Posted on 06/10/2008 8:33:22 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
It's been 24 years since a Republican candidate for president came out on top in Washington state. Given our longtime blue-state status, what chance does John McCain have of beating Barack Obama here? For that matter, will he even try?
So far, the McCain campaign has sent mixed signals.
When McCain held a fundraiser in Bellevue — including a $31,000 per person "Victory Dinner" — none of the money raised that evening went to the Washington State Republican Party.
Instead, it was divided among the McCain campaign, the national GOP and the state parties in places that both sides view as key battlegrounds: Colorado, Minnesota, New Mexico and Wisconsin.
A "strategy brief" video on McCain's campaign Web site lists Washington as a "toss-up" state. But it does not mention Washington among the swing states where the campaign believes it has "really unique opportunities" to beat Obama.
State GOP Chairman Luke Esser said he thinks McCain could compete in Washington. But, he added, state Republicans first must prove "that we have our act together."
(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...
Consider the circumstances surrounding Gregoire’s election as governor. Would you bother?
Blue from lack of oxygen to the brain.
I think that there will be some differences from the past two Presidential elections in terms of voting patterns. Washington state isn’t hopeless IMHO.
Seattle Times is the newspaper that made headlines for having the entire editorial staff throw a party when Karl Rove’s retirement news became reality...they’re so left they make the LA Times look like the GOP newsletter.
LOL! Right out of the gate on that comment. I was going there too.
This has to be the most depressing presidential election of my lifetime. I really would like to support McCain, but it seems every week he says or does something to make it difficult to do so, and this is giving him the benefit of the doubt and forgetting his past regarding conservatism.
I’m still in disbelief that McCain is the nominee. I keep expecting to wake up one day and see a REAL conservative running as if what is happening is some type of bad dream. Obama is the most liberal, and most beatable leftist who has ever ran for president. It is a SHAME that the republicans managed to nominate the only candidate who could lose against him. What is sad is even if McCain wins, what do we actually gain?
/cry
“if McCain wins, what do we actually gain?”
A better Supreme Court, with the overturning of Roe vs. Wade a possibility. McCain wasn’t my first choice, but he’s pretty good on life issues.
First, if McCain desires conservative "support," perhaps it is he who "must get HIS act together.
What real Conservative do you have in mind?
You said a mouthful. Good job.
I liked Fred Thompson, but he never got his act together. I'd still prefer him over McCain at this point in time.
It isn’t hopeless but let’s face it - it’s close to tailor made for Obama. With Hillary we would have a good shot here. With Obama the national campaign would have to get an awful lot of traction for it to be truly competitive here.
The point is that McCain is it. If you want to fight Islamo Fascism instead of surrendering to it, is there really any choice but to vote for John McCain?
I can't think of a reason to expect that from McCain. He said we would appoint conservatives, but he has no real loyalty for conservatives. I would expect another Souter from McCain if anything.
McCain might write off the Red voters in Washington, but never the Blue voters, those are who views as his base voters.
Yeah, and they’re the more conservative of the two Seattle dailies.
Back on election night of 2000, the political color scheme got reversed, so that conservatives were reds and blue stood for Democrat liberalism. I don’t know quite how that happened.
Actually McCain has explicitly said Souter would not be an acceptable pick for him because he would want a strong track record (like Roberts).
The other problem with using the argument that McCain would truly appoint conservative judges whenever the opportunity presented itself is that if the political makeup of next years U.S. Senate turns out to be overwhelmingly socialistic with a veto proof majority of socialists and with McCain as the next POTUS, then such a U.S. Senate would just reject any and all of McCain’s conservative judicial choices.
yes, it is hopeless.
unless we dig up RR to run another 49-state sweep!
if i were mccain i would spend all my time in 4 swing states.
“Is (Washington) state so blue, McCain will write us off?”
Considering how much the lefties have just loved the idiot for so many years, he should be competitive here.
“if McCain wins, what do we actually gain?”
A better Supreme Court, with the overturning of Roe vs. Wade a possibility.
With the Dims if full control of the Senate? You really want to stick with that argument?
“Blue from lack of oxygen to the brain.”
