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Oregon man wins Great American Think-Off (Immigration)
Associated Press ^ | Jun 15, 2008 | Unknown

Posted on 06/15/2008 2:52:13 PM PDT by decimon

NEW YORK MILLS — An Oregon man is the winner of this year's Great American Think-Off, a national philosophy competition that gives ordinary people the chance to debate some of life's perplexing questions.

This year's question: "Does immigration strengthen or threaten the United States?"

Craig Allen, of West Lynn, Ore., won a gold medal Saturday after a live audience in New York Mills decided he was most convincing when arguing that the system of immigration and immigration policy is broken. He says it encourages an influx of illegal immigrants and poses a threat to the country.

During the debate, the four Think-Off finalists touched on what it means to be an American and stressed that American identity is evolving.

The debate is held by the New York Mills Regional Cultural Center, a nonprofit organization dedicated to expanding the cultural and creative opportunities of rural Americans. New York Mills is a farming town of some 1,200 people in central Minnesota, about 170 miles northwest of Minneapolis.

The silver medal winner was Deana Cavaliere from Richfield, Minn., who argued that immigrants of diverse cultures have created a mix of ideas that makes America an innovative and wealthy country.

The other two finalists received bronze medals. Tom Bailey of Nashville, Tenn., argued that immigration strengthens the U.S., and Nick Thayer of St. Cloud, Minn., argued that it threatens the country.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; diversity; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration
Vox populi.
1 posted on 06/15/2008 2:52:13 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

What’s truly shocking is that this audience was in Oregon, a solid blue state. I can’t believe this guy wasn’t jailed for a hate crime. Maybe it’s politically correct to criticize immigrants now, since our savior, the great Hussein Obama, is being dissed by Hispanics. Hmm, I’m gonna have to start watching for this.


2 posted on 06/15/2008 3:00:32 PM PDT by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: decimon

Oregon? A gold medal to state the obvious?


3 posted on 06/15/2008 3:00:53 PM PDT by edcoil
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To: decimon

Illegal immigration threatens this country.


4 posted on 06/15/2008 3:05:19 PM PDT by wastedyears (Like a bat outta Hell.)
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To: jim35
What’s truly shocking is that this audience was in Oregon, a solid blue state.

Minnesota.

"The debate is held by the New York Mills Regional Cultural Center, a nonprofit organization dedicated to expanding the cultural and creative opportunities of rural Americans. New York Mills is a farming town of some 1,200 people in central Minnesota, about 170 miles northwest of Minneapolis."

5 posted on 06/15/2008 3:12:26 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

I’d like to see how the silver medal winner tried to prove that illegal immigration makes us wealthy. I guess he was talking about the unscrupulous business owners who profit from cheap labor. I myself don’t have a single extra jumping bean to show for it though.


6 posted on 06/15/2008 3:20:28 PM PDT by Bronzewound
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To: decimon

The New York Mills Regional Cultural Center is obviously a front for skinhead racists. Craig Allen’s white supremacist rant is a call for ethnic cleansing! This is GENOCIDE!!!!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!DIVERSITY IS A REQUIREMENT OF LIFE!!!! IF IMMIGRATION CEASES WE WILL ALL DIE OF CULTURAL STAGNATION!!!!


7 posted on 06/15/2008 3:32:21 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Hussein Obama for Caliph 2008!)
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To: decimon

What gets to me is that none of them use the word ILLEGAL in front of the word “immigrants”.

While I agree that the diversity of immigrants over the years had helped to strengthen America - because they became Americanized .. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS DO NOT ASSIMILATE - THEY CONGREGATE WITH ONLY THEIR OWN - making them suspicious of others and others of them.

Immigrants are fine .. they just need to be here legally.


8 posted on 06/15/2008 3:37:54 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Yon: "The U.S. military is the most respected institution in Iraq.")
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To: decimon
Oregon/Minnesota

Apples/Apples

9 posted on 06/15/2008 3:49:36 PM PDT by daler
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To: jim35

“I can’t believe this guy wasn’t jailed for a hate crime.”

Same here. Immigration broke down in the 60’s when the decision was made to let ANYBODY in regardless of qualification. The emphasis was being placed on quantity instead of quality of immigrant. What purpose did it serve to let people with a stone-age mentality in who have no desire or aptitude to become contributing American citizens but instead started to create their own ghettos.

Immigrants who came to this country in the early 1900’s later constituted the Greatest Generation. It is guaranteed that there won’t be a repeat of that accomplishment.


10 posted on 06/15/2008 3:53:03 PM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: MrBambaLaMamba

AND OF STARVATION SINCE NO ONE WILL PICK THE PRODUCE!


11 posted on 06/15/2008 3:53:36 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: decimon

That’s my hometown. :)

Anyway, the little sheet that they handed out which included the contestants’ essays and their bios... obviously they wrote it because it made him look like a scatter-brained, flighty doof.

The essay was pretty good, but I’ve read better arguments. Didn’t help that the question was flawed in the first place.


12 posted on 06/15/2008 5:16:34 PM PDT by swatbuznik
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To: swatbuznik
That’s my hometown.

New York Mills? How did you guys come to steal our mills? ;-)

13 posted on 06/15/2008 5:43:24 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
West Lynn, Ore.

Just FYI...AP gets it wrong, again. It's "West Linn."

14 posted on 06/15/2008 5:45:12 PM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: decimon

Steel mills?


15 posted on 06/15/2008 6:42:33 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: decimon

Someone should look it up and double-check, but it sounds like he was supporting a pro-amnesty position.

The “system” being “broken” is a stock talking point going back at least three years:

http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/003252.html

The solution offered by others is amnesty; whether that’s what the winning entry said isn’t known (since it was too long to read), but I wouldn’t be surprised.

If anyone wants to do something, confirm that online, then complain to the judges.


16 posted on 06/15/2008 8:23:44 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: 353FMG
Immigrants who came to this country in the 1900s worked or they went hungry. The plethora of social services available to illegal and legal immigrants to this country today is staggering. The Greatest Generation passed on their work ethic to their children. What will today's immigrants pass on?

re the article, "...he was most convincing when arguing that the system of immigration and immigration policy is broken. He says it encourages an influx of illegal immigrants and poses a threat to the country.", I could have told them that, and I am no genius.

17 posted on 06/16/2008 2:00:11 AM PDT by informavoracious (Freedom Isn't Free)
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To: wastedyears

Our immigration laws threaten our country. American companies hiring undocumented workers are threatening our country. Human are not illegal, what is illegal is hiring undocumented worker in the USA.
STOP hiring undocumented workers. Stop Modern Slavery!!!!


18 posted on 06/16/2008 9:18:50 AM PDT by aggq
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To: decimon

Finlanders are veeeery sneaky. ;)

(However, the actual mill was just torn down. So, we really can’t call ourselves that. I guess we’re the NEW New York.)


19 posted on 06/17/2008 11:50:55 AM PDT by swatbuznik
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To: Right Wing Assault
Steel mills?

No, wheat, corn, that sort of thing.
20 posted on 06/17/2008 11:52:53 AM PDT by swatbuznik
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To: swatbuznik

Oh, they didn’t steal steel mills. OK.


21 posted on 06/17/2008 3:14:41 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Right Wing Assault

*Smacks head* Do’h!


22 posted on 06/17/2008 4:25:50 PM PDT by swatbuznik
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