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McCain and the Bitter Conservatives
American Thinker ^ | June 15, 2008 | Andrew Sumereau

Posted on 06/15/2008 12:57:09 AM PDT by neverdem

John McCain is clearly the preferable option for conservative voters come November. Although liberal in his views toward immigration, government intrusion in free speech, environmental issues, campaign finance reform, health care, education mandates, and a host of other issues that run contrary to conservative orthodoxy, McCain is solid on two (alas, two) vital issues that make the difference; spending and judges. From the frustration of eight years of a Republican Administration that began with so much hope and promise it pains one to say it, but there it is.

Against the prospects of a President Obama, McCain wins.

A victim of circumstances and timing in many ways, Senator McCain carries the sins of Bush and the free-spending Republicans into the 2008 election minus any counter balancing virtues. The coming election has an eerie deja-vu feeling. The Democrat nominee is young, glib, dare one say it, slick; beloved by a media most happy to shield him from criticism. He is facing a cranky old Republican Senator with visible war wounds, famous for his temper, and viewed with apprehension by the religious right.

In addition, John McCain is detested, and deservedly so, by many Republicans of all types. Beyond issue and policy differences, and they are legion, his personality grates. His conceit of "straight-talk" and "maverick"-like independence so superficially applauded (up until now) by the mainstream media is almost Clintonesque in its narcissism. If only other politicians had his courage, he implies, things would be fixed straightaway. The big special interests have all the other elected officials in their pockets. Only Maverick-John tells it like it is! Yet the truth is that McCain could serve well as poster boy of the arrogant elitist beltway insider, friend of Hillary and Ted, foe of the unwashed. The party habit of selecting the next in line (e.g. Dole) has rarely produced such an unappealing candidate at such a critical time. In many ways he reminds one of Adlai Stevenson, who famously frustrated his supporters with his holier-than-thou ways during two failed contests against the popular broad-smiling Ike.

Despite what will surely be the focus of McCain's campaign, foreign policy and experience will not decide this election for conservative voters. One may point to the war in Iraq as the defining issue come November and see a big advantage for McCain. Not necessarily so. History will decide the wisdom of our foreign policy over the last seven years, whether the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions were a legitimate response to the threat of organized terror, or the overreaction of predisposed warriors intent on using the events of 9/11 to democratize the Middle East.

It is clear, in the short term that a McCain administration will cling to the ongoing military effort. He is a very sure bet on a continuation of aggressive and largely unilateral foreign policy. But unlike domestic issues, Presidents, as Truman said, "ride the Tiger" in foreign affairs.  They are controlled by events and often forced into moves at odds with their original intentions. Bush came into office as a critic of nation building and yet leaves committed to the rebuilding of Iraq. Johnson's Great Society fell victim to his own escalation of the Vietnam War. Clinton sent troops to Haiti. As Chief Executive of the federal branch they must protect our borders and command the military by constitutional decree. Democrats, even Carter, have found that once in office the requirements and prerogatives of military power seldom are resisted.

On domestic issues it is no better. He is with Kennedy on education and immigration, with Fiengold on campaign finance, with Gore on the environment. For the committed conservative, he speaks and acts as Bush-lite without the few rhetorical bones thrown in for appearance's sake. Each day, it seems, he appears to make a pronouncement, or suggest a policy, or chastise an enthusiastic supporter, in order to please the main-stream media and send conservatives off wailing and gnashing their teeth.   

So the question of the day is how can a candidate that turns off a large portion of his base, who will most certainly be put on the defensive by a biased media, who appears old and uncool to the great unlettered new generation of voters, succeed?

"Front Porch" campaigns put several Republicans in the White House starting with Abraham Lincoln. In the good old days Presidential candidates found it undignified and unbecoming to campaign for votes all over the country. They let their surrogates and followers go through the unending exercises so necessary yet so unseemly in the election process. Incessant bragging, boasting, and cajoling, voicing hypocritical platitudes, and bribing voters with empty promises and spending sprees in search of Utopia was not the stuff of our Founding Fathers. McCain would benefit from a restoration of this practice but in the age of 24/7 cable news and Internet blogs this is not practical.

McCain must recognize that he has some substantial advantages, chiefly his opponent's weaknesses. Also, conservatives, though unhappy, will do the right thing for the country if only through a sense of duty. Further, experience and genuine heroism are good to have on your resume.

But McCain also must recognize the depth of conservative despondency. He will not win by giving his base a reason to stay home. Unlike liberals, conservatives have lives and interests outside politics that serve as outlets for the impulse to do good and improve the world. And they are angry and demoralized, make no mistake.

