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Vegan girl, 12, 'has spine of 80-year-old'
Times Online ^ | 6/8/08 | Mark Macaskill

Posted on 06/11/2008 10:38:39 AM PDT by Dawnsblood

A girl of 12 brought up by her parents on a strict vegan diet has been admitted to hospital with a degenerative bone condition said to have left her with the spine of an 80-year-old.

Doctors are under pressure to report the couple, from Glasgow, to police and social workers amid concerns her health and welfare may have been neglected in pursuit of their beliefs.

The youngster, fed on a strict meat- and dairy-free diet from birth, is being treated at the city’s Royal Hospital for Sick Children. She is said to have a severe form of rickets and to have suffered a number of fractured bones. The condition is caused by a lack of vitamin D, which is needed to absorb calcium and is found in liver, oily fish and dairy produce.

Dr Faisal Ahmed, the consultant treating the child, said he believed the dangers of forcing children to follow a strict vegan diet needed to be highlighted. “Something like this needs publicity,” he said. However, he refused to blame the parents, who are understood to be well-known figures in Glasgow’s vegan community: “We shouldn’t name and shame . Mum feels guilty about the whole thing and feels bad about it.”

Jonathan Sher, head of policy at Children in Scotland, said: “If the consequence of parental behaviour is physical, mental or emotional harm to a child, then the child protection system should become involved.” Bill Aitken, justice spokesman for the Scottish Conservatives, added: “If the youngster is coming to clinical harm, something must be done.”

In 2001, British vegans Hazmik and Garabet Manuelyan, from Staines, were sentenced to three years’ community rehabilitation after they admitted starving daughter Arenai, 10 months, to death. She had been fed nothing but breast milk, raw fruit, vegetables and nuts.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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To: HamiltonJay
What culture is totally without meat and fish? Even if you don't eat meat often, say once a week or so, that's enough. I'm thinking of the poorest people I ever knew, in Haiti, and they would catch fish to supplement their rice and bean diet (and most of them had chickens so they got the eggs and the occasional hen who quit laying.) Even rural Southern sharecroppers back in the 60s had fatback in their greens and usually a chicken now and then.
51 posted on 06/11/2008 11:21:53 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Bobkk47
Had pre-man and early man not developed into meat eaters, the human race would not have developed a high level of intelligence. Meat is nutritionally dense, while plant matter is nutritionally sparse. Eating meat gave man time to do other things like developing tools and other technological innovations.

Sez you. Man was created a vegitarian, and the pre-flood earth, a worldwide greehouse, produced enough nutrients in plant matter to support a healthy diet. Post flood, however, meat was on the menu, because the vapor canopy was gone, nutritious food was reduced significantly, and meat was protein rich. Ask the dinosaurs, they went exticnt because of it!

52 posted on 06/11/2008 11:23:41 AM PDT by jimmyray
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To: mnehrling
You are exactly correct. We are omnivorous. We have a set of teeth like ursids. Bears eat meat and bears eat plants. Our molars are structurally the same. We do not have teeth like lions or wolves. We have no carnasial teeth (shearing teeth). Neither do we have teeth like horses or deer (designed for masticating vegetables.

We have enzymes to disgest vegetable and animal products. Lions do not disgest grasses well. Horses don't handle, gastronomically speaking) beefburgers.

53 posted on 06/11/2008 11:23:41 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (I)
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To: Dawnsblood

Poor Vegans just aren’t used to Earth’s gravity.


54 posted on 06/11/2008 11:25:41 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick
Someone needs to declare the tofudabeast an endangered species and spare us all!
55 posted on 06/11/2008 11:29:59 AM PDT by woollyone (100 rounds per week totals 5000 rounds in a year. Just thought you'd want to know.)
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To: Dawnsblood

I saw this show about how how making a purely vegan marshmellow was considered the holy grail of veganism cooking.
One of Marshmellows main ingrediants is gelatin, which is a animal based product. And they have not been able to find anything that can mimic its qualities to properly create a completely vegan marshmellow that looks and tastes like one.
They had this one lady who had been had by some kosher food supply company that was supplying what they claimed was non-animal based gelatin. She used it and made a ton of money selling her vegan marshmellows. Then some strict vegans who suspected something wasn’t right, took it to be analyzed, and it came with back that is was animal based gelatin.
They interviewed these people and they looked like the walking dead. They were in their 50’s and looked and moved like they were in their 80’s. Those people should be the poster childs for anyone who believes the human body can support such a diet.


