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Patrick J. Buchanan—Pseudo-Historian, Very Real Dissimulator
Pajamasmedia.com ^ | June 13th, 2008 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 06/16/2008 6:03:17 AM PDT by PurpleMan

"In dealing with Mr. Buchanan, one must accept at the beginning two caveats. First, as is his style, he will always resort to ad hominem attacks in lieu of an argument."

"[I} was appalled by his absence of logic..."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Germany; Israel; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bookreview; coughlinjunior; fino; franzliebkind; germany; idiotsonfr; israel; mullahpat; patbuchanan; pitchforkpat; revisionistnonsense; russia; troll; unitedkingdom; unnecessarywar; vdh; victordavishanson
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To: Dukes Travels

Buchanan has turned into being irrelevant.


21 posted on 06/16/2008 7:17:02 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Obama is a post turtle)
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To: PurpleMan

I hit the clicker when Buchanan comes on. He hollers like he’s out in the yard flipping steaks. About as thoughtful, too.


22 posted on 06/16/2008 7:23:54 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Teach your child to be an American. Take him out of public school.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

One of the great things about Rush is that he is civil 97.9% of the time. Is that not a path to success?

Following that, would you deny that a lot of the posts on the “Wall to Wall Russert on Morning Shows” and “Tim Russert’s Testimony Sent Scooter Libby To Jail” were ad hominem attacks and illogical arguments? Not all, but there sure were a lot.

I don’t “make it a habit” but standing by while people take this forum and use Kos-ite/DU- style attacks tends to bother me.

Sarcasm, exaggeration and hyperbole are all common methods of making points but you must agree that to say there is something seemingly pathologically wrong with people when they say in regards to Russert’s death (and within hours of the announcement) “Didn’t like Russert at all. What’s with FReepers sudden adoration of people like Paul Newman, Tim Russert, even Ted Kennedy in his illness? Sheesh. Conservatives are off their rocker.” Or “Russert was the master of subtlety when it came to furthering the DNC agenda... and questioning GOP motives.” Or, “I always thought of him as a typical Drive By Media - DNC mouthpiece.” And, my personal favorite: “Anyone who watched him knew he was a Leftist propagandist about 90% of the time.”

If I’m reading this stuff, how wonderful would it be if Obermann, Mathews, Blitzer, Combs and Co. began to read this crap on the air?

BTW: The “15 posts and no prayers” was a true observation. It was on of those things that makes me go “Hmmmm?”


23 posted on 06/16/2008 7:30:42 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: PurpleMan
Thanks for the reply.

I see, you make “true observations” while others are dirty about it.

Personally, I thought it was a new low to bash people in a tragic thread because no one happened to post your required prayer, especially when people are trying to deal with perhaps the shock of the flaming images they were looking at or simply are not the prayer type person.

I noticed prior to that thread your readiness to criticize other FReepers and when I saw your instinct to attack FReepers for a prayer rather then just post one yourself it became memorable.

That's why now I notice this new en mass attack, using an article about Buchanan and turning it into an attack on FReepers in threads about Russert. Excuse me but that is really bending over backwards to get an attack in, excuse me again... I mean a “true observation”.

Democrats are blue, Republicans are red, you are purple. Do you spend equal time on DU with “true observations” against Democrats? Or did you think you can keep at it and no one here would notice?

24 posted on 06/16/2008 7:53:07 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Vote For McCain But Trust In The Lord.)
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To: PurpleMan; All
And, yes, it does indeed serve to lessen the enormous sacrifices that American and British soldiers endured to stop a monstrosity like National Socialism...

Why hasn't Hanson mentioned the enormous sacrifices of the Russians and Soviets of which the American and British losses pale in comparison? This is par for the course in the lexicon of the neocons. You see, the Russkies are on the outs because of their dealings with Iran AND for trying to recover some of their national wealth which was looted by the oligarchs who share, let us say, certain similarities with the founders of the neocon movement.

25 posted on 06/16/2008 7:53:40 AM PDT by trane250
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To: PurpleMan
Interesting post.

You wanna repost and do it like every other FReeper around here and start and the beginning of the article instead of playing editor.

26 posted on 06/16/2008 7:58:50 AM PDT by BGHater ("Save water, shower with a friend")
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To: Army Air Corps

Ping to self.


27 posted on 06/16/2008 8:04:19 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: trane250
Why hasn't Hanson mentioned the enormous sacrifices of the Russians and Soviets of which the American and British losses pale in comparison? This is par for the course in the lexicon of the neocons.