For many voters and activists, thirty years of hard work in the conservative fields has produced a bitter harvest of uncontrolled spending, judicial legislation, preposterous congressional pork barrel earmarks, uncontrolled borders, and arrogance.

McCain is in a fight against the manufactured illusions of "hope" and history.  He needs every vote he can manage. Before he once again decides to berate conservatives, propose liberal policies, befriend the political opposition and (why?) laud the Clintons, he should perhaps better find a nice photogenic porch. Sit on the porch. Do this and conservatives on November 5th will surely hold their noses and pull the lever for what is best for the country.


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Thin gruel, but I'll be holding my nose. God help us, please?
1 posted on 06/15/2008 12:57:10 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
who gives a sh#t?

3 a.m. and I just got off of work.

I'm one of the "rich" people that just don't deserve a tax break.

I'm so glad the democrats and the republicans know how to spend my money.

I can't make up my mind whether to vote for McCain or just sit at home and laugh my tail off for 3-4 years.

2 posted on 06/15/2008 1:07:13 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: neverdem

This country is being destroyed by over-regulation. I see no hope that McCain and his environmental band wagon will give us any relief on that score.


3 posted on 06/15/2008 1:09:05 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: marsh2
By refusing to drill ANWR or construct new energy production facilities, McPain is ensuring that Americans will pay upwards of 10 bucks for a gallon of gas.

Guaranteed.

4 posted on 06/15/2008 1:10:52 AM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: neverdem

On the comforting side, Sir Winston L S Churchill moved in that hazy middle-section between Labor and Conservative for much of his elected life, changed parties from Labor to Conservative, and then led a Conservative-Labor Coalition Government thru the Second World War.

He was the UK’s greatest Prime Minister ever (followed by Wellington and Marlborough IMO), and is usually held up as a fantastic Conservative model.

Just possibly McCain will do something similar. Nothing says that he has to stay the same as he already is. Churchill didn’t.


5 posted on 06/15/2008 1:12:36 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
I don't know how you can mention Churchill and that drek McCain in the same thousand paragraphs.
6 posted on 06/15/2008 1:21:45 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: DieHard the Hunter

If I may offer a small opinion, DieHard The Hunter; I do believe that history shows Sir Winston Churchill was opened minded enough to seek answers and solutions to whatever problem, situation he was working on.

On the other hand, history shows us that McCain is quite content with his agenda, his values, and his associates. There is very little hope that he will change at this stage of his life; nor will he leave his comfort zone.

America needs a leader for President.
It’s not McCain.
It’s not Obama.

That’s the gritty reality right now — and it’s not pretty.


7 posted on 06/15/2008 1:30:46 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Luke21

> I don’t know how you can mention Churchill and that drek McCain in the same thousand paragraphs.

And yet I did... deliberately.

Churchill wasn’t always the brilliant Prime Minister he is remembered for: he had a long political career that was mostly nondescript. And some of his work was truly bad.

The six years he was PM during WW-II tho’ — that was magic.


8 posted on 06/15/2008 2:01:45 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: neverdem
McCain is solid on two (alas, two) vital issues that make the difference; spending and judges.

Sadly, Gorebull Warming negates one of those vital issues, The Gangrene of 14 and McCain-Feingold negate the other.

9 posted on 06/15/2008 2:07:51 AM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: Cindy

> If I may offer a small opinion, DieHard The Hunter; I do believe that history shows Sir Winston Churchill was opened minded enough to seek answers and solutions to whatever problem, situation he was working on.

Sometimes, yes. But the Dardanelles campaign in WW-I was largely his doing, and it was a disaster, and he would not be persuaded that Turkey wasn’t “the soft underbelly of Europe” like he thought.

Gallipoli was the result — which is a tragic subject near and dear to the heart of every Kiwi and Ocker.

> America needs a leader for President.
> It’s not McCain.
> It’s not Obama.
>
> That’s the gritty reality right now — and it’s not pretty.

I humbly submit Ollie North / Curtis Sliwa as the *DieHard the Hunter* GOP Candidates of Choice, for President and Vice President, respectively. Before these two men, who could stand?


10 posted on 06/15/2008 2:09:33 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Ingtar

Look, if you want a reality check go visit the presidential forum of DU and see what the goals of those crazies are and how devoted they are to Obama — the man they feel will totally negate everything accomplished by conservatives since Reagan.

