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Adolf Hitler's Aryan theory rubbished by science
The Telegraph ^ | 6/13/2008 | Harry de Quetteville in Berlin

Posted on 06/13/2008 9:38:51 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

The theory of Scandinavian racial purity cherished by Hitler and the Nazis has been rubbished by new scientific research.

The study found that bodies from 2000-year-old burial sites in eastern Denmark contained "as much genetic variation in their remains as one would expect to find in individuals of the present day".

The findings, in an analysis by the University of Copenhagen which has just been published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology, explodes the Nazis' much cherished concept of a 'superior' Nordic race.


Adolf Hitler cherished the concept of a 'superior' Nordic race

Hitler used pseudo-scientific research to back up claims that northern Europeans could form a Master Race which would lead mankind, and even set up a breeding program between Germans and Norwegians to foster it.

The racist theory, which placed the Master Race at the top of mankind's hierarchy and Jews at the bottom, played a central role in the Holocaust.

But according to the new research, the "concept of a single Scandinavian genetic type, a Scandinavian race that wandered to Denmark, settled there, and otherwise lived in complete isolation from the rest of the world, is a fallacy".

Far from being isolated and 'genetically pure', the study on the burial sites found that Danes mixed with peoples from across the globe.

"It becomes clear that the Danes must have been in contact with other peoples," said scientist Linea Melchior, who analysed DNA from the Bøgebjerggård and Skovgaarde sites.

"One of the Danish burial grounds, which dates back to the iron age also contained the remains of a man who appears to have been of Arabian origin," she added.

Research at another early Danish burial site has unearthed a corpse of Siberian origin.

Both that body and the 'Arabian' body discovered by Linea Melchior were buried in identical fashion to 'locals', showing ­ researchers say ­ "that people from distant parts of the world could be and were absorbed in Danish communities".


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: denmark; eugenics; godsgravesglyphs; hitler; nazi
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Finally. I've been worrying about those "other people".

Now, as to those Danes being superior.....

1 posted on 06/13/2008 9:38:51 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman
1. The real "Aryans" lived in what is now northern India and Afghanistan.

2. The only real "caucasians" are the Armenians and Georgians. The term "caucasian" for white people is a purely American conception based on 19th century junk science.

2 posted on 06/13/2008 9:40:20 PM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: bruinbirdman

I guess that explains why Hitler had blond hair...


3 posted on 06/13/2008 9:42:20 PM PDT by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: killjoy

Yeah. But nothing — not even sarcasm — could explain that mustache.


4 posted on 06/13/2008 9:45:20 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?")
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To: bruinbirdman

“pseudo-scientific research” gee, where have I heard that recently...maybe about the environmental, climate change, global warming confusion network?


5 posted on 06/13/2008 9:46:42 PM PDT by givemELL
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To: bruinbirdman

6 posted on 06/13/2008 9:51:27 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: killjoy

“I guess that explains why Hitler had blond hair...

I always found it amsuing that Hitler lacked ALL that he wanted to create with his “super race”. Perhaps he had seld hatred issues?


7 posted on 06/13/2008 9:57:40 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: bruinbirdman; Clemenza; killjoy; FredZarguna; givemELL; SIDENET

Part of the problem seems to be that, as far as I know, anthropologists aren’t exactly sure where “whitey” comes from either. The Caucusus region or parts to the North were the general consensus until those ancient red-haired and blonde Xingiang mummies kicked over the ethnological applecart.


8 posted on 06/13/2008 10:03:12 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: bruinbirdman

9 posted on 06/13/2008 10:07:05 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: sinanju
Anthropologists aren’t exactly sure where “whitey” comes from either.

We were created by a mad scientist on the island of Patmos about 5,000 years ago. It's been in the papers.

10 posted on 06/13/2008 10:07:56 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?")
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To: bruinbirdman; Clemenza; killjoy; FredZarguna; givemELL; SIDENET

This just in: It seems StormFront.org (White Power) has a thread insisting that ‘ol Shickelgruber never actually stated anywhere that blonde hair and blue eyes should be the aesthetic ideal.