56 posted on 06/11/2008 11:32:46 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: AnAmericanMother

There are cultures that embrace vegitarianism, they replace the complex carbs omnivores get from meat with combinations of beans and rice. Most larger ones have Hindu histories.

What these cultures do not have, though which these parents stupidly had, was the stupid stupid extreme vegan nonsense that you don’t eat any dairy products.

None that are historically vegitarian have ever banned milk and dairy, that’s a uniquely modern wester 60s hippie leftover nonsensical creation.


57 posted on 06/11/2008 11:35:23 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Dawnsblood

Don’t even get me started on Veganism. My father was convinced by a group of charlatans that veganism is a “Biblical diet”, and would cure everything from warts to cancer. After having a lung resected about 4 years ago, he was taken in by these folks. After about 3 months of intensive carrot therapy, his doctor could find no cancer anywhere.

This “remission” was termed by the Biblical Diet group as a “cure”, and he refused to see his doctor anymore. Sure enough about 2 years later, he started to have problems with his hip, leg, spine and other areas. After some serious discussions with his children, grandchildren and other assorted friends and relatives, he reluctantly agreed to see a doctor last spring.

Not only had the cancer returned, it had metastasized to just about every part of his body, and he was gone within about 4 months of the diagnosis.

The thing that will forever stick in my craw about this whole vegan trip is that the bastards that put him on this expensive trip to no cure continued to call and send him information after he explained that he no longer was interested in the diet. My last conversation with these people was tempered only by the fact that I had just stepped off a red-eye from California to Massachusetts to see my father for the last time, and I was so tired and jet lagged that I didn’t have the wherewithal to tell these people where to stick their “cure”.


Sorry to vent, it’s still a very sore subject in my family, and my comments above are the most rational of anyone, believe it or not!


58 posted on 06/11/2008 11:36:50 AM PDT by ssaftler
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To: Redcloak

That’s worse. That’s a Darwin Award By Proxy.


59 posted on 06/11/2008 11:37:23 AM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: Dawnsblood

I don’t think it has much to do with being a vegan. It is plain child abuse and neglect. This isn’t even a real vegan diet. Just like the kids who are extremely overweight, it is abuse.


60 posted on 06/11/2008 11:42:34 AM PDT by TriGirl (Lurking for 7 years!!!!!)
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To: Dawnsblood

I don’t think it has much to do with being a vegan. It is plain child abuse and neglect. This isn’t even a real vegan diet. Just like the kids who are extremely overweight, it is abuse.


61 posted on 06/11/2008 11:42:38 AM PDT by TriGirl (Lurking for 7 years!!!!!)
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To: Dawnsblood
“We shouldn’t name and shame . Mum feels guilty about the whole thing and feels bad about it.”

Oh good Lord. What complete lunatics. Poor kid.
62 posted on 06/11/2008 11:42:51 AM PDT by khnyny (Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy which sustained him through temporary periods of joy)
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To: JamesP81
If you adhere to a diet that needs to be supplemented by taking more vitamins, perhaps it's not such a healthy diet. At least for humans.
63 posted on 06/11/2008 11:44:50 AM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: Liberty 275
“She had been fed nothing but breast milk”

isnt that an animal product?

In this case it certainly is.

64 posted on 06/11/2008 11:45:04 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: Dawnsblood

“The condition is caused by a lack of vitamin D, which is needed to absorb calcium and is found in liver, oily fish and dairy produce.”

And is also produced by the skin when exposed to sunlight. They missed that part.