Always helps to read something in its entirety before yowling about "neocons":

And while the Soviet government was a vile and evil entity, millions of Red Army soldiers were not communists, but brave patriots who did much to stop the Wehrmacht, and, yes, by their efforts did save allied lives. Again, they fought for a horrendous government, but the motivation for many was not global communism or Comrade Stalin who had butchered millions of their families and friends, but to rid German soldiers from the soil of Mother Russia.

28 posted on 06/16/2008 8:04:26 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: ken21
But probably not the kind of shower Buchanan would like many to take. ;)

I hear Buchanan lost a relative at Auschwitz; he fell out of the guard tower.

What a simp that guy is.

29 posted on 06/16/2008 8:10:08 AM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: Mr. Jazzy
...they are like two trains on the same circular track, one following the other, trying to reach the same station.

I have long argued that Left-Right on a straight line is the wrong way to illustrate or view political ideologies. The diagram should be a circle, which would put totalitarians opposite anarchists, and 'middle of the road" liberals opposite "middle of the road" conservatives.

Imagine the 3 6 9 and 12 spots on a clock.

30 posted on 06/16/2008 8:15:14 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: PurpleMan

Pat biggest mistake of all... to engage in a battle of wits with VDH. LMAO!


31 posted on 06/16/2008 8:15:32 AM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: trane250

Why hasn’t Hanson mentioned the enormous sacrifices of the Russians and Soviets of which the American and British losses pale in comparison?

$$$$$

In this article, Hanson did refer to the sacrifices of Russians who fought to keep Germans off of their sovereign territroy.


32 posted on 06/16/2008 8:19:15 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“Buchanan is not and was never a conservative. What Pi**es me off is many in the MSM consider his opinions conservative.”

Buchywheat is not a conservative. He is a paid actor, paid by the media to pretend to be a conservative.

His fellow mediots know/knew that he wasn’t and isn’t a conservative.

His paychecks for decades have come from the MSM paying him for acting like an “evil conservative”!


33 posted on 06/16/2008 8:19:45 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Kerry was a Uber Liberal, Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas makes Kerry look like Jesse Helms!)
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To: trane250

Why hasn’t Hanson mentioned the enormous sacrifices of the Russians and Soviets of which the American and British losses pale in comparison?

$$$$$

In this article, Hanson did refer to the sacrifices of Russians who fought to keep Germans off of their sovereign territory.


34 posted on 06/16/2008 8:20:00 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: PurpleMan

Uhm, typing “prayers going up” is not the same as praying!


35 posted on 06/16/2008 8:29:40 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Are you ready to pray for Teddy?)
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To: PzLdr
Hate to rain on the parade, and NO, I'm not defending Buchanan. BUT, when VDH says Britain went to war with Germany because Germany had systematically violated Versailles, etc, he's wrong.

The British went to war over Poland. They had guaranteed Poland's independence against any [read German] aggression. If one reads the history, you will note Britain gave Germany something like 12 hours to cease military operations and withdraw from Poland, after which time, if Germany did not, a state of war would exist between the two countries. Poland was the casus belli.

Umm... no.

VDH is right and you missed the point. Why did Britain take the step of assuring Poland its independence? Precisely because of Germany's systematic violations of Versailles. Poland is where Britain drew the line in the sand "so to speak".

Had Germany not violated the treaty, Britain would not have felt the need to make that guarantee. As for Russia's participation, it was simply following Germany's lead and would not, at that time, have considered invading Poland independently.

Point, VDH.

36 posted on 06/16/2008 8:29:40 AM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: PsyOp

I didn’t miss the point. VDH’s ASSUMPTION is probably correct. But the FACT is the British gave as their SOLE reason for going to war the German invasion of Poland. And if Hanson can [rightly] challenge Buchanan’s factual errors [as well as Buchanan’s asuumptions], I can feel free to point out his.


37 posted on 06/16/2008 8:37:51 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: maica
Why hasn’t Hanson mentioned the enormous sacrifices of the Russians and Soviets of which the American and British losses pale in comparison?

Well, when one considers that Stalin is largely responsible for allowing the Germans to rearm and train its armies in secret during the inter-war period; his participation in the dismemberment of Poland; and his imposition of totalitarian rule on the territories "liberated" from the Nazis later on... its hard to have much sympathy...

The Russian people made great sacrifices as a direct result of the misguided policies of its own government. Before, during and after. Hoisted by their own petard, as it were.

38 posted on 06/16/2008 8:41:02 AM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: trane250
which was looted by the oligarchs who share, let us say, certain similarities with the founders of the neocon movement


What are those "certain similarities?" Why are you being evasive?
39 posted on 06/16/2008 8:42:33 AM PDT by macamadamia
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To: macamadamia

It’s the Jooos!


40 posted on 06/16/2008 8:44:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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