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Surgery Offers Muslim Women Illusion of Virginity
N Y Times Online ^ | June 11, 2008 | Elaine Sciolino

Posted on 06/11/2008 4:12:32 AM PDT by nikos1121

PARIS — The operation in the private clinic off the Champs-Élysées involved one semicircular cut, 10 dissolving stitches and a discounted fee of $2,900.

But for the patient, a 23-year-old French student of Moroccan descent from Montpellier, the 30-minute procedure represented the key to a new life: the illusion of virginity.

Like an increasing number of Muslim women in Europe, she had a hymenoplasty, a restoration of her hymen, the vaginal membrane that normally breaks in the first act of intercourse.

“In my culture, not to be a virgin is to be dirt,” said the student, perched on a hospital bed as she awaited surgery on Thursday. “Right now, virginity is more important to me than life.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arabs; hymenoplasty; islam; muslimwomen; surgery; virginity
Hypocrits.
1 posted on 06/11/2008 4:12:32 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121

sounds like time for a new culture


2 posted on 06/11/2008 4:16:14 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: nikos1121

Islam is totally devoid of any sense of morality whatsoever. This article says it all about the cult of falsehoods and death, but in their religion, not being a virgin could get them killed. Twisted beyond words.


3 posted on 06/11/2008 4:22:39 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: babble-on
“Right now, virginity is more important to me than life.”
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No sweetie, without it you loose your life to an honor killing. Now put your burka back on.

4 posted on 06/11/2008 4:23:13 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (Huh?)
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To: nikos1121; Sidebar Moderator

What in the world does this particular article have to do with Elections/Politics, Democrats and Obama?


5 posted on 06/11/2008 4:46:51 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (The LibertyRocks Blog - http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com & http://www.LibertyRocks.us)
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To: nikos1121
Hypocrits.

If you are a Muslim woman who has been raped, this might be the only way to avoid an honor killing.

6 posted on 06/11/2008 4:48:42 AM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: ishabibble
Islam is totally devoid of any sense of morality whatsoever. This article says it all about the cult of falsehoods and death, but in their religion, not being a virgin could get them killed. Twisted beyond words.

Just a thought, but maybe instead of getting elective surgery that has no medical value, women who think this is necessary to avoid being beaten to death on their wedding night should reconsider saying "I do" with a guy who would kill over the lack of an intact hymen. I know that it's hard to find the perfect man, but asking that he not be a homicidal maniac with a hair trigger strikes me as a reasonable baseline.

7 posted on 06/11/2008 4:49:21 AM PDT by RogerD (Educaiton Profesionul)
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To: nikos1121

I’m amazed the NYT used such an accurate headline for this.

That said, this is pretty old news.


8 posted on 06/11/2008 4:53:18 AM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: nikos1121

I hope there are also surgeons working on ways to make her future husband appear to be a real man.

The article is really troubling, though, on another level. The writer goes beyond criticizing the mohammedan insanity in this area and refers to the preference for a bride to be a virgin as a “prejudice” and seems to suggest that virginity is some silly old vestige of a bygone era, like powdered wigs on men.


9 posted on 06/11/2008 4:55:56 AM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: RogerD

but asking that he not be a homicidal maniac with a hair trigger strikes me as a reasonable baseline.

Apparently not.

As an aside, I’m not sure in what context to understand the hair trigger part?


10 posted on 06/11/2008 4:57:28 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: RogerD

You would think, huh? :)


11 posted on 06/11/2008 5:01:05 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: RogerD

When I was an embassy guard in Egypt in the late 80’s, this procedure was common back then. The women would fly to Europe to get it done. Limited of course, to those with the means. The rest: SOL. Except for the upper middle class and above, most women didn’t have the final vote when deciding who they married. Egypt was considered one of the most progressive Muslim nations then.


12 posted on 06/11/2008 5:02:57 AM PDT by Salvavida (Restoring the U.S.A. starts with filling the empty pew at a local Bible-believing church.)
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To: wita
As an aside, I’m not sure in what context to understand the hair trigger part?

Not in the sense of a pun, of course, just in terms of how little it takes to set off rage. Instantaneously changing your wedding night plans to murder instetad of romance is different from the carefully planned suicide bombing of a group of Danes you've never met because they're from the same country as a cartoonist. Going from "till death do us part" to beating her to death in the span of a few hours seems to suggest that the men for whom women have this surgery are easily set off. I'm not sure why a woman would want to marry a man when as little a thing as a torn hymen (which can happen through the same level of sexual activity as many of these men have engaged in, but also in sports or even riding a bike around the neighborhood) is seen a justification for murdering her. How could a woman ever feel safe around a man who is set off that easily?