65 posted on 06/11/2008 11:46:23 AM PDT by Ellendra (If you do not like the values of the west -see the first amendment- you are free to leave.)
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To: JamesP81

“If a person is going to adhere to a diet like this. . . “

They need to do it before they breed.


66 posted on 06/11/2008 11:49:00 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

I always use a line with the Veggies that never fails to irritate, confuse and cause “deer in the headlights” looks.

Goes something like:

So, are you aware that your ancient ancestors fought their way up the food chain, through danger and sure swift death over the centuries so that you could eat sprouts and Tofu? Do you realize that if they had eaten grass and wet beans you would not be here now?


67 posted on 06/11/2008 11:52:29 AM PDT by alarm rider (Peace! through superior fire power....)
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To: Dawnsblood
"...Mum feels guilty about the whole thing and feels bad about it.”

Awww....poor muffin. Someone should rip her spine out and then see how she "feels" about it.

68 posted on 06/11/2008 11:54:05 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (The secret of Life is letting go. The secret of Love is letting it show.)
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To: BloodOrFreedom

Actually, vegetarians I know are overweight. Too much starch, too little protein.


69 posted on 06/11/2008 11:57:26 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Dawnsblood
In 2001, British vegans Hazmik and Garabet Manuelyan, from Staines, were sentenced to three years’ community rehabilitation after they admitted starving daughter Arenai, 10 months, to death. She had been fed nothing but breast milk, raw fruit, vegetables and nuts.

There must have been something else going on here. My son had Food Protein Induced Enterocolitis Syndrome as an infant. His diet consisted solely of fruit, veg and breastmilk for the first 14 months of his life. Anything else would cause him to violently throw up til he ran out of stomach bile, followed by hours of lethargy. He was in the 99th growth percentile the whole time.

70 posted on 06/11/2008 12:02:27 PM PDT by Eepsy (12-26-2008 +1)
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To: Dawnsblood

I have two friends who are vegans. Both are hopelessly overweight. One shattered her ankle stepping off a curb and it took a very long time to heal. The other broke a rib just bumping into a piece of furniture. Again, it took forever to heal. Lack of protein, the main component of bone.

Meanwhile, they lecture everyone and pass out books. Like religious zealots, they seek converts to bolster their point of view, wanting desperately to make themselves right and the rest of the world wrong.


71 posted on 06/11/2008 12:02:53 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Dawnsblood

http://www.vegetariansareevil.com/


72 posted on 06/11/2008 12:12:32 PM PDT by fishtank (FIRST defeat Obama's communism, THEN resist McCain's liberalism. A good plan.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

I say don’t shame them, sterilized them!


73 posted on 06/11/2008 12:16:22 PM PDT by Skenderbej
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To: tob2

Vitamin pills are no guarantee that you will get all the missed vitamins you need. In fact many so called vitamin pills are useless, and in fact can be dangerous to your health. You should always try to eat a balanced diet that will provide you with all the vitamins, minerals and protein that you need without “pills” of any kind.
Many vitamin powers/compounds in pill form cannot be absorbed if the natural enzymes provided by fruits and vegetables, meat, fish and dairy which provide them naturally are not present.


74 posted on 06/11/2008 12:20:45 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Shame is a guiding force in cultural morality and individual behavior.

Shame is also effective in treating the disease of leftism. For example when leftists cry to seize oil company profits they should be immediately called on their envy so that they experience shame. This is especially effective against leftists because of their innate vanity. Vanity and envy go hand in hand and are related mental processes.

Shame is the most effective antidote for all the 7 deadly sins, of which leftists are walking examples. Prompt doses of shame works and we should use it much more often.

75 posted on 06/11/2008 12:21:36 PM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: jimmyray
"Sez you. Man was created a vegitarian, and the pre-flood earth, a worldwide greehouse, produced enough nutrients in plant matter to support a healthy diet. Post flood, however, meat was on the menu, because the vapor canopy was gone, nutritious food was reduced significantly, and meat was protein rich"

Nonsense. better go and read Genisis again. Look for the sentence "They (Animals) shall be meat for thee"

76 posted on 06/11/2008 12:28:00 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Thanks for posting that. I don’t know where I read/heard that before, but that was my belief as well.


