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Controversial vicar investigated after Anglican church's first gay 'wedding'
The Telegraph ^
| 6/15/2008
| Martin Beckford and Duncan Gardham
Posted on 06/15/2008 8:58:47 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: Nathan Zachary
“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniellet the reader understandthen let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.” (Matthew 24:15-16)
To: padre35
There was a guy, once upon a time, who was not afraid to clean out even the temple.
yitbos
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posted on
06/16/2008 12:00:28 AM PDT
by
bruinbirdman
("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
To: doc1019
I was an Anglican vicar, I am now a 'Grace Free Churcher'. What you say is true.
But the good Evangelicals in the denomination simply will not stand up and be counted - at least they will not leave. Will this be the last straw or will they draw another line in the sand? Don't hold your breath.
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posted on
06/16/2008 12:08:59 AM PDT
by
vimto
(To do the right thing you don't have to be intelligent - you have to be brave (Sasz))
To: bruinbirdman; sionnsar
Ah, when is St. Bart's going to be cleansed after this blasphemy?
But Dr Dudley, who describes himself as "robustly heterosexual," told the Daily Telegraph he was unworried by the investigation: "I am not bothered about the 'rules' because they are only guidelines.
I think he's right, that old rule about Thou shalt not kill is really only a guideline, you can kill if you don't like the person.
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posted on
06/16/2008 2:04:54 AM PDT
by
Cronos
("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
To: padre35
Archbishop of Canterbury...
You mean Rowan Atkinson? He's a fluffy headed birk. The AFrican bishops have far more authority. Africa will save Europe
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posted on
06/16/2008 2:08:40 AM PDT
by
Cronos
("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
To: lightman; Petronski
And God gave Moses the 10 Suggestions.
That's a good one :-0
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posted on
06/16/2008 2:09:16 AM PDT
by
Cronos
("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
To: vimto
I was an Anglican vicar, I am now a 'Grace Free Churcher'. What you say is true.
Interesting change -- would you mind if I ask you what brought you to the Grace Free Church as opposed to, say, the African traditional Anglican Churches?
disclaimer - I'm Catholic. I'm not looking for a debate, just to know more about my fellow Christians -- I'm sure your story would be interesting for all of us. God bless you.
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posted on
06/16/2008 2:22:56 AM PDT
by
Cronos
("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
To: Cronos
Good to hear from you - well I had hoped that a ‘reformed’ Anglican Church might come about with the Africans. But with forces like the much respected John Stott (and I do respect him) calling for unity the evangelicals couldn't get it together.
I still love the Anglican church and still respect it's believing ministers and remain convinced that I am a true Anglican, supporting the 39 Articles and taking my ordination vows very seriously. But the church had ‘moved on’.
To have come under African alternative Episcopal oversight would have put me under even greater pressure, and my parish would not have taken it lightly.
When I left, a churchplant asked if I would continue to minister to them and I agreed. They had left the Anglican Church as they felt unsupported. So I do secular work and minister part time. It is a delight and I feel like a weight has been lifted from my back.
So I really don't feel like bashing Anglicanism - but it's inability to hold the faith sure and steady is a cause for sorrow. Liberalism rots the soul.
BTW Rowan Williams was my Bishop. Liberal as they come - but also a very kind gentleman.
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posted on
06/16/2008 2:43:27 AM PDT
by
vimto
(To do the right thing you don't have to be intelligent - you have to be brave (Sasz))
To: doc1019
“....one can become vicar without knowing the Bible.”
knowing the Bible and living the Bible are two different things. The vicar knows the Bible well, he just does not abide with it’s teachings. That, of course, makes the case much worse.
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posted on
06/16/2008 5:36:16 AM PDT
by
elpadre
(nation)
To: Arthur McGowan
Reminds me of a cartoon I saw in Punch just a couple of years ago. Two presumably “conservative” Anglicans are standing at the back of their church, with aghast looks on their faces, as nearly-naked women carry flaming torches to the altar to burn a pile of, apparently, small children. The one conservative turns to the other and says, “If they continue to push the limits of decency like this, I swear, I’m leaving the church.”
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posted on
06/16/2008 6:22:14 AM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
(God bless you.)
To: vimto
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posted on
06/16/2008 7:55:20 AM PDT
by
Cronos
("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
To: ahadams2; jpr_fire2gold; Tennessee Nana; QBFimi; Tailback; MBWilliams; showme_the_Glory; ...
Thanks to
Cronos for the ping.
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posted on
06/16/2008 8:15:35 AM PDT
by
sionnsar
(trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
To: vimto
I’m sure Atkins is a perfect gentlemen and a kind man vimto, and that is the rub, it’s not that those folks are monsters, they just aren’t Christians and holding offices in a Church while not practicing our Faith is a non sequitor.
BTW, what a great story about your working and still ministering, that is how Christianity changes people’s lives.
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posted on
06/16/2008 11:08:08 AM PDT
by
padre35
(Conservative in Exile/ Obamao v Mad Jon, win the battle and lose the war..choice of evils be..)
To: padre35
I was once commenting to a friend on how nice all the liberal ministers I was acquainted with were. I was puzzled.
He said gently, “Of course they are ‘nice’ - niceness is all they have got!”
There will (I say without any joy) be many ‘nice’ people in hell.
PS I take it from your screen name that you are a padre...are you still serving?
warm regards!
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posted on
06/17/2008 2:19:59 AM PDT
by
vimto
(To do the right thing you don't have to be intelligent - you have to be brave (Sasz))
To: Cronos
“Ah, when is St. Bart’s going to be cleansed after this blasphemy?”
You are right, the church has been defiled. No Christian can enter it now.
The Orthodox would burn the church down and start over.
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