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Judge orders state to give pay hike to judges
AP via SFGate ^ | 6/11/8 | SAMUEL MAULL, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 06/11/2008 11:43:47 AM PDT by SmithL

New York (AP) -- A judge has ordered New York's governor, Senate and Assembly to raise the pay of the state's judges within the next 90 days.

State Supreme Court Justice Edward Lehner in Manhattan said Wednesday that the defendants unconstitutionally abused their power by depriving judges of a pay hike for almost 10 years. He said state legislators illegally linked a judicial salary increase to one for themselves.

Lehner, who acknowledged he would be affected by his own decision, ordered the state to raise judicial pay to reflect cost of living increases since 1998.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: activistjudges; conflictofinterest; fascism; govwatch; judiciary; roguejudges; tyrant
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It is GOOD to be King.

Just ask any Judge.

1 posted on 06/11/2008 11:43:49 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL
Lehner, who acknowledged he would be affected by his own decision, ordered the state to raise judicial pay to reflect cost of living increases since 1998.

Talk about conflict of interest! Lehner just abused his power for personal gain.

2 posted on 06/11/2008 11:45:40 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem. — Milton Friedman)
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To: SmithL

Is it revolution time yet?


3 posted on 06/11/2008 11:45:49 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: traviskicks

May be of interest.


4 posted on 06/11/2008 11:45:53 AM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: SmithL

Tell the judge to stick it - he should have recused himself for the blatant conflict of interest.


5 posted on 06/11/2008 11:45:54 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: SmithL

I just ordered my boss to give me a raise, but my wife said no.


6 posted on 06/11/2008 11:47:22 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: SmithL
Judges can order elected officials around. TO DO ANYTHING THEY WANT. So much for checks and balances and the constitutional separation of powers. We live today in a kaikistocracy.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 06/11/2008 11:50:35 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
Not necessarily. He did acknowledge the conflict of interest. The problem is, there is not a judge that could rule on the issue.

Here's the problem. Starting first-year associates at the big law firms make double or triple what a judge makes now. What does that do to the profession when a kid fresh out of law school makes more than the person who decides his case?

8 posted on 06/11/2008 11:50:41 AM PDT by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: SmithL

It must be good to raise your own salary.


9 posted on 06/11/2008 11:51:38 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President!)
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To: SmithL

We are not that far removed from seeing black robes swinging under trees.....


10 posted on 06/11/2008 11:52:08 AM PDT by rottndog (Globull Warming "Science" = garbage in, gospel out.)
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To: Tzimisce

“...unconstitutionally abused their power...”

NY judges have a constitutional right to a raise?

If I was a legislator, I wouldn’t bother appealing to the Supreme Court. She started the law suit.


11 posted on 06/11/2008 12:00:29 PM PDT by y6162
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To: jude24
Is that the same argument NFL referees should use to rationalize higher salaries because a rookie QB might make $20 million a year and they only pull down $100 grand?

The judge is always free to seek an income source he is more comfortable with.

12 posted on 06/11/2008 12:02:10 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: SmithL
He said state legislators illegally linked a judicial salary increase to one for themselves.

The article didn't have any background information on this. Did he site the NY state constitution and law, or did he just make it up on the spot?

13 posted on 06/11/2008 12:02:40 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (the Clinton dream of being a two impeachment family goes right down the drain. - Letterman)
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To: jude24

If the judge is unhappy with his pay, he could find another line of work.


14 posted on 06/11/2008 12:02:48 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Sgt_Schultze
The judge is always free to seek an income source he is more comfortable with.

If you don't pay judges enough you get incompetent boobs who just make things up as they go along. For example this judge.

15 posted on 06/11/2008 12:04:30 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (the Clinton dream of being a two impeachment family goes right down the drain. - Letterman)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Problem is, we need judges - and if good attorneys are constantly lured away by higher salaries in public practice, who will be the judges?


16 posted on 06/11/2008 12:05:44 PM PDT by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: SmithL

If NY doesn’t impeach this buffoon then they deserve what they get.


17 posted on 06/11/2008 12:06:30 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: KarlInOhio

Then legislatures need to remove the incompetent boobs from their positions.


18 posted on 06/11/2008 12:06:33 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Mr. Lucky; Sgt_Schultze

This payroll patriot of a judge could return to the dreaded private sector if he so desired.


19 posted on 06/11/2008 12:07:13 PM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: SmithL

It is waaaaay past time.


20 posted on 06/11/2008 12:07:50 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: jude24

That’s a policy call for the legislature to make.


21 posted on 06/11/2008 12:08:09 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: KarlInOhio
If you don't pay judges enough you get incompetent boobs who just make things up as they go along. For example this judge.

How is that different from now, or 50 years ago, for that matter?

22 posted on 06/11/2008 12:08:44 PM PDT by chesley
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To: Boston Blackie

He should retire and become a teacher in NY....our $100K plus teachers with full benefits and 80% pensions are loving it. The dear Judge may enjoy that pay and job more.


24 posted on 06/11/2008 12:10:49 PM PDT by never4get (We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid)
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To: SmithL
In Arizona a judge ordered the schools to pass students who did not pass and dictated the school budget.

Judicial tyranny is running amok, and yet some politicians reportedly babble about "bringing Democracy" to Iraq or wherever.