77 posted on 06/11/2008 12:36:53 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Nathan Zachary

Confirmed hunter and carnivore here. That said, the first example of meat eating is post-flood with Noah:

“Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.”

(Genesis 9:4)

Pre-flood, strictly vegitarian.


78 posted on 06/11/2008 12:37:20 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (McCain is the best candidate of the Democrat party.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Key word being “now”


79 posted on 06/11/2008 12:38:32 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (McCain is the best candidate of the Democrat party.)
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To: Nervous Tick

And give them a testicle transplant! Get Hillary’s lockbox over here...


80 posted on 06/11/2008 12:38:53 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: HamiltonJay

“its also supplimentally added to milk in the industrialized world, it helps your body absorb and process calcium (found in dairy)”

and also found elsewhere....
Food Amount of Calcium in milligrams (mg)
1 cup of milk 300
6 oz of yogurt 350
1 oz hard cheese (cheddar) 240
2 slices processed cheese 265
1/4 cup cottage cheese 120
1/2 cup soft serve frozen yogurt 100
1/2 cup ice cream 85
1/2 cup tofu 258
1/2 cup pinto beans or chick peas 40
1/4 cup almonds 95
1 Tbsp almond butter 43

Want to see what other foods contain calcium? Then read more

Food Amount of Calcium in milligrams (mg)
1 Tbsp sesame seeds 90
1 Tbsp Tahini 63
1/4 cup Brazil nuts or hazelnuts 55
8 medium sardines (canned) 370
3 oz salmon 180
1/2 cup oysters (canned) 60
1/2 cup shrimp (canned) 40
1/2 cup bok choy 75
1 cup kale 94
1 cup broccoli 178
1 cup celery 54
1 cup cooked green beans 58
1 cup cooked butternut squash 84
1 cup cooked sweet potato 70
1 medium naval orange 56
2/3 cup raisins 53
10 medium dried figs 269
1 cup calcium-fortified orange juice 300
1 cup enriched soy milk 300
1 cup enriched rice milk 300


81 posted on 06/11/2008 12:41:39 PM PDT by highnoon (Global warming is real.....Santa Claus told me so.)
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To: driftdiver

My Dad’s sister had a grandchild that was being fed vegan and was skinny and always hungry. My aunt kept feeding him real food when the parents were gone. He survived the ordeal and the parents gave up vegan a number of years ago.


82 posted on 06/11/2008 12:46:13 PM PDT by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: highnoon

I didn’t say CALCIUM.. Calcium is not added to milk, VITAMIN D is added to milk.. You can have all the calcium you want, but if you aren’t getting enough vitamin D it won’t matter... go back and re read my post.

Vitamin D is also produced by your skin when exposed to sunlight.

In the end of the day you don’t cut off a child from dairy and meat.. you are just asking for what has happened to this poor girl.


83 posted on 06/11/2008 12:51:21 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: highnoon

With the exception of sardines which certainly aren’t vegan, and calcium enriched processed foods, which I’m sure the pure vegans were avoiding as well, none of those food come close to dairy.

You DON”T deny dairy from kids, they need it and vitamin D for their bodies... this girl was clearly denied calcium, or vitamin D or both.


84 posted on 06/11/2008 12:54:22 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: BloodOrFreedom

Ron White’s friend was probably having a reaction to the MSG that is in almost all commercially produced beef broth.


85 posted on 06/11/2008 12:57:59 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Dawnsblood
In 2001, British vegans Hazmik and Garabet Manuelyan, from Staines, were sentenced to three years’ community rehabilitation after they admitted starving daughter Arenai, 10 months, to death. She had been fed nothing but breast milk, raw fruit, vegetables and nuts.

Sum ting wong here. Most babies at 10 months are only fed breast milk with a few fruits and veggies introduced. That is not starving a child. There must be a little more to that story.

86 posted on 06/11/2008 12:59:22 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: tob2
Their food choices do not always contain all the vitamins and minerals to maintain a healthy body.