That was probably contributing factor to Obama’s huge win over Hillary in Washington - 65% to 35% or so as I recall. I think states where old-school democrats that voted for Clinton (union workers with a gun rack in the truck) will be better suited for McCain.
What a friggin stoopid move. McCain has always been received well by dems. To now all of a sudden, say: "Simon Says, villify him" will sound very suspect to the swing voters. Dem strategy is ridiculous. If they were serious about wooing the voters that they don't already have, they should take an approach like, 'he deserves respect on this and that, but it's not near enough.'
That's the curious thing about MoveOn, it only speaks/rallys the votes that they already have locked up?
Indeed.
They loved him in the Senate. His lib fans have used him and deluded him into thinking that they like him. They would not vote for him. He may garner some Hillary votes, but not enough to make a difference. He should just go hme and drink his wife’s Bud. Would you vote for Lieberman for President over Duncan?
“Would you vote for Lieberman for President over Duncan?”
No. Liebermann is to the left of Juan. I like Joe on a personal level but some folks around these parts have deluded themselves into thinking that because he is likable AND Pro-War that makes him somehow a Conservative. These people honestly believe that the WOT is the only thing that matters to anybody.
These are going to (IMHO) be some very unhappy people on election night.
Some conservatives are withholding support for McCain. Here is my response to those that are on the fence:
1. McCain is a moderate-to-conservative, Obama was rated *most liberal* Senator in the Senate last year. McCain is better on taxes, Judges, Iraq, Iran, GWOT, right-to-life, gun rights, earmarks/spending, and gay marriage (Obama will use his bully pulpit to encourage it)
2. McCain is a capable and experienced man who served the country his whole life, even spending 5 years in a POW camp. Obama has spent a lifetime raised and associated with radicals, marxists, and leftwing activists; he has served ‘the cause’ of leftwing politics only and nothing else. He has no accomplishments worthy of note except getting elected.
3. Ideology aside, and putting just the basic protection of the country on the line, there is no comparison - McCain is better.
4. We vote based on who is best for the country as top priority. Republican conservatives can clean up the mess of RINO poop in the RNC later as a secondary priority, but the top priority of a patriot is what is best for America. Country before party!
5. Based on #1, #2 and #3, McCain is far far better for this country than Obama. Neither man is ‘evil’, but far more bad things will happen to USA if Obama is elected.
6. You never win by losing. The most leftwing President in American history - Obama - will be a huge blow to the conservative cause. Anyone who thinks otherwise is on drugs.
You take a chance with McCain’s appointments, maybe.
You can bet the farm on what Obama will appoint.
I’ll take the chance.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
At this point I'd be happy to wake up and see a REAL republican running.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Any serious Republican candidate for President should totally refrain from flushing any money down hopeless socialist toilets like New Jersey, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, California, and Washington. That’s just smart money management.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Its all Dem strongholds.
There aren’t just enough conservatives to deliver them to the GOP
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The good news is he won’t need conservatives, just get enough of the 38% that don’t vote in WA to the polls. My guess is those people will be found in every place west of King County. Hover around this map - http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html
Also, get rid of the voter fraud. Without it, Kerry probably would not have done this well.
WA 2004 with voting age turnout of 62%:
Kerry 1,510,201 52.82%
Bush 1,304,894 45.64%
Same for OR. http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html
Most of the state went for Bush. He only lost by less than 100K votes.
OR 2004 with voting age turnout of 68%:
Kerry 943,163 51.35%
Bush 866,831 47.19%
Most of CA is Bush country. Get the folks inland out to vote. With only 48% voter turnout, there should be some effort put into the state.
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html
CA 2004 with voting age turnout of 48%:
Kerry 6,745,485 54.31%
Bush 5,509,826 44.36%
I agree. Except, I would have settled for a reliable Republican.
I feel badly for the posters who believe that McCain will provide better SCOTUS picks. I really don't see anyone with a conservative bent being confirmed by the Senate Dims. So, 2 liberal judges will be replaced by two liberal judges. It's a wash.
“f you want to fight Islamo Fascism instead of surrendering to it, is there really any choice but to vote for John McCain?”
I’m interested in fighting UN fascism coming in the back door via the global warming scam. How’s Mr. McCain doing on that issue?
WA Ping
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