler it became required of all able bodied boys and girls to be a part.
Certainly this man, aged 13 when the war started, was a product of the Hitler Youth...and therefore among the most fanatical of all of the Fuhrer’s followers. He never would have been accepted in the SS if that were not the case.
I have no problem finding it plausible that a teen-aged SS guard, of that era, could be a war criminal.
Our own experience of teen-aged gang members shows that some of the younger ones—if they are raised in that environment—can be the most vicious, violent and the most psychopathic.
The Nazis were, after all, the most evil sort of gang who took over most of Europe...
Let a court in his home country figure it out—the Nazi SOB lied to get in the country—America is better than the likes of ex-SS guards.
He wasn't a member of the SS?
He didn't lie about it?
Then he should stay.
And America will be better with one less Nazi here.
And you bet criminals get "religion" when it's to their benefit.
OK, Cannuk Canadians are accusing Cannuk Jews of a war crime during WWII.
Life's a bitch, and war crimes are hard to prove.
I don't know what happened, maybe the Jew killed a Ukranian, I just don't know.
It's up to the Ukraine to prefer charges, then look to extradition from whatever.
You present this as a defence of an illegal immigrant to the United States?
That's very strange.
BTW, Canada let's all kinds of folk in, if the topic of this thread went to Canada, we wouldn't be discussing this.
Yes, though I admit it's getting old.
He didn't stop being a Nazi because the Turd Reich met it's well deserved demise. He was a Nazi, period. Hitler Youth, anyone?
Besides, age has bupkes to do with "war criminal". When does he stop being one? 41? How about 43? 65? He retires from being a Nazi? He graduates to from Momser to Pillar of Society because he got older?
Spare me. This man lived a long life .. longer than millions of Jews that he and his ilk slaughtered, did. They didn't graduate, they died with numbers on their arm.
So, now he's an old Nazi. He should be made to stand at Majdanek and stare at the pile of ash that used to be Jews. Screw him, and the rest of his Nazi brothers.
“The issue is his citizenship and illegal entry.”
I guess, ICE, DOJ and the Fed Circuit Courts really nailed the issue. Maybe the investigators, too.
I’m not saying he’s not a Nazi or wasn’t a Nazi. I just remember the old Germans I said hello to in the 70s and the occasional American who ran off to the White Mountains to avoid military service in WWII because they sympathized. They were Nazis themselves, I am certain.
But the world is different now. Our problems aren’t from WWII and Korean War times. Not even Nam—at least for the people who weren’t cowardly enough not to serve. This guy is one of the last of his kind and his generation. The story ends there to my way of thinking. If we deport him and bear that expense, he can go back to the old country, have a nice lake house place or a flat in Kitzingen or somewhere and not have had to pay travel costs.
Saw your tag.
Israel is finding a load of oil offshore, I hear.
Couldn’t resist a jibe at Pat Buchanan, could ya? BTW I suggest that you pick up a book by John Sack entitled “An Eye For an Eye.” This book documents in vivid detail the atrocities committed by Jews against Germans just before and after WW II. Yes, Jews were not just innocent victims.
Send him to Germany or send him into low earth orbit.
Don’t care where.
There is no place in the United States for those who supported the Nazis.
I don’t care how old he is.
Oh, I see. The Jews deserved it ... there’s a new spin worthy of a Buchanan acolyte. Color me surprised ...
I understand why you would ... the Muslims want to kill you. The Nazis only killed Jews.
And one of them went on to become UN General Secretary.
No mercy for Nazi scum!
“Life’s a bitch, and war crimes are hard to prove.”
No, actually its impossible to prove only if the criminal is a commie but if they are anticommunist, they are railroaded by the leftist Justice Dept and Fed govt very easily.
Do I have to remind you of the Demjaniuk who was thrown into jail based on a phoney “Ivan the Terrible” ID card provided by the KGB?
He was saved from frying by the Supreme Court in Israel and now the Feds have prosecuted him again!
And how dare you call these Commie butchers Jewish!
My family knew these heathens and the only time they went to synagogue (or church) in the 20’s & 30’s was to burn them down!
And rather than a quick read, I suggest you be more thorough. It is quite clear that these genocidal scum were BRAGGING about the wanton murder of civilians - they even wrote books.
In short they have confessed. But where is the prosecution?
Why the denial?
“Elsewhere in Ukraine, another Montreal man — Nahun Kohn — was fighting for much of the war with a partisan group who routinely killed anti-Soviet Ukrainians... In one such attack, “bullets were flying hot and thick, and one of our bullets set the hut on fire,” Mr. Kohn wrote in a memoir. “We watched it burn, and we made sure that nobody escaped from the flames.” “
Your defense of the refusal by the Feds to prosecute these scum is beneath contempt and I am not sure why a commie defender would want to be at FR.
I mean what part of “The communists killed 100 million in the last century and there has not been one prosecution.” do you not understand?
I have no problem with deporting communists, we have deported a few from places like Cambodia, but as I pointed out no one tracks these people to my knowledge. Since you know of war criminals residing in the United States, I'd suggest you bring them to the attention of the authorities. We deport lots of people for persecution, it's only Nazis that bring out defenders.
As to Your defense of the refusal by the Feds to prosecute these scum is beneath contempt and I am not sure why a commie defender would want to be at FR. feel free to make your case. There's no doubt in my mind that FR will throw me out every bit as quick as they thow out Nazis and racists.
“We certainly never prosecuted Demjaniuk for anything”
BWAHAHAHA - You don’t think that stripping citizenship and deportation does not require a slew of prosecutors from the Dept of Justice!
Actually, given Demjaniuk’s vindication by Israels Supreme Court and the Dept of Justices double jeapordy reaction, it is not only prosecution but persecution - and you with your obfuscation are culpable.
PS- Have you noticed that your dozens of posts in the last hours have averaged the lowest reponses? Hmmmm. If you have nothing to offer FR, you might reconsider your Spamposting.
He wasn't vindicated, the Court noted he was clearly a camp guard, but probably not Ivan the Terrible, and that since Ivan's crimes were the basis of his extradition he should be returned to the US.
There's no more question that he entered the US illegally than there is that he was one of the handful of Russian POWs who volunteered to serve in the SS.
PS- Have you noticed that your dozens of posts in the last hours have averaged the lowest reponses? Hmmmm. If you have nothing to offer FR, you might reconsider your Spamposting.
Hadn't, no, enjoy your stalking. Your opinion is on no consequence to me. If you think I should be banned as a communist sympathizer as you noted in the last post, contact the mods.
I believe in free speech, but not stupid speech.
I’ll ask you one more time.
What part of “The communists killed 100 million in the last century and the Feds have not hounded one murderer” do you not understand?
Why are you compelled to stick up for these thugs?
PS The Israel Supreme Court did NOT make any such finding and you are merely spouting the Kremlin Party line.
To what country do you pledge allegiance?
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