You mean the stuff our bodies were designed to run on like animal protein and fat? My stock jab at vegantarianists is to ask them what those sharp pointy teeth in the front of their head are designed to do.

87 posted on 06/11/2008 1:01:22 PM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Dawnsblood

Cases like this place what is wrong with parents and people these days. They place THEIR OWN wants, desires, and goals above the health and wlefare of their children. It is a complete breakdown of morals. Everything is about me, me, me, and how I feel. I pity the poor children.


88 posted on 06/11/2008 1:13:13 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

And the animal bones found marked with knives and burned with fire at nearly every human campsite ever uncovered from any time period?

Humans have been meat eaters from the beginning by all evidence.


89 posted on 06/11/2008 1:13:49 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: DannyTN

“Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.”

Amen! Why would God make pigs, cows, chickens, sheep, fish, etc. taste so good if we weren’t supposed to eat them? (Now I’ve got a hankerin’ for a big juicy cheeseburger.)


90 posted on 06/11/2008 1:19:59 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Nathan Zachary
“natural enzymes provided by fruits and vegetables, meat, fish and dairy which provide them naturally are not present.” Nathan Zachary

Oh no. Don't tell me you are a Raw Food “Enzyme Potential” nutter.

Please explain to me how the natural enzymes in fruits and vegetables survive being put at the low pH of the stomach? Please explain how humans are incapable of making their own enzymes to perform the task of breaking down macromolecules when appropriate?

That being said, vitamin pills are tested for bioavailability, and the vitamin pills on the market are readily absorbed by the body in physiologically relevant amounts.

91 posted on 06/11/2008 1:20:29 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: contemplator

“Which deeply held religious beliefs trump a child’s health?”

I can’t think of any that would be acceptable to me, but those parents in the West Bank who strap bombs to their children and send them to their deaths certainly have deeply held beliefs that trump the children’s welfare.


92 posted on 06/11/2008 1:21:09 PM PDT by bobjam
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To: allmendream

Unlike many, I don’t pretend to understand how it worked, and fully expect evolution to be in there somewhere.


93 posted on 06/11/2008 1:36:36 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (McCain is the best candidate of the Democrat party.)
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To: Dawnsblood

Looks like the liberals in “Great” Britain aren’t safe from the Orwellian tribunals they so much wanted.


94 posted on 06/11/2008 2:15:46 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the girly-man population. Have the McCainiacs spayed or neutered.)
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To: Dawnsblood
In 2001, British vegans Hazmik and Garabet Manuelyan, from Staines, were sentenced to three years’ community rehabilitation after they admitted starving daughter Arenai, 10 months, to death. She had been fed nothing but breast milk, raw fruit, vegetables and nuts.

The mind reels. 

95 posted on 06/11/2008 2:28:31 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the girly-man population. Have the McCainiacs spayed or neutered.)
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To: numberonepal

“My stock jab at vegantarianists is to ask them what those sharp pointy teeth in the front of their head are designed to do.”

For eating flesh, of course. They are not called canines for nothing. And we all know canines are primarily flesh eaters.


96 posted on 06/11/2008 2:31:20 PM PDT by tob2 (Vote for McCain!)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Nonsense. better go and read Genisis again. Look for the sentence "They (Animals) shall be meat for thee"

In Genesis, God gave Noah permission to eat meat after the flood (post flood).

Genesis 9:3 "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. "

97 posted on 06/11/2008 4:25:56 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: numberonepal
My stock jab at vegantarianists is to ask them what those sharp pointy teeth in the front of their head are designed to do.

LOL!

Same here. "Those are for tearing tofu burgers, Jack!"

98 posted on 06/11/2008 4:32:31 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: Rennes Templar

I presume you know the difference between raising an obese child and starving a child.

Nice try. Better rebuild that straw man for your next argument.


99 posted on 06/11/2008 5:49:14 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: 1rudeboy

(Professional writer/editor. Typing too quickly while looking over my shoulder :)


100 posted on 06/11/2008 5:51:32 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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