11 posted on 06/13/2008 10:09:38 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: sinanju

Ask Michelle Obama, she can tell the Chinese a thing or two, OR, would she use it against them?


12 posted on 06/13/2008 10:10:08 PM PDT by givemELL
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To: sinanju

Maybe it is not clear to you where "whitey" comes from but he sure does show up in a lot of places...

13 posted on 06/13/2008 10:12:36 PM PDT by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: Clemenza
The only real "caucasians" are the Armenians and Georgians.

And some South Carolinians.

14 posted on 06/13/2008 10:13:11 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: sinanju
‘ol Shickelgruber never actually stated anywhere that blonde hair and blue eyes should be the aesthetic ideal.

He actually advised Aryans that they could be less choosy in a bar at 1:55 AM.

15 posted on 06/13/2008 10:14:01 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?")
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To: FredZarguna

Is that Brother Minister Calypso Louie or Esteemed Professor Leonard Jeffries’ theory?

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“The Blackman is the original man. From him came all brown, yellow, red, and white people. By using a special method of birth control law, the Blackman was able to produce the white race. This method of birth control was developed by a Black scientist known as Yakub, who envisioned making and teaching a nation of people who would be diametrically opposed to the Original People. A Race of people who would one day rule the original people and the earth for a period of 6,000 years. Yakub promised his followers that he would graft a nation from his own people, and he would teach them how to rule his people, through a system of tricks and lies whereby they use deceit to divide and conquer, and break the unity of the darker people, put one brother against another, and then act as mediators and rule both sides.”

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So there. It was this “Yakub” dude.


16 posted on 06/13/2008 10:14:32 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: sinanju
Is that Brother Minister Calypso Louie or Esteemed Professor Leonard Jeffries’ theory?

I don't know with whom this theory originated. All I can say is that it's every bit as solid scientifically as what the Nazi's believed.

17 posted on 06/13/2008 10:16:38 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?")
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To: nmh
There has long been a story/rumor circulating about the possibility of Hitler having been 1/4 Jewish.

It's also struck me as ironic that Hitler (born in Austria) didn't resemble his vision of the “master race.” In addition one of his cousins was mentally retarded in some way and was put to death (euthanasia program). From what I've read his family wasn't “ideal breeding stock.”

18 posted on 06/13/2008 10:21:07 PM PDT by Aglooka
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To: bruinbirdman
"One of the Danish burial grounds, which dates back to the iron age also contained the remains of a man who appears to have been of Arabian origin," she added.

The thirteenth warrior?

19 posted on 06/13/2008 10:21:41 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp

lol...someone else on my wave length there.


20 posted on 06/13/2008 10:28:01 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: bruinbirdman; Clemenza; killjoy; FredZarguna; givemELL; nmh; CarrotAndStick; eddie willers
"Pytheas (Πυθέας), ca. 380 – ca. 310 BC) was a Greek merchant, geographer and explorer from the Greek colony Massilia (today Marseille, France). He made a voyage of exploration to northwestern Europe around 325 BC. He may have travelled around a considerable part of Great Britain, circumnavigating it between 330 and 320 BC. Pytheas is the first person on record to describe the Midnight Sun, the aurora and polar ice, the first to mention the name Britannia and Germanic tribes and the one who introduced the idea of distant "Thule" to the geographic imagination. He may have been the first Mediterranean observer to distinguish between the Germanic and Celtic "barbarian" peoples of northern and western Europe.[1] Pytheas was not the first Mediterranean mariner to sail up into the North Sea territories and around Great Britain. Trade between Gaul and Great Britain was routine; fishermen and others would travel to Orkney, Norway or Shetland. The Roman Avienus writing in the 4th century mentions an early Greek voyage, possibly from the 6th century BC. A recent conjectural reconstruction of the journey Pytheas documented has him traveling from Marseille in succession to Bordeaux, Nantes, Land's End, Plymouth, the Isle of Man, Outer Hebrides, Orkney, Iceland, Great Britain's east coast, Kent, Helgoland, returning finally to Marseille..." _____________________________________________________________ Although none of Pytheas' own writings have survived, he is referenced by several other ancient writers. He was considered controversial in his day and his contemporaries did not believe his descriptions of Far Northern phenomena. For our purposes he did describe a thriving commerce amongst peoples the Greeks and Romans insisted were primitive barbarians. These 2000 year-old Danish burials would have been 500 years AFTER Pytheas, so I doubt they were nearly as out-of-the-way as we like to think. Darn humans refuse to be pigeonholed!
21 posted on 06/13/2008 10:28:32 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: bruinbirdman
Adolf Hitler's Aryan theory rubbished by science.

