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Muslim ‘No-Go Areas’ in Britain? Just Go There!
PajamasMedia ^ | 6/12/08 | Mary Jackson

Posted on 06/12/2008 10:38:22 PM PDT by Dawnsblood

In February this year, Christian evangelists Arthur Cunningham and Joseph Abraham were doing what Christian evangelists do: handing out Bible extracts. They were stopped by a representative of the law, threatened with arrest if they carried on preaching in “a Muslim area,” and warned that they might get beaten up if they came back.

Where did this incident take place? Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Pakistan, where Christian preaching is forbidden and apostates persecuted? No, this “Muslim area” was in Alum Rock, Birmingham, England. That’s right — England, cradle of free speech; England, a country with an established, if enfeebled, Church, and where seventy-five percent of citizens (at the 2001 census) describe themselves as Christian. The man who stopped the evangelists, calling their preaching a “hate crime,” was Naeem Naguthney, a police community support officer (PCSO), and a Muslim. Granted, a PCSO is not a full police officer, and has only limited powers of law enforcement. But which law was he enforcing? It looks suspiciously like Sharia.

This is not the first time an English “Muslim area” has hit the news. In 2006, Muslim preacher Abu Izzadeen expressed outrage that then-Home Secretary John Reid was visiting “a Muslim area”: East London. Yet when the bishop of Rochester recently warned that Britain was developing Muslim no-go areas, he was denounced by Muslims as — what else? — Islamophobic. Many non-Muslims joined in the condemnation. Others argued that the no-go areas were ideological, rather than literal, but this argument rather misses the point: Islam is, and always has been, territorial.

The choice of words — “Muslim area” — is significant. Non-Muslims are not merely told that their behavior might upset or anger Muslims, but that they themselves are on Muslim soil, where such behavior is forbidden. As I have argued before, Islam is concerned far more with territory than with piety. Do the young Muslimahs in the picture below look pious? Or are they belligerently defending their turf?

Each niqab allowed in the workplace, each new mosque, each “hate-speech law” is, as London’s new Mayor Boris Johnson put it, “another yard of territory in the kulturkampf of modern Britain.”

Alum Rock has, in accordance with the tenets of jihad, been claimed for the Dar al-Islam. And once Islam has claimed an area, that area cannot be taken back without a fight. So, are we going to give them a fight? And fight not only the enemy, but those who appear to have sided with them: West Midlands Police?

West Midlands Police have not apologized, and instead of sacking Naguthney immediately, they have merely given him training on the nature of “hate crimes.” Such craven appeasement of Muslims is not unprecedented: it was the West Midlands Police force which tried to prosecute Channel 4, whose excellent TV documentary Undercover Mosque revealed the open sedition and hatred of the West preached in our mosques. That prosecution failed, but for now West Midlands Police must be seen as accomplices, albeit perhaps unwitting, in the jihad against our country.

Mr. Cunningham and Mr. Abraham have fired the first shots in the counter-jihad: they are demanding a full and unreserved written apology from West Midlands Police, and have given notice that they regard this incident as a breach of their convention rights under the 1998 Human Rights Act. They are supported by the Christian Institute pressure group, and by Christian Voice, which plans to leaflet the area this weekend.

Outside this immediate battle, how do we fight the territorial expansion of Islam? My answer is simply not to accept that there are “no-go areas”: just go there. Libby Purves, writing recently in the London Times on the dangers of walking around London late at night, makes points that apply to all “no-go areas,” Muslim or not:

I am not foolhardy; I stay away from alleys and don’t flash jewelery. But I know parts of London in particular to be increasingly dangerous, and with growing caution comes growing rage. I will not be kept cringing indoors, not by day or night; nor should any man or woman in a free country.

It was another woman, Eleanor Roosevelt, who said: “Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission.” So we, men and women, should not grant that permission, and should not pander to the assumed superiority of those who would intimidate us, whether thugs or Muslims or both.