Voting for Obama, or not voting at all if you are a patriotic conservative ameks as much sense as putting a tatoo of Elton John on your rear end and dropping the soap in a prison shower. Some people would enjoy the results but most would not.


11 posted on 06/15/2008 2:13:21 AM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: Prole
"By refusing to drill ANWR or construct new energy production facilities, McPain is ensuring that Americans will pay upwards of 10 bucks for a gallon of gas. Guaranteed.

Then we'll just pay more for everything else as well.

Gas goes up, everything that it fuels goes up, wages as well. Oil is one of those things that the entire economy is built on. All increasing oil prices does is drive up inflation. Sooner or later, the price of everything will catch up, adjusting to the increased costs of oil/gas.

The profits made by sudden sharp oil price increases are only temporary, which just goes to prove we are being gouged by inside trading.

These oil caused inflationary cycles will only end when less and less of our economic output depends on oil. But no matter what energy sources industry switches to, smaller inflationary cycles will continue to be triggered by sudden increases of those energy supplies.

12 posted on 06/15/2008 2:24:27 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: DieHard the Hunter

It is a shame that Bush, who had the opportunity to be like Churchill, failed so miserably. Great start and then went down like an anchor. Churchill is the greatest man of the 20th century IMO.

We will see if McCain is up to the task. I doubt it sincerely but he will have his opportunity.

It won’t be due to my vote: I refuse to vote for him under any circumstance. However, I think he will defeat Obama and become the next CINC.


13 posted on 06/15/2008 2:25:32 AM PDT by wireplay
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To: neverdem
Obama lite? No thanks.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

14 posted on 06/15/2008 2:25:43 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem
So the question of the day is how can a candidate that turns off a large portion of his base, who will most certainly be put on the defensive by a biased media, who appears old and uncool to the great unlettered new generation of voters, succeed?

He cannot, and will not.

Also, conservatives, though unhappy, will do the right thing for the country if only through a sense of duty.

Whistling past the graveyard.

15 posted on 06/15/2008 2:27:09 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

The beauty of oil price increases is that there is now a massive pressure to find alternatives. Go alternative energy, go!


16 posted on 06/15/2008 2:27:56 AM PDT by wireplay
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Churchill was a great man, but he was already demonstrating his greatness in the years leading up to the war, warning against Hitler while serving as First Lord of the Admiralty.

McCain is a betrayer. He has no principles. Churchill wouldn’t have let England be swarmed under a flood of illegal immigrants. Again, terrible analogy.


17 posted on 06/15/2008 2:28:48 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: wireplay
Go alternative energy, go!

A waste of time and money. There is no alternative for the foreseeable future.

18 posted on 06/15/2008 2:32:26 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: neverdem; P-Marlowe

John McCain seems to enjoy saying things that set my conservative teeth on edge. As they suggest, these things demoralize. That which demoralizes also causes hesitation, procrastination, reconsideration.

That’s exactly what John McCain doesn’t want, but he seems hell-bent on getting it.

I think he wants to prove he can win without the conservatives by forming a coalition of lib/mod republicans + mod Democrats + mod independents.

He doesn’t want to be beholden to conservatives in any way shape or form. In terms of judgeships, that is scarey. John McCain will appoint what his experience in the Senate says will get through without much difficulty; i.e., “moderates.”


19 posted on 06/15/2008 2:42:39 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: neverdem
Same here.

Normally, by this time, I'm spending a regular work day, every day, working on my Presidential candidate's campaign. Making calls, going house-to-house, and anything else I can do to help. I'm doing for Senator Istook, but no Presidential work. I'll vote for McCain, but I can't, in honestly, work for a candidate I can't believe in.

I grew up in the country. A maverick is a heifer, steer, bull, or cow, that is too stupid to follow the rest of the herd. Somebody needs to inform the McCain campaign. I've already tried.

20 posted on 06/15/2008 2:44:17 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: Luke21

> Churchill wouldn’t have let England be swarmed under a flood of illegal immigrants.

He had his own moments of really arguable domestic performance — like the General Strike of 1926 and the Sidney St Seige and the Tonypandy Riot. And I’ve already mentioned the Dardanelles fiasco.

We don’t know what he would have done about the Mexican illegal alien situation because he was never put in that position.

We *do* know that he wasn’t the arch-Conservative Icon all of his political career that we’d like to think he was.

His performance during WW-II was certainly masterful. Before that, and after that, it was so-so, and sometimes pretty awful.

> Again, terrible analogy.