Is this news? Are they going to spend time rubbishing phrenology next?

22 posted on 06/13/2008 10:32:30 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: sinanju
Darn humans refuse to be pigeonholed.

Aint nuthin' wrong with exotic females, either.

23 posted on 06/13/2008 10:41:27 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?")
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To: Clemenza

Friendly question: Doesn’t “Caucasian” come from the Caucas Mountains in Russia?


24 posted on 06/13/2008 10:41:28 PM PDT by pankot
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To: sinanju
"anthropologists aren’t exactly sure where “whitey” comes from "

The lost tribe of Trojan descendents?

yitbos

25 posted on 06/13/2008 10:56:41 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: bruinbirdman

This study is in itself junk science.

I wouldn’t have thought a burial ground that was only 2000 years old would have provided anything like “conclusive” evidence of anything, aside from the fact that there were dead people buried there.

You would expect a wide genetic variation in such a burial ground: 2000 years doesn’t even bring us back to the time of Julius Caesar, and plenty of useful history happened long before that.

Now, if their study found this variation in a burial ground of, say, 10,000 years age I’d be more impressed.


26 posted on 06/13/2008 11:05:37 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: sinanju

If you look at man’s pets and livestock, most come from a basic black or very dark original form. All shades and odd shapes are derived from that original form through selective breeding. So I can see how the theory that the black man was the original human form can come about. The question I have...is the “original” man still in existance today in the original form? A hypothetical original black man doesn’t necessarily have to be the characteristic negroid type. I picture a race of wirey humans with long straight coarse black hair, black leathery skin, short legs, hairy bodies, barrel chested, narrow shoulders, large pelvis, and an arab-semite or amerind style nose only larger...as the original form of man. The negroid type is not like this.


27 posted on 06/13/2008 11:08:13 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: mamelukesabre
"The question I have...is the “original” man still in existance today in the original form? ... black leathery skin"

Did that 2 million year old man they found in Africa have skin?

yitbos

28 posted on 06/13/2008 11:15:23 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Clemenza
1. The real "Aryans" lived in what is now northern India and Afghanistan.

And Iran. Although a large chunk of Persia mixed somewhat with the numerous Greek, Arab, Mongol and Ottoman invaders, the populous northern part (the Caspian shore) namely the regions Gilan and Mazanderan (except some Georgian influx) were largely unaffected.

29 posted on 06/13/2008 11:18:40 PM PDT by SolidWood (Refusal to vote for McCain is active support of Obama. Period.)
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To: pankot

The Caucasus Mountains (and the region) are partly in Southern Russia, but now are inhabited by the states of Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan. It’s the area between the Caspian and Black sea, with Iran to the South and Russia to the North.


30 posted on 06/13/2008 11:22:11 PM PDT by SolidWood (Refusal to vote for McCain is active support of Obama. Period.)
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To: bruinbirdman
Hitler used pseudo-scientific research to back up claims that northern Europeans could form a Master Race.

Algore used pseudo-scientific research to back up claims that northern Americans could cause global warming.