Turning to “Muslim no-go areas”, here is my advice: just go there. Look those niqab-clad women in the eye — it is all you can look them in — and raise a quizzical eyebrow at their alien garb.

Look with contempt at their “masters” swaggering along in jeans two steps in front of them.

Above all, just go there.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: capitulation; diversity; islam; islan; jihad; nogo; sharia; uk; ukmuslims

1 posted on 06/12/2008 10:38:22 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood
Appeasement is feeding a crocodile in the hope that it will eat you last.
2 posted on 06/12/2008 10:48:17 PM PDT by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: Dawnsblood

What happened to the English? They used to have a pair.


3 posted on 06/12/2008 10:51:32 PM PDT by Mongeaux (''I would sooner be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone directory," W.F. Buckley)
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To: Dawnsblood
"Non-Muslims are not merely told that their behavior might upset or anger Muslims, but that they themselves are on Muslim soil, where such behavior is forbidden."

In short, the mohammedan savages are taking over the UK one neighborhood at a time.

Bye bye, Christian Britannia.

The fact that you folks are disarmed and overflowing with uneducated and hostile mohammedans has sealed your doom.


4 posted on 06/12/2008 10:53:06 PM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: NavVet

That’s alright..it’s England. We need to sacrifice the cowards while we re-load Stateside.

They made their own bed, now they have to sleep in it.


5 posted on 06/12/2008 10:54:07 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Dawnsblood

Sharia Law: coming soon to a nation near you. :D


6 posted on 06/12/2008 10:57:20 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Obama for President!)
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To: Dawnsblood

The Future Queen of England


7 posted on 06/12/2008 11:03:44 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Stop the Obamanation!))))
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To: Dawnsblood
D**M.

Just D**M.

Counter-Jihad on Hormones.

WOW!!!!

8 posted on 06/12/2008 11:12:45 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: Dawnsblood
P.S.

Nearing the "tipping point" in Europe, where the natives have had enough.

Push-back is underway.

9 posted on 06/12/2008 11:14:05 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: Dawnsblood
I'm certain there are some few good and brave people still in jolly olde, but like here they are threatened by the courts any time they get off their knees. If these people do dare push back and refuse to allow the mohammedans to drive them out, they will face charges of incitement or some other PC nonsense. That is if they are not killed for having the temerity to defy the koran crazed cabal.

England is a lost cause, like the greatest part of Europe and ever growing segments of the U.S. All they can do now is fight a running retreat and hopefully abandon those mohammedan filled sewers for some place not so heavily infested with the false prophets demonic disciples.

I'm 37 and before my naturally alloted span of years has passed, I fully expect to face death for refusing to kneel before the demonic deity of the mohammedans.

I won't go quietly or alone.

10 posted on 06/12/2008 11:35:53 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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To: Mongeaux

The Royal Jewels seems to have been stolen..


11 posted on 06/12/2008 11:40:35 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

12 posted on 06/12/2008 11:42:50 PM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: Prole

Where’s my Walther?


13 posted on 06/12/2008 11:54:50 PM PDT by montomike (If you didn't find this funny or amusing...have a worldwide riot.)
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To: Prole
Good post...

The classic Colt .45 is still a hardkicking stuff. Just as it was originally made for.

14 posted on 06/12/2008 11:57:10 PM PDT by ChristianDefender (I Hear, I Forget. I See, I Remember. I Do, I Understand.)
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To: Prole

Ahhhh...The Sig P226. Just Lovely.


15 posted on 06/13/2008 12:25:42 AM PDT by Free Bee
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To: happygrl

“push-back is underway”

Too little, too late. I’d say we still have a chance in the US, but the SCOTUS ruling yesterday pretty well sealed our fate.


16 posted on 06/13/2008 1:53:06 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: happygrl

>>Push-back is underway.

Agreed. What is not clear is if the demographics are too far against them, over the long haul.