25 posted on 06/11/2008 12:16:48 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: SmithL
Lehner should be politely led to the gallows. This POS ordering a pay raise for himself.
26 posted on 06/11/2008 12:18:31 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: rabscuttle385
Impeach at the very least.
27 posted on 06/11/2008 12:19:20 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: jude24
No judge should rule on the issue. It's a legislative matter.
28 posted on 06/11/2008 12:20:47 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: never4get

The teachers are worth every penny ..... and that is why NY has the best school system in the country. </sarc>


29 posted on 06/11/2008 12:20:59 PM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: rottndog
A beautiful sight.
30 posted on 06/11/2008 12:21:43 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: isrul

Send the National Guard in to surround his court house and drag his ass to the State House. He needs a lesson from We The People.


31 posted on 06/11/2008 12:29:44 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Boston Blackie
The teachers are worth every penny ..... and that is why NY has the best school system in the country.

...The teachers are so good that my school taxes are not enough to pay my them what they deserve. I am paying tutors, both teachers in the district working after hours, to help both my kids. Seventy Five percent of my $11K a year property tax on my $450K house are school taxes. The residents of my fine little town pay $15K a yr per student for education here in West Islip, NY. Wahoo!!!! I forgot though, we have the premiere sports program on Long Island with the LAX team being #1 in the nation last year and #2 in the nation this year. My daughters can put that on their applications for college???? I guess I could leave but my Italian/Irish wife has her family here and she would make my tax problem seem small if one day she woke up living in a cornfield in Iowa.

32 posted on 06/11/2008 12:34:19 PM PDT by never4get (We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid)
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To: KoRn; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...


Libertarian ping! To be added or removed freepmail me or post a message here.
33 posted on 06/11/2008 12:38:01 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: jude24

...then don’t go into public service as a judge.

I respect the right of the People, through elected representatives, to set the salaries for judges.


34 posted on 06/11/2008 12:40:09 PM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: never4get
I guess I could leave but my Italian/Irish wife has her family here and she would make my tax problem seem small if one day she woke up living in a cornfield in Iowa.

Irish Italian ... I feel your pain brother.
35 posted on 06/11/2008 12:41:29 PM PDT by devnull (In a 5-4 Decision We Trust)
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To: massgopguy
I'm down with that.
36 posted on 06/11/2008 12:44:51 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: jude24

Uh the higher calling?

I realize by your comment you aren’t one of them but there are people in this world believe it or not that are not in it just for the money.


37 posted on 06/11/2008 12:46:14 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Almondjoy
I realize by your comment you aren’t one of them but there are people in this world believe it or not that are not in it just for the money.

Don't assume. You don't know what I do.

38 posted on 06/11/2008 12:48:14 PM PDT by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: ElectricStrawberry
I respect the right of the People, through elected representatives, to set the salaries for judges.

I do agree, but the problem is that NY's legislature is and has been dysfunctional for quite some time.

39 posted on 06/11/2008 12:52:22 PM PDT by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: jude24

What do you do?


40 posted on 06/11/2008 1:57:03 PM PDT by Jacquerie (McCain will offer battle to Islam - Obama will offer our heads.)
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To: SmithL

Now all he has to do is order the Governor to sign the bill.

Then we will have all three branches of government wrapped up in one black collar criminal.


41 posted on 06/11/2008 2:43:12 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: jude24
Here's the problem. Starting first-year associates at the big law firms make double or triple what a judge makes now. What does that do to the profession when a kid fresh out of law school makes more than the person who decides his case?

Perhaps we should find all the people holding guns to these judges heads, forcing them to remain on the bench.

42 posted on 06/11/2008 3:00:55 PM PDT by zeugma (Mark Steyn For Global Dictator!)
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To: jude24
"who will be the judges?"

I have the solution......

Let FReepers be the judges!!! :^)

I'm sure there are plenty of us who would be willing to serve for the present salary levels, and we (most of us) would be a damned sight better than all the liberal socialist monstrosities who preside right now.
43 posted on 06/11/2008 3:17:08 PM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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To: All

On a more serious note (Maybe) this is a legislative issue.

It may well be that higher salaries would attract and keep better judges, but that is exactly the kind of public policy issue that legislatures exist to decide.


44 posted on 06/11/2008 3:21:26 PM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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To: jude24

Why do we need LAWYERS as judges. Seems to be a built-in bias right there. I have enough sense to make a good judge... and TOO MUCH good sense to become a lawyer.


45 posted on 06/11/2008 3:22:53 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: dcwusmc

its the new aristocracy in the united states, not nobility like in times of old, but lawyers, doctors and other professionals who have more rights given to them by government than the rest of ‘the masses’, we the people. imo


46 posted on 06/11/2008 4:23:29 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: traviskicks

It’s hard to find fault with your post... the aristocracy of “pull”... lawyers got it and we don’t. I am so thinking how needful it’s getting to be to hit the Constitutional reset button... And NOW, before my sons and granddaughters have it to do.


47 posted on 06/11/2008 4:29:03 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: jude24

You said all you needed to say in your statement. Maybe if you don’t want to be so obvious you’ll need to work on less obvious ways to say things.


48 posted on 06/11/2008 6:34:28 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: SmithL

Never in my life in the United States have I heard of a suit by state judges against a state legislature asking for increased pay. It’s preposterous that any judge who would be enriched by a ruling in favor of the plaintiffs should be hearing and ruling on the case. There’s no more flagrant example of judicial conflict of interest than this!


49 posted on 06/11/2008 7:14:16 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: SmithL
Do we have to ask what party this clown belongs to?
50 posted on 06/11/2008 7:16:44 PM PDT by kempo (c)
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