LOL, I know it's off topic, but it just popped into my head so I posted it.

31 posted on 06/13/2008 11:22:24 PM PDT by chaos_5 (Proud to be one of the 10% not rallying around McCain)
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To: killjoy
I was just going to say — And Hitler was NOT one himself.

Our son who is a trained linguist and speaks Chinese and Mongolian tells us that the Nordic languages actually have an array of Mongolian and other central Asian roots.

32 posted on 06/13/2008 11:36:17 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: CarrotAndStick

33 posted on 06/13/2008 11:38:23 PM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: bruinbirdman

this required a study?


34 posted on 06/14/2008 1:13:24 AM PDT by americanophile
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To: uglybiker

35 posted on 06/14/2008 1:21:57 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: nmh
Self-hatred issues?


36 posted on 06/14/2008 1:23:54 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: nmh

Sort of like the villian Drax in the Bond movie Moonraker.


37 posted on 06/14/2008 2:06:54 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Iraq's WMD's will be found in Syria after Bush leaves office.God will vindicate a righteous decision)
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To: nmh

Sort of like the villian Drax in the Bond movie Moonraker.


38 posted on 06/14/2008 2:06:55 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Iraq's WMD's will be found in Syria after Bush leaves office.God will vindicate a righteous decision)
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To: FredZarguna

How very funny. I was just about to joke in a reply to your post about White man coming from germs designed by Yakub, and then a quick search on Wikipedia revealed that Yukub was supposed to have been on Patmos. :) Ahh...the white devils.

Nation of Islam... Gotta love it!


39 posted on 06/14/2008 2:09:29 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: bruinbirdman
“anthropologists aren’t exactly sure where “whitey” comes from “

I don't know where they came from, but they get their t-shirts here.

http://www.cafepress.com/fightinwhite?CMP=KNC-G-EF

40 posted on 06/14/2008 2:53:26 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Liberalism: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: bruinbirdman

OKayyyy.... Are they saying people from the North are still superior, though? I’m confused.


41 posted on 06/14/2008 3:47:19 AM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: bruinbirdman
researchers say "that people from distant parts of the world could be and were absorbed in Danish communities"

I think the "researchers" are really libs trying to defend immigration of Muslims and other aliens into Denmark, and degrading Danish nationalism by associating it with Hitler.

42 posted on 06/14/2008 4:01:49 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: bruinbirdman

“Hitler used pseudo-scientific research”

Algore is still doing that.


43 posted on 06/14/2008 4:17:17 AM PDT by RoadTest ( Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spake of the temple of his body.)
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To: SIDENET
Twin sons of different mothers?


44 posted on 06/14/2008 4:27:39 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: bruinbirdman

Leftists, communists and Marxists are clearly the superior race. I hear it everyday from the media and the democrats.


45 posted on 06/14/2008 5:09:11 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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To: givemELL

As the distinguished biologist E.O. Wilson noted on the BBC, there is a difference between environmental science and environmentalism. He approved of the former and disapproved of the latter. So do I. There are climatic changes caused by human activity as well as solar changes, and it is good to conserve energy, but the environmentalists want to change my behavior to suit them. They never have learned of self-interest as a motivator.

Genetics bears the same relation to the Aryan myth as environmental science does to environmentalism.


46 posted on 06/14/2008 5:27:59 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven!)
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To: bruinbirdman

Listen Up People!

Hitler said what ever it took to get the vote.

He was anti gay, anti jew, anti communist only when it allowed him to get over that next hurdle

He was the ultimate flip flopper.

Sound familiar?


47 posted on 06/14/2008 5:59:18 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: Aglooka

Probably true and if he was not gay, it is certain that he surrounded himself with gays.


48 posted on 06/14/2008 6:01:08 AM PDT by spanalot
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49 posted on 06/14/2008 7:32:00 AM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: uglybiker

No more, please! Finding this was hard enough!

:^)

50 posted on 06/14/2008 7:49:00 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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