17 posted on 06/13/2008 1:54:50 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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To: Mongeaux
What happened to the English? They used to have a pair.

****This is NOT a thread hijack!****

Our friends might wonder the same about us as they watch us deal with illegal immigration.

****We now return to your regularly scheduled thread.****

18 posted on 06/13/2008 2:03:10 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (3/5 > 1/2)
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To: max americana
That’s alright..it’s England. We need to sacrifice the cowards while we re-load Stateside.

They made their own bed, now they have to sleep in it.

That was my thought exactly. They brought this on themselves and are, in effect, volunteering to demonstrate to the world what happens when Islam slowly engulfs a non-Islamic country.

It's going to be a good object lesson for why the biggest danger to freedom is socialist PC.

19 posted on 06/13/2008 3:14:34 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Dawnsblood

Canada has a very large Muslim population, yet we don’t seem to hear much about discontent, turf-grabbing, etc.

I wonder why?


20 posted on 06/13/2008 3:18:21 AM PDT by Randy Papadoo
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To: Dawnsblood
England is the new france...
21 posted on 06/13/2008 4:00:52 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©® - CTHULHU/SHOGGOTH '08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: Randy Papadoo

Canadian intelligence has issued at least two damning reports against Canada’s open door policy for jihadists. The reports named terrorists that were allowed entry and warned that Canadians would be targets of terrorists unless the policy stopped.

Maybe the Canadians listened?


22 posted on 06/13/2008 4:28:40 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

You will not be alone.


23 posted on 06/13/2008 4:39:13 AM PDT by steel_resolve (We are living in the post-rational world where being a moron is an asset)
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To: Dawnsblood

Flamethrowers are one possible remedy to the situation.


24 posted on 06/13/2008 4:46:24 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Hussein Obama for Caliph 2008!)
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To: All

Yet again another thread to use to bash us English. There may well be a few isolated insodents such as this in Britain no doubt there are some in America, maybe they just do not get reported as the local people do not want it known it happens.

I can assure you the majority of British people speak out and do not cour in fear as so many on this board suggest.

Just read the comments on this website regarding a news article yesterday this website one of our internet service providers.

http://boards.virginmedia.com/news/soundbites/20080612_failed_suicide_bombers_wife_jailed.html?page=20

There are 20 plus pages of comments and the majority are pretty firm in what they think should happen.


25 posted on 06/13/2008 5:15:22 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: Randy Papadoo

Because it is a hate-crime to say anything negative about it. Haven’t you been following the Steyn/McClean proceedings?


26 posted on 06/13/2008 5:52:27 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: max americana

> That’s alright..it’s England. We need to sacrifice the cowards while we re-load Stateside.
>
> They made their own bed, now they have to sleep in it.

Tuff talk like that ought to be saved for when you Yanks have sorted out your Illegal Alien problem. You’re being invaded and taken over by the Mexicans without a bullet being fired in anger. Cowardice? Yeah, I guess that label kind of fits...

But, you’re making your own bed, and soon you will have to sleep in it.


27 posted on 06/13/2008 7:31:10 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: samtheman

> That was my thought exactly. They brought this on themselves and are, in effect, volunteering to demonstrate to the world what happens when Islam slowly engulfs a non-Islamic country.

And America, naturally, will demonstrate to the world what happens when Mexicans slowly engulf a non-Mexican country.

Of the two, I would say America is closer to being engulfed by a foreign power than the UK is. And the crazy thing is that people like you just don’t seem to get it.


28 posted on 06/13/2008 7:36:35 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Prole

> The fact that you folks are disarmed and overflowing with uneducated and hostile mohammedans has sealed your doom.

Right, so what’s America’s excuse? You’re armed to the teeth and still you’re overflowing with uneducated and hostile (illegal and often criminally-inclined) Mexicans.

I predict that Spanish will be an official language in America within a decade — and much sooner in many of your individual states.