Time will tell. On McCain’s performance-to-date, it tracks along quite nicely with Churchill’s pre-WW-II performance. Both served, both were POWs, both had political careers, both straddled either side of Center, and both had wobbly bits that would infuriate the Conservatives...

...no, I’d say it’s a brilliant analogy. Could even prove to be Prophetic, depending on how McCain does if he is ever made POTUS.

You clearly disagree — I’d be curious to see how.


21 posted on 06/15/2008 2:45:37 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: marsh2
Everyone needs to mail or email the McCain campaign with their disgust of the algore speeches and McCain's other bonehead moves.

By golly, we may have to elect this turd but that does not mean we can't make his tenure as President a living Hell! He would do very well to remember that!

22 posted on 06/15/2008 2:49:12 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: Prole
Email his campaign and tell them exactly that. Let them know you're pissed. I have, every day for the last 2 weeks. If they get enough grief, they'll change it. They want your vote.
23 posted on 06/15/2008 2:51:50 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: neverdem
Each day, it seems, he appears to make a pronouncement, or suggest a policy, or chastise an enthusiastic supporter, in order to please the main-stream media and send conservatives off wailing and gnashing their teeth.

McCain should suspend his campaign

24 posted on 06/15/2008 2:53:02 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben, reports to Parris Island on June 30)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Particularly if we stay on his back about all his stupid moves.


25 posted on 06/15/2008 2:53:26 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: singfreedom
I'm afraid, very afraid! Not sarcasm!
26 posted on 06/15/2008 2:55:20 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Luke21

Churchill did well with WWII, but before that he sucked. Just ask the Irish; Churchill tormented those people and literally split the country in two. The sectarian strife, still prevalent today, can be laid right at his feet.


27 posted on 06/15/2008 2:55:34 AM PDT by tenthirteen
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To: neverdem
Wrong.

McCain will not appoint originalist judges(unless by accident)

And he's not good on spending either.

McCain promises billions in new spending

I could take the tax part seriously if he didn't believe in huge tax increases via cap and trade.

28 posted on 06/15/2008 2:55:38 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (All politics is judicial. Not local. Welcome to liberal america.)
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To: roamer_1

If you don’t seek you shall never find. there are lots of possibilities and high gas prices fuel the market (no pun intended).


29 posted on 06/15/2008 2:57:00 AM PDT by wireplay
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To: Ingtar

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2017610/posts


30 posted on 06/15/2008 2:58:06 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (All politics is judicial. Not local. Welcome to liberal america.)
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To: neverdem

He is also 99% better than gun grabbing Obama. Just wait till Obama is President with the MSM behind him touting gun control He will make Bill Clinton seem pro-2nd amendment.


31 posted on 06/15/2008 2:59:59 AM PDT by therut
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To: Luke21

^^^^^^^^^^McCain is a betrayer. He has no principles. Churchill wouldn’t have let England be swarmed under a flood of illegal immigrants. Again, terrible analogy.^^^^^^^^^^^

McCain isn’t just a bystander. He didn’t just stand by and watch it happen; let it happen.

McCain lead the charge so that the flood would increase.


32 posted on 06/15/2008 3:03:38 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (All politics is judicial. Not local. Welcome to liberal america.)
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To: xzins

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2017610/posts


33 posted on 06/15/2008 3:04:31 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (All politics is judicial. Not local. Welcome to liberal america.)
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To: neverdem
He will not win by giving his base a reason to stay home.

Another author makes the mistake of confusing conservatives with John McCain's "base". The Senator's base is the 80% liberal media, and he would have to "woo" conservatives much the same way he will have to "woo" independents.

34 posted on 06/15/2008 3:11:55 AM PDT by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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To: neverdem
Each day, it seems, he appears to make a pronouncement, or suggest a policy, or chastise an enthusiastic supporter, in order to please the main-stream media ...

A few months month back a local Cincinnati radio personality was asked to fire up the audience at a McPain rally, just prior to McPain showing up. Bill Cunningham, the radio personality, had the temerity to mention Obama’s middle name Hussein, as in Barak Hussein Obama. McPain upon learning of this from his buddies in the liberal MSM immediately condemned what Cunningham had said ... as Cunningham put it, McPain thru me under the bus ... the straight talk express bus, now known, I believe, as the 'no surrender' bus.

35 posted on 06/15/2008 3:12:40 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: neverdem
The party habit of selecting the next in line (e.g. Dole) has rarely produced such an unappealing candidate at such a critical time.

That sums it up.

36 posted on 06/15/2008 3:13:14 AM PDT by livius
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To: wireplay
If you don’t seek you shall never find. there are lots of possibilities and high gas prices fuel the market (no pun intended).