Maybe I'm a sissy, but as a guy I can't imagine getting cosmetic surgery on a sensitive portion of my body just to keep a prospective spouse from beating me to death. No matter what good qualities a potential partner had, given a choice between:(1) allowing a doctor to do needlepoint down there for decorative reasons, (2) being beaten to death, or (3) finding someone sane to marry, I would not have given much consideration to options 1 and 2.

13 posted on 06/11/2008 5:15:15 AM PDT by RogerD (Educaiton Profesionul)
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To: nikos1121

said the student, perched on a hospital bed

Perched?? Does she have long toe nails?? Sits like a bird?


14 posted on 06/11/2008 5:24:27 AM PDT by bikerman (_ _ . /_ _ _ /_ . . / / . . . . / . / . _ . . / . _ _ . / / . . _ / . . . //)
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To: nikos1121

They can restore their hymen. They can not restore their virginity.


15 posted on 06/11/2008 5:34:19 AM PDT by bluegirl
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To: LibertyRocks

hhahahahahahahahahahaha!!! glad u caught that...uu tellme!


16 posted on 06/11/2008 5:35:02 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Thank you, Jimmy Carter for all you've done to make the world a safer place.)
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To: nikos1121

one reborn every minute


17 posted on 06/11/2008 5:53:49 AM PDT by Wavrnr10
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To: wita
As an aside, I’m not sure in what context to understand the hair trigger part?

When you base your 'religion' on the subjugation of women, insults to 'honor' requiring murder, and a belief in killing anyone who does not believe as you do, and a vast inferiority complex, you need to have a hair trigger response.

18 posted on 06/11/2008 6:00:14 AM PDT by Pistolshot (When you let what you are define who you are, you create divisiveness.)
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To: RogerD

You think the women undergoing this have any choice about who they’re going to marry? Remember, not marrying the man their families have chosen, or worse yet, marrying a different man, would be just as much a spark for an honor killing...

I feel sorry for poor Muslim girls who don’t realize they’re technically not virgin enough due to exercise or something. It really does happen.


19 posted on 06/11/2008 6:13:31 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
You think the women undergoing this have any choice about who they’re going to marry? Remember, not marrying the man their families have chosen, or worse yet, marrying a different man, would be just as much a spark for an honor killing...

At least among the wealthier girls (and I've taught a few from families like this) who have the freedom and finances to get cosmetic surgery, many also have the resources to make a choice on marriage. It might mean leaving the family completely, with no further contact, but I think that is an entirely rational response to a family that considers "honor killing" an option.

I feel sorry for poor Muslim girls who don’t realize they’re technically not virgin enough due to exercise or something. It really does happen.

I know it happens, and I find it disgusting. Unfortunately, as you say, the poor girls may not have any choice at all, not even the option of cosmetic surgery to restore their "virginity".

20 posted on 06/11/2008 6:26:02 AM PDT by RogerD (Educaiton Profesionul)
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To: nikos1121

I’m not sure why everyone seems to have a problem with muslim men wanting to marry virgins. Up until the 70’s most American men fully expected their wives to be virgins on their wedding day. Now we are surprised when 15 YO girls are virgins. If the woman falsely represents herself as a virgin (i.e. LIES), why should the guy be forced to marry a liar and a slut. I realize that admitting you are no virgin can get you killed, but unless these women are being forced to marry, find a guy where this isn’t a huge issue.


21 posted on 06/11/2008 7:16:41 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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To: nikos1121
Right now, virginity is more important to me than life.

Two interesting things here to me. 1) The freaks that would kill a woman who is not a virgin at marriage, 2) a woman that would "lose" her virginity knowing it could get her killed.

22 posted on 06/11/2008 7:22:51 AM PDT by IamConservative (Character: What you do when no one is looking.)
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To: All

How about just a certificate of virginity, one carrying the signature of Mohammad? As an alternative to costly surgery, I could maybe let them go for, say 500 scoots. Takers?


23 posted on 06/11/2008 11:51:49 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: DPMD

I think this is a good idea.. Kind of like Prime USDA beef..stamp on their @ss...and these Arab guys will be able to show it to their friends...

Let’s not forget that Obama is a Muslim...


24 posted on 06/11/2008 7:19:56 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Thank you, Jimmy Carter for all you've done to make the world a safer place.)
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To: nikos1121

thanks, bfl


25 posted on 06/11/2008 8:13:42 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: RogerD
Just a thought, but maybe instead of getting elective surgery that has no medical value, women who think this is necessary to avoid being beaten to death on their wedding night should reconsider saying "I do" with a guy who would kill over the lack of an intact hymen.

In that horrid culture, a lot of girls or women don't have the choice to reconsider. These marriages are often a business arrangement between two families. More specifically, the fathers of the hapless bride and groom.

26 posted on 06/16/2008 6:58:07 AM PDT by Allegra (If you lived here, you'd be home by now.)
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