29 posted on 06/13/2008 7:44:01 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

> I’m 37 and before my naturally alloted span of years has passed, I fully expect to face death for refusing to kneel before the demonic deity of the mohammedans.

You’re more likely to be shot in a drive-by from a car filled with illegal immigrants, long before your allotted span.

Britain’s problem with Muslims pales in comparison to America’s problem with illegal immigrants. This is not something that the US can afford to be smug about.


30 posted on 06/13/2008 7:51:35 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

“I predict that Spanish will be an official language in America within a decade — and much sooner in many of your individual states.”

____________________________________________________________

I agree with your prediction, but I think it will take awhile longer, and at first, it will occur in isolated communities.

Mrs. Mugwump teaches music in some of the most illegal-heavy areas of Los Angeles, and I frequently accompany her to help out (I’m retired).

There is no doubt that people is southern California will have to have a functional knowledge of Spanish to do just about anything — probably within the ten years you cite.

As to making it official, I think the City of L.A. will vote it in first, followed by many surrounding communities. The end result will see the state establish a Spanish-only law, probably after the northern part of the state secedes and establishes itself as a new one.

Surprisingly, though, for all this, there is surprisingly little hostility out there (during the day, at least). I think most people know that their position is one of strength, and they have no need (yet) to go after Anglos. The blacks are a different story, however. Lou Baca, L.A. county Sheriff came out yesterday and said there are increasingly tense race relations not related to gangs.

We are indeed headed for interesting times. I believe the British are being just as studiously ignored by their ruling classes as we are. We just don’t count anymore.

Being thought of as a peasant makes me very angry. I’ve known serious hard times, and I don’t like the prospect of enduring them again in my dotage.


31 posted on 06/13/2008 8:04:04 AM PDT by Mugwump
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Smug? Not quite.

I know how dangerous criminal aliens are, but the current threat from them is random and unfocused. They are a threat, but not quite as immediate and certain as the mohammedans. I’d be glad to see them all rounded up and forced back across the rio grande or wherever they came from, but they aren’t actively seeking to murder anyone who isn’t them. Not yet at least, but that could change in time.

I could just as easily be shot in the back by a crackhead breaking into the house or mugged by some piece of filth who decides to leave no witnesses. Random violence is a normal part of life.

The mohammedans are focused and motivated by religious zeal. They are a clear and present danger that can’t be ignored. And yet, they ARE being ignored and are being allowed to build indoctrination centers and enclaves where they can operate with impunity. Once they reach critical mass, the french riots and the Dutch murders will become a common occurance here and anyone not a mohammedan will be a target, to be raped or killed unless those targets convert.

And it will happen in the next 35-40 years, guaranteed. No place is safe, not England, not America, not New Zealand.

So no, I’m not smug, I’m heartbroken knowing what is coming.


32 posted on 06/13/2008 10:39:01 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

people like me?

what kind of people is that?


33 posted on 06/13/2008 2:10:48 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Tuff talk like that ought to be saved for when you Yanks have sorted out your Illegal Alien problem. You’re being invaded and taken over by the Mexicans without a bullet being fired in anger. Cowardice? Yeah, I guess that label kind of fits..
*****

Our illegals DONT blow up people in the name of Allah, and have us face Mecca 5 times a day. Good luck on that.


34 posted on 06/13/2008 4:36:36 PM PDT by max americana
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To: max americana

> Our illegals DONT blow up people in the name of Allah, and have us face Mecca 5 times a day. Good luck on that.

I guess you’re right: your illegals don’t do these things. So remind me again why America has not already dealt decisively to this relatively-tame foreign invasion on your soil? You’ve got all the guns you could ever want, and you’ve got laws and a Constitution, too: you are without excuse.

You mentioned the word “Cowardice” with reference to the Poms and their immigrant problem. What would be the proper label to describe yours?


35 posted on 06/13/2008 4:58:28 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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