No, there are not 'lots of possibilities', there are nearly *none*. Nothing will take the place of petroleum products any time soon... at least for another generation.

37 posted on 06/15/2008 3:13:35 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

I LOVE your analogy and do pray, earnestly, that it will come to pass. You have given me some hope.


38 posted on 06/15/2008 3:17:00 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: neverdem

He picks MYTH for VP and nothing will keep me from staying home.


39 posted on 06/15/2008 3:22:54 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Coldwater Creek
I know, I am too, but we have to go forward. We can do that, we conservatives have done it before. We can do it again.

If McCain is elected, and I pray he is, we just have to let him know what we think. It is very hard for a President to ignore what the folks in his own party are telling him.

40 posted on 06/15/2008 3:27:55 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I can advocate a McCain ticket if he selects a conservative running mate. Most VP’s eventually go on to lead their party into a future election. That will be an indication that he wants the conservative vote. If he doesn’t do so, then the handwriting is on the wall.


41 posted on 06/15/2008 3:29:23 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Bushwacker777
not voting at all if you are a patriotic conservative

A McINsane/MYTH RINO ROMNEY ticket is better than the muslim exactly how?

The RINOs will not drill for oil

The RINOS will institute socialized medicine.

The RINOS SCOTUS nominees will not be confirmed.

The RINOS will do nothing about illegals

The RINOS will limit free speech (CFR and the Fairness Doctrine).

42 posted on 06/15/2008 3:31:11 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: wireplay
Don't even f*n go there! Are you a plant from DU?

We are STILL going to need oil for at least the next 10 years. It is stupidly lib to think that high gas prices will “modify” American behavior. It will, more likely spark another civil war.

Before you start celebrating, think of all those folks who have an old car, are on a fixed income, and cannot possibly afford the gas prices you are praying for. How short sightedly stupid!

43 posted on 06/15/2008 3:36:42 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: livius; neverdem

Our chances of a “kingdom” died when Washington refused the crown. These folks just need to get the Hell over it!


44 posted on 06/15/2008 3:39:42 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: neverdem

This morning I see McCain’s said it’s sometimes hard to be proud of America. Oh, really? Is he now whitewashing Mrs. Obama’s remarks? If so, he’s letting the MSM manipulate him. God help us, indeed.


45 posted on 06/15/2008 3:40:33 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Dick Vomer

N O T A


46 posted on 06/15/2008 3:40:53 AM PDT by wastoute
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To: singfreedom; wireplay

In my opinion, we need both. Lifting restrictions on drilling, coal mining, refining, nuke plant construction, etc. is one half of the equation. The oher half is offering tax credits for alternative energy research investment. Real simple.

We could be totally energy independent in a matter of a few years, plus provide the world with the next generation of energy production (and make a fat profit), if we’d just get our politicians off their asses.


47 posted on 06/15/2008 3:41:06 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, we're still retarded.)
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To: Rome2000

Now now, drink your KoolAid and quiet down over there.


48 posted on 06/15/2008 3:42:00 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, we're still retarded.)
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To: ovrtaxt; wireplay
You are absolutely right! We are going to have to consider lots of options—and that is going to take time. During that time we will NEED oil. I am all for alternatives, but I am a realist, we are still going to need our oil.

I'm shopping for solar panels for my house and, perhaps, even a wind turbine. To bad we can't harness all the hot air emanating from Washington, D.C.!

49 posted on 06/15/2008 3:51:21 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: Rome2000

> The RINOS will institute socialized medicine.

Socialized medicine ain’t so bad: I have lived in two countries now which have had it.

Canada has it, and it is compulsory and there is no “choice” to go private. That sucks, admittedly — but if you are acute, you will be treated irrespective of your personal circumstances. If you are chronic, you wait. Or you sneak across the border and seek treatment.

New Zealand has socialized medicine, too: it is compulsory, but there is also “choice” — you can also choose to have private coverage too. Many people do (I do). That system rocks! If you are acute, you will be treated irrespective of your personal circumstances. If you are chronic, you will be treated in the fullness of time. But if you have insurance, you can opt to be treated right away. The hospitals and doctors in both the public and private system are very good (often one and the same).

I have been an in-patient in both the public and private systems in New Zealand, both as an acute and as a chronic patient: both are very, very good by any world standard.

If you have to have Socialized Medicine, it can be done right: New Zealand’s system ain’t perfect, but it is very, very good.


50 posted on 06/15/2008 3:53:54 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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